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  1. VOR Leg 8 Itajaí to Newport

    Sophie had an operation on her elbow during the Auckland stopover. It has been decided, by her I think, that she needs a bit of time for it to get better after the last leg. Not a bad leg for them to choose to go light.
  2. VOR Leg 8 Itajaí to Newport

    I am biased, but the leg results for TTTOP have been 7,7,6,6,5,4 in that order. More to the point the 5 was when they were within 28 minutes of the leg winners. So my hopes are for a good result. Vestas looked really slow on the water yesterday, understandable given the new rig and sails, but not a good omen for them (in their favour it will be light for the first few days so they will get a chance to bed in). This would bring me onto the lack of penalty points for failing to start a leg...but that is another conversation, and I have already had a rant at the Race Director (deaf ears). Mapfre, DFRT and Akzo would be my podium. Brunel seem to be making silly mistakes, from failing to get their A3 on the lock in the practice, holing the 65 with the RIB during parking, to the bad unfurl on the In Port. SHKS would obviously be a fan favourite for a good result, but it would be a massive ask for that to happen.
  3. VOR Leg 8 Itajaí to Newport

    So, our Shore Tech Team Manager saw a dog being abandoned. We checked if it really had just been dumped, adopted it, cleaned it up, de-ticked and de-flead him, and he has become the team mascot, named him Snoop...so we changed our team song to Snoop Dogg... the boys on the shore team take turns to look after him. We have also found a nice home for him when we leave, but for the moment he is our good luck charm.
  4. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    I have seen a masthead aerial lose a MOB AIS signal at 2nm...in a 1m swell. I am not convinced that even the main aerial in full working order would have got a good signal in the conditions at the time. That said, there should still be a spare aerial on the scan strut IMHO. On the flip side, too many people rely on AIS, assuming it is infallible for spotting vessels. It may not be your AIS that has an issue, or another vessel may not even HAVE AIS. It just should not be relied upon.
  5. VOR Leg 8 Itajaí to Newport

    No teams at the dock for another 20-30 minutes at least. Rumours of potential postponement, but breeze is 8 ish kts at the moment.
  6. VOR Leg 8 Itajaí to Newport

    nope, everyone gets what I was saying. @Elisa has the right conclusion. As Jack said, sometimes people don't gel. It is not a reflection on Annie's ability.
  7. VOR Leg 8 Itajaí to Newport

    She was never going to return, Brunel just claimed that she was still injured so that they did not have to answer any difficult questions. Basically some of the sailors just decided they preferred someone else.
  8. Next VOR on IMOCAs?

    Yes, but quite common, well occasionally it happens that a new IMOCA is sold prior to the VG start, based on return condition of course. You are right, big risk for the VOR team, but potentially big returns and savings.
  9. Oh go and play with randumb.
  10. Next VOR on IMOCAs?

    Think about it differently. How about finishing the VG knowing that you can offset some of your costs because your boat is already chartered/sold for a VOR. Admittedly this is only going to work for a few of the entries. Then I guess Alex will be one of the skippers aiming at a VOR. Can't think who else. Gitana maybe, but they are not currently looking at the VG.
  11. Next VOR on IMOCAs?

    VOR have said that they will not fund any new boats, not sure if they have said this publicly or not, but I can understand why. Whether IMOCA is the right route to go down or not I am unsure, but it will certainly open up some interesting design discussions. The Vendee will hopefully benefit from VOR involvement; currently there are fewer new boats and more 'corinthian' entries than there has been for a very long time. Maybe the benefits will not be seen in 2020, but in 24. You need to be commissioning designs now if you want a new boat ready for the 2020 startline, so VOR is not going to help that. @jack_sparrow the core sheer is not the boats shitting themselves any more than they did last race. In fact it has been less of an issue so far by comparison to the last edition. SCA had this issue prior to the start last time. Gilles is absolutely right about the budget difference, Vg campaigns at the very top end are close to the very cheapest VOR budget. Number of shore team and stopovers...
  12. Next VOR on IMOCAs?

    Not if you are Little Chay, he thinks you should only enter if you have a chance of winning...
  13. Next VOR on IMOCAs?

    Teams, VOR and one or two sponsors have been trying to get events going (either existing or new) between races since the early 90s and have never managed it. RTW from China was mooted by MT on alternate cycles to a European start, to avoid the leg north. Also a China Series between VOR cycles. Again, not getting off the ground. Bouwe chartered the 65 to take to the Caribbean and do events to keep interest going, but the boat was fucked by the end of it without enough budget for maintenance. Without VOR doing the refit it would not have been fit for the race. The honest truth is that there is no magic bullet, but it would take a VERY brave CEO to suggest going for a significantly more expensive option, ie a new box rule, or run what you bring.
  14. Steve's comment is perhaps one of the most stupid things I have ever read on here...but then I do have DL and Randumb on ignore. Bloody hilarious.
  15. Next VOR on IMOCAs?

    So the chances are that an IMOCA 60 with 4to 6 crew plus associated food, water and safety gear is actually going to be slower than the current 65s.