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  1. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    Sorry, but none of that is because of TTTOP. VOR may have said they could not, but the team had nothing to do with it, whatever the vendors said.
  2. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    Well the couple of crew members on TTTOP have been through training with the UNEP Ocean Observation Group scientists that built and tested the machine. The water is collected at one spot, filtered over a couple of days and then the filters are changed. They are then taken off the boat and given to the scientists at each stopover. UNEP have been very happy to get the results, in some cases it has been for confirmation, and in others entirely new data. I can guarantee that if it was not proving useful to the UNEP then it would be thrown off the boats pretty quickly.
  3. Vestas 11th Hour recovery

    My guess would be they don't report because one of the partners has expensive US lawyers involved. Decision to do all of this is the teams rather than VOR. Though no doubt Coxy is facilitating a lot of it.
  4. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    With regards to the comments on losing interest. I actually had a conversation with a few of the VOR staff who were worried about the same thing. Having been in HK and China, the mainland stopover was a complete pain in the arse for me. I was trying to do my day job with massively reduced comms, and it was extremely frustrating. VPNs were struggling and email was not working easily. All of that said, for Volvo and Dongfeng it was obviously massively important, and you could see how hard they were working to make it a commercial success. Perhaps more importantly for me, I went to a UN environment seminar on Ocean Health, whilst stood with my back to one of the top 10 Ocean polluting rivers in the world. The lead Chinese scientists were absolute advocates for finding solutions, and understood the difficult political battles they would have. The lead UN representative admitted that it would not have been possible to have the seminar put together so quickly without having an event as big as the VOR in town. So, was it a pain in the arse, yes; was the venue impressive... In an empty, new build waiting to be filled, kind of way. Did it help the race from a sporting perspective, not in any way that I could see. Did it do more for the future funding of the race than any other stopover.... Quite possibly. Did it do good for the good of our playground... In a small way, very definitely. In balance, we lost a bit of the sporting integrity, but overall I think we, as fans, probably gained. We just don't know it...and that comes down to VORs comms.
  5. Oyster Yachts gone bust

    Same thing for Baltic. Everything they went through to build and warranty Hetairus sent them under, they were lucky that one of their owners a) wanted a new boat from them, and b ) has a company that requires a lot of composite work. So he bought Baltic, and sent them a load of work to keep going between projects. Very few big project yards are safe, that is why they have to have a full order book; otherwise they are sunk.
  6. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    So in other words, the one person you know is okay, but you still think the others are not. Dick. Ignore on.
  7. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    Not so sure about the others? But you feel happy to disparage their professional abilities. That is literally the definition of a troll, and an ignorant one at that.
  8. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    Which just shows that you know nothing about the navigators. Take four, Capey, Villa, Salter and Thompson, they were all navigating offshore when GPS units were still too big for most yachts. Libby is a qualified meteorologist, as well as a navigator. The fact that they are always shown at the chart table does not mean they are always there. That is just an OBR giving context. If you have been following this leg then you will know that the weather models are not very accurate at the moment, so do you think the Navigators are just relying on their computers? Well, obviously not, if the models are not good. Can any of them do Antigua week with a hand bearing compass? I have no idea, but if I can, then I don't see why more talented and experienced people than me should not be able to. Your disparaging comments just show your ignorance, not theirs.
  9. Vestas 11th Hour recovery

    Tauranga is where most yachts I know of have been shipped in and out of NZ. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think it is the biggest /busiest container port, so would be the quickest way of getting the boat into the country. No idea which years they are going to, but I imagine that most of the work will be run by Persico.
  10. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    1305 today
  11. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    Well... They have done significantly less miles...
  12. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    Not actually camera folk anymore. Now it is a VIP spot. The OBRs are doing the camera work, and now stay aboard. The jumpers are CEOs or Celebs now.
  13. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Pushpit - Would not solve the problem of seeing past the sails. Masthead - Weight would be an argument against, but you could counter with the One Design argument. I actually think the biggest issue would be the shaking and movement that occurs at the masthead. A little like the concept of looking for objects in the water, or for icebergs. By the time you see anything it will probably be too late. Some of the teams do have handheld night vision monoculars, but they are more for confirming a sighting than a constant lookout. The batteries do not last long enough for constant use. I am sure the technology will get there, but then like AIS, it relies upon people to use it...
  14. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    They really don't. The marinised, waterproofed cameras last less than a week up there. In fact, I think they have given up on them.