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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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  1. Looking at their système here, you got that right blunted. The backstay is a simple loop with clutches and lots of purchase. But they seem to have changed their forestay arrangement this time around. From what I have managed to see, they now simply have fixed forestays. But they are made from thin dyneema, I guess to allow more stretch when the wing goes from one side to the other. Mast compression sensor was displaying 1500 (kg?) when they were tentioning the whole thing this morning. They do it with the wing canted over to the opposite side.
  2. Sounds like you've figured out a really neat C-class design... I certainly look forward to seeing it on the starting line in 2017.
  3. You just need to look at the number of brand new boat to figure that one out! No way we would have the means to copy GA... As for the discussion on the class I fully agree with Dave and Magnus! I don't think the class needs to justify its existence or save sailing as a sport. As long as it remains a class where people are free to experiment and use their imagination and as long as it remains a place to share and exchange the class will live on!
  4. Thanks Norm. Shame you guys aren't here! Will keep the thread alive as and when something happens. Right now not much else to do than bird watching;)
  5. You have to go to the Hydros page and use the link for day 2... Otherwise you will look at a replay yes! No racing as of yet... No wind. They were expecting some about now but still nothing. Not a single flag moving here... Big contrast to today. All teams still out on the water.
  6. Blunted you are correct. They spent the week testing different foil. I saw the boat coming in with a port foil that looked like the one they are using to race and a storyboard one that was about a foot longer in span (uptip part). I believe they have tested 3 or 4 different foil designs... In all cases they were going blisteringly fast. Though what impressed me the most today was their gybing angles... VMG must have been insane! It's like the thing is generating it's own wind! That would be correct. See the endless DDW faster than TWS videos. They ARE in fact creating their own wind. AWS > TWS by quite a bit. Yes I understand that. It's pretty simple. But still looking at the angles they manage to go downwind at and still achieve those crazy speeds. it's totally insane. The apparent must be so close from being straight in front of them... A couple of days ago I saw another boat going what looked like straight downwind, barn door fully opened. Groupama flew past them, maybe 10 degrees off of them at most, going probably 30kts. I guess with so little stuff in the water the drag is super low. Maybe it was just an optical illusion from where I was sitting:S It's certainly going to take a lot of work to beat them!
  7. Blunted you are correct. They spent the week testing different foil. I saw the boat coming in with a port foil that looked like the one they are using to race and a starboard one that was about a foot longer in span (uptip part). I believe they have tested 3 or 4 different foil designs... In all cases they were going blisteringly fast. Though what impressed me the most today was their gybing angles... VMG must have been insane! It's like the thing is generating it's own wind!
  8. I don't think they use a wand-looks like uptip foils to me: http://www.norgador.com/ IMG_1851.jpg Here's a pic of them sailing today. it's like a moth, controlled by two wands and I suspect that the entire foil moves. Yes that's correct they have a very long wand (i guess to générateur enough hinge moment) to move the entité foil AoA. I think they also have a setup so that when they lift the windward foil, the want gets held in the il position so as to not create any drag. According to Jean-Pierre (helm), foiling upwind was very easy today but downwind they were struggling... My intuition (without looking at it in détails or putting too much thought into it) is that at higher speed the système is struggling and the réponse time is too low to work. I have heard some comment as well saying at times the wand gets submerged or creates enough of a wake that it doesn't feel the ride height well enough. Hard to tell really!
  9. Well a pretty hard day in the office and a lot of carnage. We have some cracked rib. Maybe some small damage to the hull while recovering the boat. Nothing that can't be fixed for tomorrow. But lack of volume in the hulls and the weight of the boat is definitely a problem in those conditions. Not much we can do about this now... Norgador lost the E3 film cover. Not sure about Gstaad's status Sentient Blue is repairing their leading edge. Nothing major though. Steve unfortunately capsized and destroyed his E3. Looks like its the end for them. Extremely sad to hear:(
  10. Gstaad did not start because of broken rudder. Sentient blue retired with cracked E1 leadind edge. Rafale had a few issues with a loose foil Trying to fix that before next start. Gstaad has left the dock again...
  11. So this is it! 2 years of work, many long days and sometimes nights, over 30,000 manhours of work and it's come down to this. First day of racing. Are we ready? No C class team ever is! But everyone in the team is upbeat and very proud of what we have achieved. We have achieved our objective. Anything that happens now is a bonus. We've just launched the boat and sent Marc and Trevor for a last practice before the race starts in an hour or so. With all the preparation work, and the long days, I haven't had much time to think about the racing. The focus has been on doing our best to improve the boat and optimise what we can. But this is all about to change. But if I look at where we are now, I struggle to believe that team Rafale ETS is the same team that arrived in Geneva 10 days ago... The team has grown up exponentially in ways that I would have never imagined. If bringing a full new boat to the regatta was already a feat. Being able to run the campaign over here away from our workshop and with no wiggle room on our schedule was always gonna be a much bigger challenge. Still the team has stood up and answered the call. We've kept our heads down, tackled all the challenges one by one and it's paid off. We have had little time on the water but from what we have seen the performance is not that far off. Rafale is a decent C-Class. Friday we went out in puffy conditions for only the second time in Geneva, eager to find out if all our hard work from the previous days had paid off. And boy it did. after a few scary moments ("need new underwear" type of scary!), Marc and Trevor managed to find some good modes for foiling. Result of the day: a top speed of 26.7kts (25kts sustained), on a broad reach. Not earth shattering but a quantum leap for us (previous top speed was 13kts in 7kts true). Still to quote Steve this was "gentlemanly fast"! Unfortunately our day was cut short as we broke our boom box on the main element (Element 1 is what we call it). That was disappointing but in a way we would rather find this kind of weakness now rather than during the race! So it was useful. The breakage was also a way of testing our secret weapon: a big shore team! What the team lacks in experience and budget it makes up in manpower and I truly think this is a huge (and enviable) asset! We've come here with 15 team members. But that's only the tip of the iceberg. Half the team is French... So friends and families have come down to lend a hand where they can (They deserve a big shout for their support actually!!!) The little Cup is often a war of attrition. C Class cats aren't bullet proof trucks that can survive the Canadian winter... They are optimised high performance machines. So stuff breaks. It's unavoidable. To reuse Steve Clark's often repeated mantra "if it doesn't break then its not optimised enough". So having the resources to pull all nighters and have the depth in the team to run the show the next day will help a lot! I have refrained from sizing up the opposition (other than staring at the green missile in disbelief) but there is an interesting dynamics between the different teams. The spectrum of performance of all the boats is quite wide and is very dependent of the conditions. Everyone has had similar amount of time on the water, at least while over here. The archimedian boats seem really fast the light stuff and the foilers in the opposite. I guess that is the norm. We saw Sentient Blue and GStaad lining up a few days back and it was definitely not clear cut which was better in average conditions. So this will be an interesting mix. In the end it is hard to place Rafale on this scale. In the right conditions we can definitely be in the middle of all that. All the boat (maybe except Groupama) have some potential reliability issue. Though Cogito and Sentient Blue are probably better off, with well proven machinary that has been through a few C-Class campaign! I think our best option will be to just try to steer clear of trouble and make it around the course. Not long to wait now. Thanks to all our supporters and sponsors for helping us making it through! Godspeed Rafale!
  12. This thread has been slow the past few days, while everyone is getting ready for the event... So we're well overdue an update from the paddock side of the LittleCup... I'll get things started with an update from Rafale. So far it's been a lot of very long days leaving our house at the crack of dawn, to avoid the Geneva traffic, and leaving SNG well past sunset most days! But it's been a real blast for everyone in the team. It has also been fun reconnecting with old friends and making new ones... Personally I have been humbled by the welcome we have received from the Hydros foundation team, the people at SNG and all the other competitors. It reminded me again why I love this class so much and why I keep wanting to get back into it despite the stupendous effort it takes to get there... The fact that one of the foil specialist from the Groupama team took time out of his busy day to come and see us, give us some advice and lend us some of their equipment to improve our foils is a testament to the spirit of the class that unites us. The buzz around the Little Cup village definitely helps getting through the day. Everyone is helping everyone and sharing tools, exchanging advice, knowledge or even helping each other launch and retrieve the boats. But our arrival here has also been the time for a serious reality check! It took us a couple of days to prep Rafale for our first day out... There was still a big job list left from our last sail in Montreal. Yesterday we spent 4 hours on the water in light wind. Upwind performance looked not too bad. But Marc and Trevor were really struggling to find the right mode downwind. We learnt a lot from out first sail though and clearly we still had a lot of work to do!!! Then came our second reality check in the form of Franck Cammas' green missile. There is no other word for it! I don't think I've ever seen a C class going this fast, let alone in this kind of wind conditions. I admit it was a bit demoralising for everyone, I think especially for our sailing team. But that only lasted for a short while. As usual the team picked itself up and carried on. Today as every other team went out in even lighter conditions we focused on improving the boat. As I write this, back at HQ, I feel quite confident we have made some drastic improvements. We completed most of our rework on the hydrofoils and rudders, reviewed our control system, changed the setup of our element 2 morphing tab and cleaned up the rest of the wing aero. The latter 2 items should drastically increase our downwind performance. There has been little time to look at other boats and gauge the competition. Still there are lots of interesting designs and ideas. I will have to try and post some pics of some of these. Team Norgador has some nice improvements to the Hydros boat they are chartering. They have bigger version of a moth ride height control that looks pretty neat. And I do like their end plate. It's really clever! This would have my vote vs. End-plating to the tramp... These guys deserve a lot of credit for putting this effort together is such a short period and with such limited resources! Sentient Blue / former Alpha is looking as good as ever in the hands of its new team. Will be interesting to see how they fare if the conditions are light! Cogito looks nice too in the Axon racing paddock. Iast time I saw her wing, it was in bits on the NYYC lawn after the Steve's unfortunate capzise. But she looks great now with the wing rebuilt! What an amazing piece of C class history! Who knows how the team's local knowledge will play out. I haven't had a chance to look at Steve's boat in details yet. I'm very intrigued to find out the details of their setup. It's exciting to see something radical pop up! As for Groupama, well their deck looks more like a fighter jet cockpit than a C-Class! I've never seen so many control lines and indicators in such a small space! I hope Franck likes spaghetti!!! I kind of wonder whether they will be rigging missile pods on the wing tomorrow or canons on their foils!!! More seriously though they are clearly not taking things for granted and they have been working as much as everyone else to prepare their boat. I've seen a few different foils being tested back to back... The last team, Team Gstaad yacht Club has been a bit conspicuous by their absence... Their tent is being used as the scrutineering bay so no space for them yet. But I kind of wonder whether they will arrive with some surprise tech on their Hydros boat... Anyway this is going to be a fun race comes Monday! In the meantime we have a lot of work to get Rafale ready! Hopefully tomorrow we can line up with some of the other boats to see how our improvements look... Juls
  13. Thanks Steve for the birds-eye-view update! Sounds like everyone is busy finishing bits and pieces. And yes we (i.e. "les Quebecois") are racing to the race! It looks like we will be the last ones on the water. Having said that, my joker is that we are the only team to have built a entirely new boat, from scratch:-) Anyway I can give a fresh update from Montreal. Our hulls are in the last stage of fabrication, i.e. just adding the daggerboard cases. Plateform assembly should be well advanced by the end of the week, depending on a few missing bits and pieces... A prototype set of our hydrofoils has been tested by the Mystere Composites team on their Espadon Air Design 20ft catamaran. Results have been very encouraging with some good speed and stability. Our set of foils and rudders are being built as we speak by the Mystere team. The wing is also at an advanced stage of completion. The front element is 90% complete. The flap / rear element is 60% or 70% complete. Most of the wing assembly should be complete by next weekend. We are on track to be hitting the water on the weekend of July 4th and 5th. We should have 1 months testing and debugging before we ship the full kit to Switzerland. There are still some questions marks on some key elements, especially shipping and budget. We are keeping our head down and hoping for the best. I have to give a big shout to all the people who have supported us and helped us get this far, especially all our sponsors who have trusted us to deliver! We hope to make a good showing in Geneva and make them proud. Overall I have been really impressed by the resourcefulness of the team and what we have manage to achieve considering where we started from. Few would have given us much chances of making it this far. For sure we have had to make many compromises along the way to save time and/or money. The result will be a boat that is slightly heavier than we would have liked but it's not a bad effort for a first attempt. It will be a tremendous plateform to work from in the future. The team keeps some update and uploads regular photos on our Facebook page, accessible also from our website (http://etsclassc-rafale.ca/) Juls.