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interesting given the numbers in the US, there is a substantial data pool available would be interesting if any data available on genetic, gender, cultural etc variations thinking from a base evolutionary perspective a group or population is what it is in a particular current environment once an event effects / passes through that group you have whatever survival you have you lose the susceptible and retain those with characteristics that are stronger in the new dynamic the theory suggests the population then is more likely to survive/continue in the new environment that requires the whole group to be exposed we have the ability to modify our environments to some degree and play with this situation theoretical thinking...have no wish to see the 'herd immunity' concept played out....although it is what may occur eventually in a somewhat controlled manner humans are just one organism travelling around on a rock that has seen plenty come and go we think we are bigger than we are

you seem to be missing the point the mesoblast trial is not for COVID....i did read your link and it infers there may be a covid benefit possible the trial is for other medical issues...that's all well and good... it does not translate across as it has not been trialled for that you keep sprouting information but not joining certain dots so well

great news..... except for dachopper, who has his money on a different pathway Human vaccine trials to begin in Australia today Australia's first human trials of a potential COVID-19 vaccine started in Melbourne today, with about 130 people involved in the program. Clinical research organisation the Nucleus Network will be in charge of the early stages of testing the vaccine NVX-CoV2373, before the trial expands to Brisbane within a week. Who are the frontrunners in the coronavirus vaccine race? There are more than 100 coronavirus vaccines in the pipeline and almost a dozen that have made it to humans trials. ABC Health takes a look. Read more The participants are healthy people between 18 and 59 years old. Victoria's Parliamentary Secretary for Medical Research, Frank McGuire, said the trial was a significant step forward in the race for a coronavirus vaccine. "As the first human trial in the southern hemisphere, and one of only a handful of COVID-19 human trials worldwide, I am delighted Victoria is again at the forefront in leadership and excellence in medical research," he said in a statement. The treatment is being developed by US biotech company Novavax and is aimed at enhancing the immune response and stimulating high levels of neutralising antibodies. Preliminary results are expected in July. the point...? so many working on this.....think it is a little naive at this point to think anyone has the knowledge who will get to a result first...

oh well......someone else in on the race too. better quickly buy some shares in this one too dachopper..... not that i think news.com.au is a particularly reliable news source but... https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-treatment-using-umbilical-cord-cells-tested-on-pneumonia-patients/news-story/1ea10c542c419800505c3ab4a65ce474 Australian researchers have discovered a way to treat patients with serious forms of coronavirus using blood cells derived from the umbilical cord. In a world-first, patients at a Melbourne hospital will now be infused with the treatment to check its safety. Up to 24 patients with moderate to severe pneumonia - which develops in serious cases of COVID-19 - will be recruited to take part in the trial which is expected to be finished before the end of the year. The treatment would prevent the progression of pneumonia. “It’s not going to cure coronavirus and it’s not like a vaccine that will prevent it, but it’s particularly designed for patients who progress from the very mild form (of the virus) to the very dangerous form that causes people to have to go to hospital,” study co-leader Professor Graham Jenkin, Monash University, told news.com.au. my point? there must be another 10....20.....1000......? research labs out there working on this plus all the vaccine developers too good luck to them all you waxing lyrical about your particular interest suggests you may have drunk a little too much of the kool aid.... i bothered to look up your link just the CMO suggesting there is a rationale to infer the treatment will work with COVID no tests, no trial they have been trialling this for ten years for the other issues do you have medical qualifications? above you seem to infer that you can conclude the benefits of this treatment again i think you have been drinking a little too much of the juice best of luck with your share speculation

follow with me for a moment here.... i just road tripped for work brisbane, coffs, ballina and back, 2 days at the border coming back, via Lindesay Hwy route not really asked much, certainly not asked where I had been i volunteered..... 'going home' then saw my pass and said off you go listening to north coast abc radio while driving business people at yamba and byron saying lot of people with qld plates visiting, did not comment on it being right or wrong currently can travel in nsw for work or visiting family or friends from June 1 nsw population can now travel to nth coast for holiday, bookings are starting to happen (from radio information) not sure how you delineate the visiting family and friends from a holiday as such....so travel now happening...? so.... if qld is travelling down north nsw area...anecdotal evidence says yes.... plenty then coming back with little scrutiny cause we have a pass.... is our border arrangement actually preventing the movement of potential case risk...? is it less likely to limit risk from June 1...?

Never thought I would see that...you had him off to the noose already.....

exactly.......great summary.....

mate you seem stressed and upset no matter who you spar with here it seems you wish to argue or be contrary bit glass half empty....maybe..? so.....hey....great news for you....in case you had not checked... from nsw health information page you could get to that church now Worship and religious gatherings A maximum of 10 people can attend a religious gathering, or attend a place of worship for private worship. Services can be streamed or recorded to enable people to engage in worship. People attending a place of public worship will be required to provide their name and contact details when they enter so that they can be used for contact tracing. or get out for some exercise Travel and transport There are no limitations to travelling within NSW for the purposes of work, school, exercise or visiting family and friends. You may not travel to regional NSW for a holiday. Learn more about travelling for work and border restrictions. just trying to help....it could do you some good

...wealth? ah...is that the endless chase of the dollar type wealth? wealth can be measured in many ways and money can have little to do with it there is a point where it is possible to realise money is just not everything i'll take the wealth of the people around me, family, friends et al thanks we are truly fortunate in this country, not sure of the percentage that appreciate this i see no indications of our health system being depleted in the foreseeable future in fact we have just increased our capacities without really drawing breath read an article (would have to go looking to find it) about how we (Aus) had a team of people working on it, behind the scenes, very quietly and quite early in the piece Greg Hunt spoke about the other week we will have to agree to disagree and if you can get past the border would still buy you a beer

too funny

you volunteering....? seriously? you will put dollars ahead of life......just for your liberties.......please go first then or which of your relatives / friends / associates are you offering? our ground is pretty middle....many countries / localities had (or still do have) an actual lockdown sydney? hope you do not represent current thinking from the emerald city.......glad i moved north good on anna with the border control too....

i'm not sure what duncan's arguement is actually i get the feeling he just wants to say stuff....and sometimes exaggerate a bit he uses statements like .....expect people to stay locked in their houses... .....You think shutting everything down has zero cost?.... but it is not the reality I'm certainly not sitting on my arse, figuratively.... still working as is my other half and most of the people I know have been windsurfing to keep on the water until i can sail from club walking...the dogs love it..... yes....lots of economic hurt yes...will take a long time to sort it out no...you cannot go too many places....but a little opening up may be coming no...overseas is going to be even longer oh...alternative?....uncontrolled death rate i think i'll run with our current game plan duncan.....please leave the animals at Taronga alone too....they have rights....

plenty on twitter commenting and giving maths lessons

gawd you are hard to please glad i do not live in your house

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