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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. I agree with Sockeye. The rules come into play when boats interfere with each other on the water. In this case, Red left enough room for Green to slip in and out before Red could shut the door on her. How could Red have a case, whether the mark was an obstruction or a mark of the course?
  2. The J105 only has three sails to maintain and upgrade and can be sailed with a limited number of crew. Any IOR boat will cost you at least twice as much a year in sail maintenance/replacement and beer for the rail meat crew, assuming you can even find enough of them to sail the boat properly. If yearly upkeep money is an issue, you cannot go wrong with a J105.
  3. The suggestion is made that the financial troubles started at EYC after expensive club renovations. Most yacht clubs are struggling with membership and I cannot imagine undertaking any large expenditures and expecting dues to pay for those. Twenty years ago, we were setting aside a percentage of our budget for a capital fund. As membership started to decline, that deferment went by the wayside. We had several clubhouse and racing equipment capital projects but they were all funded by voluntary donations and obviously by people who could afford and were motivated to make the donations to help the club survive. I also found the cap at 600 members interesting. I have never been at EYC but I would assume that it has a formal dining room and that its capacity may be a limiting factor on the number of members that it can accommodate. Out club house is now absolutely packed at some events but we think that is a good problem to have. The clubhouse is also now open just about every day in the summer. Another good sign that things are looking up. There were also some suggestions made that some of the EYC senior members were still throwing their weight around on how the club should be run and it is therefore understandable that some dues paying members were objecting to that practice. I am also not sure that giving up your right to vote is a significant compromise for dues relief. The history of our yacht club was very racing oriented and 80% of our membership was comprised of racing boat owners. Yes, we did have social functions but they were always race related and were open to anyone participating in our race events. With the decline in race participation levels, our membership started to struggle and with our "Fee for Services" attitude, we had a significant financial struggle on our hands. We are now a club where the social component is the glue that holds us together and less than 50% of our members still own racing sailboats and our membership experience is no longer defined by our experiences on the race course. This transformation has allowed us to double our membership in the last 3-4 years but it is only possible because membership volunteer hours is up at least ten time from what it was a number of years ago. Even though out membership and club activities are way up, our payroll is down substantially.
  4. I found this to be an interesting discussion. A number of years ago, our yacht club faced significant financial challenges and we also had a membership category for senior members at $0 dues level. This was an issue because we had significantly more members over 80 than under 30 and many more over 60 than under 40. Many of the members over 60 would qualify for $0 memberships in the very near future. It seemed to me that the EYC board was pretty shortsighted. Even though we were not collecting dues from our senior membership, many of them would be first in line to donate to the club whenever that was necessary. Quite a few members left money to the club in their wills when they passed away. If you tell them thank you for their countless years of club support and then tell them that there free ride is up, I can understand them not being too supportive of the new board of the yacht club. In the last three years, we have not messed with dues or special assessments but we did become more aggressive in welcoming newcomers to the yacht club and membership has doubled in the last three years. We are spending all of the increased income to make the membership experience more enjoyable and it is working. Sounds to me that, at EYC, strong egos are driving the boat and they are now too proud to admit that they have made a terrible mistake by disrespecting the members that created the yacht club in the first place.
  5. Such a repair is probably well beyond the capability of most individuals and you will need a boat yard to fix it. I assume that you are insured. Once the insurance company sees the repair estimate they will likely total the boat. I have seen that happen in our fleet, even for boats that had been kept in perfect condition and would be impossible to replace with boats on the market today.
  6. 220,000 vies and over 8,000 replies and this SJ24 is still afloat, in spite of all the abuse that she is taken. Bruce Kirby, the designer, and Clark Boat Company, the builder, deserve a lot of credit.
  7. When PHRF-NW had the situation with the big boats, the owners did bend over backwards to resolve the issue and, among big boat owners, there was general agreement that what PHRF-NW was trying to do was unworkable and unfair. The PHRF-NW board just was not interested and, when the big boats broke away, the attitude was good riddance. For the issues for PHRF-NW, PHRF-BC and PHRF-VI to be resolved, the boards need to be interested in doing so for the benefit of the membership.
  8. In order for any change to be implemented, there has to be some support from the PHRF-NW board. With the big boat fiasco last year, they became very defensive and, in order to make the problems go away, they essentially forced the big boats to break away from PHRF-NW and start racing under a different rating system. It is plain silly that PHRF VI, BC and NW all have their own interpretations on what boats ought to be rated and it kind of shows how subjective a PHRF rating system really is. Combining the three PHRF districts would make enormous sense but it also means that we would have to deal with three times the number of egos. The PHRF boards really need to remind themselves what they are really here for.
  9. Over 180,000 views later, Rimas is obviously the star of the show but no-one sees fit to make fun of a SJ24 any longer. In spite of the clear shortcomings of the skipper, this $500.00 sailboat is still afloat and the mast is still standing. I have sailed SJ24s for 35 years and I still get the impression that, when things get rough, the brew will break much sooner than the boat will.
  10. It is hard to resist making light of this situation. In the picture, Rimas is showing that he has his whistle handy and ready for use. When he goes over the side, does he believe he can use it to get the boat to come back and pick him up? I see that he does have an outboard engine bracket. From personal experience I can tell you that, without it, it is almost impossible to get back in the boat from the water.
  11. Somebody needs to give the San Juan 24 some credit. As an active SJ24 sailor, I would never dream of taking one offshore but they are tough little boats nevertheless and they certainly do not deserve to be abused like this one is.
  12. Crewed on a 30/30 in Seattle through the 90s. Great boat but it did need the rail meat. Was always envious of Cats Paw, the 30/30 GP, because the large cockpit would accommodate the large crew much better. In terms of boat speed, the GP never seemed all that much faster than the regular 30/30 and would hardly ever make up for the difference in rating. Had a chance to buy the GP, when it was for sale in Seattle, and still somewhat regret not pulling the trigger. The appeal of OD racing was just too strong.
  13. The health of a fleet is somewhat boat dependent and we have certainly seen some sailors move on. In Seattle, that has been minimal however. Every year, we have a couple of people leave the fleet and fortunately have seen an equal number of people join the fleet. Most of those have family obligations and stop actively sailing because of time constraints etc.. Many of our fleet members have been part of the J24 fleet for 20-25 years and our level of sailing suits them fine. Our boat has three people in their mid 60s and one in his mid 70s. Only our foredeck person is in his 30s. We are clearly not as athletic as some of the other teams out there but we have a good time. The fact remains that our J24 fleet is still the only OD option where you can race 20-25 boats on weeknights on a total sailing/moorage budget of $5k-$7k. Some spend more and some spend less. We have five or six boats out there with sail numbers in the 5000 range but most boats date back to the early 80s. The newer sports boats are nice but to campaign them, you will have to spend a multiple of what we are spending in the J24 fleet. As a fleet, we are therefore not competing with other boat types but rather with available family time. Our weekend regatta participation is therefore poor but that allows people like me to commit to a big boat program for the weekends. If the fleets are properly managed, they do not have to die.
  14. From what I remember, the mains for these boats are cut pretty flat. In the lighter air, we used the running backstay to pull the center of the mast aft to add some fullness to the main. That seemed to help our light air perfomance. The 911s's and S2 9.1's are a little tougher but you ought to be able to stay with them. It is hard to be competitive with six year old sails and a new set will do wonders for your boat speed. The boat also needs to be sailed flat. We sailed the boat with seven people in just about all conditions.
  15. In the late 80s through the 90s in Seattle, we had a nice class of several Santana 30/30s, S2 9.1s and Olson 911Ss. Crewed on one of the Santana 30/30 and have wonderful memories of the boat. I have a J24 right now but still sometimes regret not buying a Santana 30/30 GP that was for sale here about a doxzen years ago. If you are in the market for a 30 footer, all the three boats mentioned would be good candidates and all can be had for a reasonable amount of money.