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Everything posted by Veeger

  1. Singlehanding a 44' cruiser?

    It sounds like you're well able to FIX a boat. But have little sailing time.(what with 80 hr work weeks and all). Stick with the Alberg 30. You'll be able to sail it often and maintain it in bristol fashion. Many guys work years to build boats and then sell them after launching--they liked working on 'em much more than sailing them. If you have a cherry 30'er but are bored and don't want to go sailing, then you are a project guy. Don't waste your money on a 44' 'deal'. Build your business and get paid for working rather than spending limited resources. In other words, you'll be much better off NOT being your own customer and having (hopefully) paying customers to feed your tinkering habit. If it's not about the 'project' and IS about sailing, you'll have everything you need in a 30'er (since your'e single handing anyway). Plus, you'll have more time and resources to actually go sailing...
  2. January 1, 2018 was a good day in these parts....
  3. Sold everything to sail the world...boat sunk on day 2

    I'm still stuck on having to 're-navigate boats daily in the marina'.... I guess I'll have to go see how Clive uses that term....
  4. Sense 51 or 57

    SA/D of 18 and a fat ass, is not going to make a boat, umm, 'performance oriented'. 23 is better, but not a race boat (anymore). Of course, with that wide a back end, I wouldn't really want so much sail area that the angle of heel is much more that 15 degrees or so.... (long way to fall from the high side, whether in the cockpit or the galley)
  5. Sense 51 or 57

    For an ocean crossing, sure, stow and go. For a summer of daysailing from anchorage to anchorage and in and out of fuel docks and marinas, my preference is for an easy way to carry a dinghy that doesn’t chew up 30 minutes of my time each way, each day and to not have manage it astern on a towline. I’ve spent years doing that and I’ve also spent the last 10 years with a dinghy on davits,. I prefer the latter. As to offshore suitability of the Sense line, they have some theoretical pros and cons but with appropriate preparations as you have outlined, yup, I’d do it.
  6. Sense 51 or 57

    I briefly chewed on a 'what if' scenario for getting a Sense 51. Apart from on the foredeck, I don't see any way of carrying a dinghy....
  7. Sold everything to sail the world...boat sunk on day 2

    No worries, mate! (but, pssst, just between you and me? you're not quite as good as you think you are)
  8. what is it?

    Wow! Looks like there was a lot of life left in this thread--cool! Who woulda known?
  9. Sold everything to sail the world...boat sunk on day 2

    Yes, LB, I really and truly, pushed oil tankers all over the world for a few years, and, yes, as Master, at 32 years old. Hmmm, that was 32 years ago. When we studied that 'other' buoyage system, I did enough learning to pass the test. But you know what? Nobody gave a shit after that, the generic 'sea buoy' was pretty well understood. Consequently, I let my Mark 1, gray matter hard drive, just delete that unnecessary info right out of my brain. Some people may be really great at remembering the trivia of their book learning. You ever notice that when you see a buoy on the chart, it really isn't all that hard to tell which side of it you are supposed to go on? In fact, it's pretty intuitive when combined with GPS, charts with soundings, etc. Shapes and colors were critical especially in the days when something just loomed up out of the fog. They even come in handy now for newbs and old salts from time to time. What was never critical is whether is was called a Safe Water Mark, a Fairway Marker, or a sea buoy. But I''m glad you've kept that info there in your brain so that it gives you the opportunity to feel both superior and horrified at the ignoramuses all around you. Back in the day, we used to joke about how different ranks answered the Captain's morning question--"Where are we,?" The Cadet says, "Captain, we're right here at 162 degrees 49.81 minutes West and 12 degrees, 15.4 minutes North." The Third Mate would say, "we're right HERE, sir" as he put his index finger just past the last fix on the chart and quickly add that we only had 693 miles to go. The Second Mate would wave his index finger at the last position on the chart and say " we're right about here and we'll get in a little early on Friday". The Chief Mate would say, "Mornin' Cap! we're right around here" as he waved his hand in a 10" radius over the chart and put his palm down on the chart in the similar area. "Oh, by the way, we're gonna be chipping up around the foc'sle today if the weather stays good. Probably ought to have Fire and Boat Drill this morning after coffee" Obviously, these answers wouldn't be very good if the Safe Water Mark was anywhere in the immediate offing... The most important thing to me was that folks knew what was important at the moment it was important. For your poor cads in your sailing school, obviously the definition of a Safe Water Mark would be the most important thing to know. It's been a long time since it was important to me....
  10. Snubbed

    I had a 45# Bulwagga as my secondary. The real positive about it was that no matter how it might flip with a reversal of pull, it was going to dig back in toot sweet. Never really got to use it though as the 55# Rocna was always first to go down and didn't miss a trick. I lost more than one fender getting punctured when tossed in the locker on that Bulwagga though. Deadly edges...
  11. Sold everything to sail the world...boat sunk on day 2

    I bow at your feet for your great vocabulary and that you were able to remember this, oh so very critical piece of information. We poor, rebellious cousins and outcasts from the empire tend to focus on what's important and blow off the trivial. Surely, I'm not worthy.... (I'll live....somehow)
  12. Sold everything to sail the world...boat sunk on day 2

    Never been one to be particularly enamored with being PC and with this day and age environment, well, it does kinda fit. I don't know what your world travels may have been, possibly far more than mine, but here's the truth of the matter----I've been in places where it took 3 days for the mere odooor of the local officials to dissipate from my office and quarters, been 'held up' by officials for 'chicken money' cuz well, quote, "...Captain, this ship, she takes a lot of money to run, yes? So, like $300, is chicken money, yes?" just so the ship and crew (and her gallant captain) can get un-arrested and go about their business of plying the high seas. Places where the pilot has fewer skills than our erstwhile, unfortunate 2 day veteran world voyagers, and where staying on board was preferable over the sounds of gunshots not far from the dock. Where your crew's vaccinations consist of a stack of 'shot cards' for the low, low price of $800. Nope, there's a bunch of places that neither you nor I would want to spend much time in, often because of the greed and avarice of the local gummint. It really does meet the definition... YMMV
  13. Sold everything to sail the world...boat sunk on day 2

    Nah. Nope. Here's how ship's take pilots. They talk to 'em on the radydidio, after having had their port agent make the initial request with an ETA. The pilot boat comes out and meets the ship and the pilot gets on anywhere between a half and or three miles (nautical ones). No shipmaster willingly goes up the spot on the chart whether sea buoy or SWM or whichever, cuz like da pilots can sometimes be late. Of course, in some s****ole countries they don't really ever come out much beyond the breakwater so you might end up running up the channel a ways. No worries, they're often really nice and will ask you to wait and hold position in a narrow channel so they can come out and bring you a 'gift'----one green coconut. True story Edit: In 15 years of pushing big steel ships all around the world, I never heard, nor needed, to know what a Safe Whatever Buoy Marker was. Some knowledge is useless. Some not so much. 'Sea buoy' sufficed....
  14. I did get a legit notification from NVDC for my renewal last year and went ahead and did it---early. So now my next renewal date is 12 months from when I paid instead of just renewing and rolling over at the 'correct' time of renewal. That effectively increases my annual fee by about 20%. I'll wait until the last minute this year.....
  15. Uglyboat Admiration Society Hang Out

    Extra volume for the holding tank?
  16. what is it?

    I went down this route but could see the budget blowing out.. cat.pdf
  17. Sold everything to sail the world...boat sunk on day 2

    I'd bet real money that these two have never heard of no stinkin' Notice to Mariners or a previously mentioned, upthread, Sailing Directions....
  18. what is it?

    My first thought too (but larger). However, pay attention to the post before you. This thread is done.
  19. Snubbed

    Actually, it was very helpful and much appreciated. I've been looking for just such a solution and am eager to try it out!
  20. Coolboats to admire

    I'm a little surprised that this is less drag than a saildrive but as Slug says, it may be better at the higher speeds. I suppose it has more wetted surface but less structural load on a saildrive/hull connection and sail drive/engine connection. Certainly I'd rather have this than a sail drive....
  21. Sold everything to sail the world...boat sunk on day 2

    Predictable.... Predictable..... Predictable Most of us here could have seen this coming, the tragedy is that they couldn't....
  22. My newest project

    To me, bobstays were a function of older technology. Today's use of carbon fiber, for example, minimizes the need for a bobstay an enables an 'unstayed' sprit. Lighter overall displacement and build capability means that the overhangs of old can be filled in with waterline length. That resultant plumb bow needs the ability to handle an anchor without scuffing up the topsides and does serve as a handy extension for the tack of a light sail. Personally, while most bobstays might not cause 'problems' such as rig or anchor line failures to any large degree, I'd not want one. They ARE chafe points, either on an anchor rode or subject to chafe or damage from an anchor chain. That chafe point makes me nervous in a blow just because of the potential for a problem as well as adding some potential 'sleep disturbing' noise from chafing, rubbing or transmitted vibrations from same.
  23. OK, I sort of get it, now

    Great illustration of the complexity we accept for our 'comforts'. Can't believe I'm actually considering going back to that complexity again (sigh)
  24. 1180 nm of Lessons in 14 weeks

    Yup. You've gotta feed 'em. Someone has to wash more dishes. Water tanks deplete faster. Holding tank pompout frequency increases. Tolerance for weather conditions changes plans, increased 'issues' with privacy and menu 'needs'.... I much prefer just cruising with the Admiral. I can usually deal with extra bodies for a daysail under 6 hours as I have lower expectations and can endure most anything for a known period of time. (I guess I sound a bit curmudgeonly but, well, ok, I'll own that)
  25. Coolboats to admire

    Yup, a really, really, really, strong temptation.... At first I thought, yeah, well, they're just trying to get some of their money back out of a refurb, I don't want a woody.... But fiberglass hull, no mods to the original design, virtually brand new, I'm falling.......