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  1. AC36 - The Venue

    Niall is another reliable long-time AC media follower. Here he generally agrees with Gladwell. Another positive voice for ETNZ. Yeah, the "mid-to-late next year" timeframe is a bit of a mystery. It appears to come from Panuku. Today's Government/Council meetings should be wrapping up by now. Hopefully with progress.
  2. AC36 - The Venue

    Thanks for this. All we ever hear about is "spokesman" Goldwater's off-kilter and damaging comments. He obviously represents a minority, but how big? Does he report to a chairman, a committee, or a major body of concerned citizens. I've got a sneaky feeling he just a rabid greenie who sounds off at will every time a reporter with MG's phone number in his Rolodex calls up for a pithy quote to liven up a story. If SSOH really cares, it's long past time they called a public meeting to validate their claims. And it is long past time for reporters to NOT simply act as MG's accomplices. "Spokesperson Michael Goldwater says this will be a positive legacy for Auckland. Mr Parker's progress for siting the America's Cup bases on Wynyg.ard Point will continue Sir Peter Blake's waterfront vision by de-industrialising the waterfront west of the Viaduct and Wynyard Quarter, leaving an important legacy for future maritime sporting events. "'We support Mr Parker's vision and applaud his efforts to return Auckland's waterfront to its citizens by creating a world-class America's Cup venue.' says Goldwater." That's pure and utter bullshit. And invoking Blakie's good name is particularly reprehensible. Auckland Council and Panuku have excellent long-range plans to make Wynyard Point a liveable appealing area, plans that Blake would wholeheartedly approve.
  3. AC36 - The Venue

    What else could Goff say? He ain't gonna piss on the Miniser's shonky plan! Yes, the Gumming has committed to back AC preparations but Parker hold's purse strings to the national share of the cost.
  4. AC36 - The Venue

    Gladwell's only horse in this race is for a successful and memorable America's Cup next time. He has no axe to grind. This is an excellent recitation of the issues in play as Minister Parker continues in his efforts to throw a spanner in the works. "Serious downsides to Parker Proposal "In the Council Hearing which anointed the Mayor's Wynyard Basin proposal, Emirates Team New Zealand expressed strong reservations about the Wynyard Point proposal. These included the amount of dredging on the Westhaven marina side to take the water depth from the current 2.5metres to over 5.5metres needed to float the AC75 yachts competing in the 2021 America's Cup. "Other issues with the sites are well known to sailors - being the exposure to strong south westerly winds - with no protection for the yachts during rigging and spar removal. "The base area would be located well away (800 metres) from the America's Cup Village and Media centre, repeating the mistake made at several previous America's Cups where the bases were beyond easy public access." Parker's continuing efforts constitute a gigantic red herring and are potentially costing the country in time and money every day that he persists.
  5. AC36 - The Venue

    Parker is trying to have his cake and eat it too. He is being disingenuous. Yes his proposal which as I recall is pretty vague, is $15 mill or so cheaper than the ETNZ/Council plan. However it doesn't include $100 mill plus for cleaning up the south end of Wynyard Point. Add in that cost and his prelim estimate is getting up to twice as much for the plan already filed by the council. I wish Orsman would push he harder on that point. There's also the problem of the compressed timeline caused by the delay in getting access to the site. Not to mention that the ETNZ/Council compromise plan, in which both parties made major concessions, is a far more attractive and workable approach. Fact is, Parker is pushing his alternative not to save money but to mollify the Labour Govt's lefties and greenies who what to "Save our Harbour" from what exactly i'm not quite sure given the modest claims the current plan makes on six or seven acres of waterfront.
  6. AC36 Auckland NZ

    That's a laugh. Russell Green is anything but Deed-ignorant. OTOH he is quite adept at blowing smoke up critic's arses.
  7. AC36 Auckland NZ

    Whoa! Using your stated criteria, what AC teams were "national" over last couple of Cup cycles?
  8. Teams?

    Let's not forget that the "attack-dog lawyers" more than earned their keep to the tune of millions of dollars in their successful protest against illegitimate ACEA actions that ultimately denied ETNZ government funding in the last Cup cycle. Kiwi challengers for the Cup long ago learned to be wary of rule-bending Billionaire challengers.
  9. Teams?

    2.4 addresses acceptance of challenges. There are no caveats prohibiting potential challengers from informing the world they have lodged a challenge. Although the formality adopted by the Squadron might deter the faint-hearted.
  10. Teams?

    We can always hope! Nothing in Trustee Memorandum No 1 that precludes hopefuls from telling the world that they've chucked their hat in the ring.
  11. AC36 - The Venue

    Duncan Johnstone noted in this story: "There have been pleasing signs about the maturity with with Auckland Council and Team New Zealand have approached the initial process." At first sight that's at odds with the headline some editor hurriedly slapped on his story. It's accurate but sloppy. At first read it suggests Auckland needs to get off the pot. In fact the Council has moved with admirable haste in managing local competing interests. I didn't have a chance to view the Council meeting but the briefing paper Stinger referred to is a good read and sets out all the issues with considerable clarity. http://infocouncil.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/Open/2017/12/GB_20171214_AGN_6766_AT_SUP_57225.PDFle The Council planning makes the best of limited options. Ya gotta admire the way in which it leaves the door open for the Minister to pursue his messy Wynyard Point option. It lays out the objections, including the problem of Cup bases on the weather side of the Point and the costs and problems associated with breaking the leases of the remaining Tank Farm tenants. It adds that the Council has neither the time and manpower nor the funds to undertake this work and makes clear that those costs would fall on the national government. Now the Minister needs to fall into line.
  12. AC36 - The Venue

    Well, car parking and boat parking. All in all, a nice summary of how the Cup should be staged.
  13. AC36 Auckland NZ

    Yeah! And we're reliabl;y informed that she has "a super steel structure making it strong enough to dribble through ice in the southern ocean." Jesus wept! What's more she has a private helipad. That, I guess, in contrast to public helipads on other super yachts.
  14. AC36 - The Venue

    Terry Hollis has given you a good lead. Pretty hot outfit. Were doing graphics for TV back when NZ was first challenging for the Cup. Started with Virtual Spectator for TV producers and gradually morphed into online Apps. They operate world wide from their Dunedin base. Name a sport and they've done one kind of graphic service or another -- world gliding champs, golf, FI, world motor rally, Volvo Race, you name it. Worth going to their website http://arl.co.nz for a first hand look at all they do.
  15. Team NYYC

    Well at least McFadden's report has shot holes in the theorists who mistakenly believe the NYYC challenge isn't serious!