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  1. VOR 2017-18

    How to watch the in-port racing in Alicante on the water? Hi I am looking to organise a trip to Alicante for the start of the VOR as a present for a very good friend of mine who is turning 75. We went to the Vendee Globe start together in 2012 for his 70th, so this seems to fit! I'd like to go out and see the in-port race, as that is probably the best "bang-for-buck", on the water. Unfortunately, the official VOR on the water experience with a modicum of comfort (he is 75 after all), is the VIP  Spectator Boat for €595, which, compared to the €200 we spent in the VG, is very steep, and shelling out €1200 plus flights and accommodation is a bit much, even for a 75th birthday present. Does anyone know of any other outfits running these kind of tours? Or even a company or private individual with a suitable motorboat that we could charter (with skipper)? For the right price, our wives & my kid could come along too, which would really be the icing on the cake! I've had a good dig around without much luck so far. Any hints and tips would be greatly appreciated! Regards Tom
  2. Why was TNZ faster ?

  3. Team Alinghi

    Absolutely, and if EB had even remotely proposed the current protocol, he would have been completely crucified. His 'misdemeanours' pale into comparison with LE and RC's. And lest we forget, the Valencia ACs were real ACs with real challengers, real drama and very well watched "with the biggest crowds ever" (;-)).
  4. How to watch live races?

    Thank you!! I was looking for somewhere, found only late night italian TV. This is cool.
  5. Good to see, but sad to realise, that my opinion is shared by some of the professionals.....
  6. For me, it is definitely not that great. Managed to track down my first set of races to watch last night, on an Italian TV replay, so no commentary that was readily understandable, other than Laaandroverrr Barrrr and "como uno Ferrari". So that that is a first downer: ability to watch :-( boats are all the same: look the same, act the same. It is very hard to see the difference in foils. Sometimes one boat is screaming along, the other just not keeping up, a minute later its the reverse. So no idea where the impact is. Might as well be all one-design. So the design factor, which was about 40% of the AC, is gone. the leverage factor is too great. With that I mean: 0.5Kn more wind on one tack means a multiple difference in boatspeed. That creates "great passing", if great is defined at being at the lucky end of a fluke. Sure, reading the wind is a key skill, but still, you could be the best, and the other guy happens to run into a local windy patch and shoots 500m up the course. the course is too small: it doesn't allow for tactical games, just pinball bouncing similar to 3: the speed difference between foiling and splash is too great. One mistake and you've lost 200m. That rewards safe sailing and minimal maneuvering. 4 grinders grinding away, regardless of boat movement is just stupid. (I know its the hydraulics). Having the tactician, like Percy, with his head stuck down over the handles, panting away and trying to get the best out of the course is just madness. Having only 2 full time sailors (helmsman & wing trimmer) on a AC boat with 6 people is just ludicrous. "Best sailors in the world", eh, yeah, 33% of them.... rest are guys with most developed biceps (or thighs, in case of TNZ) in the world. And having bikes on a boat.... the speeds: for one, when everybody travels at the same speed, and yes, it is madness skooting down at over 40kn, it's all relative speeds, so you get inured to it. the speeds: maneuvers are very difficult to catch. I tried to show my partner what a dial-down was. There was one in the race, but it was over before I really realised that it had happened, and we could only catch it on rewind and replay. Same with most others.. the pre-start: the big mind-fucks, cat and mouse games, the psych-outs and blow-outs are all gone. Yes, speeds offset some of that tension, but what I've seen sofar was pretty lame in that respect. Oracle in the LVC. Sorry, doesn't work for me. Fuck off Coutts. And before people say "the wow factor of foiling cats": that worked 3 years ago, now every one and the kitchen sink are foiling. The scale of the AC72 had something going for it, and the fact that TNZ managed to get one of those beast to fly. The wing on Dogzilla was a monster. These are just watered down, budget white label versions of those machines. That's not the AC. So no, my heart is not in this AC, like it was in all the previous ones. I'll follow it, but only in the hope that someone sensible wins it, and does something non-sensible with it. Like real match racing in boats created through a tech arms race, fuck the cost, fuck the rules, with surprise creations (bad & good), mad uneven racing, comebacks and clashes, spygames, intrigue and slagging matches, real characters and stories. Oh yeah, and watchable with a mouse or remote control click, not hunting for IP spoofers and dodgy recasters. That will bring in the punters, satisfy the sponsors, and be worthy of the Auld Mug.
  7. Practice videos

    Exciting though it looks, I am getting less and less convinced we're going to have good racing. Once they're all up to speed, the actual velocity doesn't matter so much from a viewing perspective. The problem is in the speed difference between good sailing and slightly less good sailing. Time and time again, we've seen a boat coming a little of the foils, and bam: speed difference immediately huge, gap opened, and if nothing else happens, game over. So yeah, that's a challenge: the most consistent team should win. If line speed differences are say +/- 5%, manoeuvres & consistency differences are in the +/- 20-50% (or more, purely fictional figures) range and therefore consistency should win it every time. But does that make for good racing? One slight error and you're out? I'm not sure. Tactics, boat placement etc are all of secondary importance to consistency. And if by doing some fancy moves you plop your boat... So in addition to consistency, conservative sailing helps too. So we'll have to see who the "boring steady Eddie" of the bunch will be!
  8. Vendee Globe 2016?

    What an amazing welcome for him! Allez les pompiers!!
  9. Vendee Globe 2016?

    He lost his rudder and had a pretty tough time getting a new one back in, in a storm. Read about it here The english is pretty tame, the french reads much more scary. Incredible feat, in my view.
  10. Vendee Globe 2016?

    Pictures or it didn't happen - first Dutchie in the VG to round Cape Horn after being discovered by Dutchies 401 years ago. "Seeing Cape Horn is very special and emotionally. I drank a bit of rum to celebrate." "The boat is doing well, and the sails are doing well. But my heater broke down today". "I will need another month to finish." Source (in Dutch) "And his autopilot only works on compass, not wind direction, so that means not a lot of sleep during shifty wind periods, such as now" Looks like what happened to Alex... (EDIT) - but an awful lot slower of course...... ;-)
  11. Vendee Globe 2016?

    French press telling it's Djokovic (ALC) v/s Wavrinka (AT) ?? I didn't know Stan was Welsh....who knew...?... Well Stan is actually from Romandie, and in German Switzerland, that is called "Welschland" or the language "Welsch".... Welsch, das in der Romandie gesprochene Schweizer Französisch
  12. Vendee Globe 2016?

    In current similar winds, ALC seems consistently 2 kn faster than AT on his favoured side? Lower TWS threshold for foiling for ALC?
  13. Vendee Globe 2016?

    That must be the seamanship feat of the race!!
  14. Vendee Globe 2016?

    As a thank you for the entertainment and information I had reading this thread I tried to translate what Roura sent to the Vendee site as the english translation on the official site is a bit minimal. Sorry if the english is not perfect, but it is late and i tried to keep it close the the original. Getting a rudder installed when dangling off a boat in 6m waves for 30 min seems quite an achievement.
  15. Vendee Globe 2016?

    Is it just me, but has Yes We Cam moored up somewhere nice and calm? The boat's hardly moving and the curtains are drawn. You could imagine a nice view of some trees or a harbour crane :-) out there. PS - trying to find instructions on how to embed a video, but only found reference to "embed media" icon, which I can't see...