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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
    • B.J. Porter

      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.


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  1. Absolutely, and if EB had even remotely proposed the current protocol, he would have been completely crucified. His 'misdemeanours' pale into comparison with LE and RC's. And lest we forget, the Valencia ACs were real ACs with real challengers, real drama and very well watched "with the biggest crowds ever" (;-)).
  2. Thank you!! I was looking for somewhere, found only late night italian TV. This is cool.
  3. Good to see, but sad to realise, that my opinion is shared by some of the professionals.....
  4. For me, it is definitely not that great. Managed to track down my first set of races to watch last night, on an Italian TV replay, so no commentary that was readily understandable, other than Laaandroverrr Barrrr and "como uno Ferrari". So that that is a first downer: ability to watch :-( boats are all the same: look the same, act the same. It is very hard to see the difference in foils. Sometimes one boat is screaming along, the other just not keeping up, a minute later its the reverse. So no idea where the impact is. Might as well be all one-design. So the design factor, which was about 40% of the AC, is gone. the leverage factor is too great. With that I mean: 0.5Kn more wind on one tack means a multiple difference in boatspeed. That creates "great passing", if great is defined at being at the lucky end of a fluke. Sure, reading the wind is a key skill, but still, you could be the best, and the other guy happens to run into a local windy patch and shoots 500m up the course. the course is too small: it doesn't allow for tactical games, just pinball bouncing similar to 3: the speed difference between foiling and splash is too great. One mistake and you've lost 200m. That rewards safe sailing and minimal maneuvering. 4 grinders grinding away, regardless of boat movement is just stupid. (I know its the hydraulics). Having the tactician, like Percy, with his head stuck down over the handles, panting away and trying to get the best out of the course is just madness. Having only 2 full time sailors (helmsman & wing trimmer) on a AC boat with 6 people is just ludicrous. "Best sailors in the world", eh, yeah, 33% of them.... rest are guys with most developed biceps (or thighs, in case of TNZ) in the world. And having bikes on a boat.... the speeds: for one, when everybody travels at the same speed, and yes, it is madness skooting down at over 40kn, it's all relative speeds, so you get inured to it. the speeds: maneuvers are very difficult to catch. I tried to show my partner what a dial-down was. There was one in the race, but it was over before I really realised that it had happened, and we could only catch it on rewind and replay. Same with most others.. the pre-start: the big mind-fucks, cat and mouse games, the psych-outs and blow-outs are all gone. Yes, speeds offset some of that tension, but what I've seen sofar was pretty lame in that respect. Oracle in the LVC. Sorry, doesn't work for me. Fuck off Coutts. And before people say "the wow factor of foiling cats": that worked 3 years ago, now every one and the kitchen sink are foiling. The scale of the AC72 had something going for it, and the fact that TNZ managed to get one of those beast to fly. The wing on Dogzilla was a monster. These are just watered down, budget white label versions of those machines. That's not the AC. So no, my heart is not in this AC, like it was in all the previous ones. I'll follow it, but only in the hope that someone sensible wins it, and does something non-sensible with it. Like real match racing in boats created through a tech arms race, fuck the cost, fuck the rules, with surprise creations (bad & good), mad uneven racing, comebacks and clashes, spygames, intrigue and slagging matches, real characters and stories. Oh yeah, and watchable with a mouse or remote control click, not hunting for IP spoofers and dodgy recasters. That will bring in the punters, satisfy the sponsors, and be worthy of the Auld Mug.
  5. Exciting though it looks, I am getting less and less convinced we're going to have good racing. Once they're all up to speed, the actual velocity doesn't matter so much from a viewing perspective. The problem is in the speed difference between good sailing and slightly less good sailing. Time and time again, we've seen a boat coming a little of the foils, and bam: speed difference immediately huge, gap opened, and if nothing else happens, game over. So yeah, that's a challenge: the most consistent team should win. If line speed differences are say +/- 5%, manoeuvres & consistency differences are in the +/- 20-50% (or more, purely fictional figures) range and therefore consistency should win it every time. But does that make for good racing? One slight error and you're out? I'm not sure. Tactics, boat placement etc are all of secondary importance to consistency. And if by doing some fancy moves you plop your boat... So in addition to consistency, conservative sailing helps too. So we'll have to see who the "boring steady Eddie" of the bunch will be!
  6. What an amazing welcome for him! Allez les pompiers!!
  7. He lost his rudder and had a pretty tough time getting a new one back in, in a storm. Read about it here The english is pretty tame, the french reads much more scary. Incredible feat, in my view.
  8. Pictures or it didn't happen - first Dutchie in the VG to round Cape Horn after being discovered by Dutchies 401 years ago. "Seeing Cape Horn is very special and emotionally. I drank a bit of rum to celebrate." "The boat is doing well, and the sails are doing well. But my heater broke down today". "I will need another month to finish." Source (in Dutch) "And his autopilot only works on compass, not wind direction, so that means not a lot of sleep during shifty wind periods, such as now" Looks like what happened to Alex... (EDIT) - but an awful lot slower of course...... ;-)
  9. French press telling it's Djokovic (ALC) v/s Wavrinka (AT) ?? I didn't know Stan was Welsh....who knew...?... Well Stan is actually from Romandie, and in German Switzerland, that is called "Welschland" or the language "Welsch".... Welsch, das in der Romandie gesprochene Schweizer Französisch
  10. In current similar winds, ALC seems consistently 2 kn faster than AT on his favoured side? Lower TWS threshold for foiling for ALC?
  11. That must be the seamanship feat of the race!!
  12. As a thank you for the entertainment and information I had reading this thread I tried to translate what Roura sent to the Vendee site as the english translation on the official site is a bit minimal. Sorry if the english is not perfect, but it is late and i tried to keep it close the the original. Getting a rudder installed when dangling off a boat in 6m waves for 30 min seems quite an achievement.
  13. Is it just me, but has Yes We Cam moored up somewhere nice and calm? The boat's hardly moving and the curtains are drawn. You could imagine a nice view of some trees or a harbour crane :-) out there. PS - trying to find instructions on how to embed a video, but only found reference to "embed media" icon, which I can't see...
  14. Indeed, he even tied onto that one, to effect repairs. Why does Romain have to go all the way to Simonstown to find a buoy to moor to, when he could just lash up to the nearest convenient container and fix his rudders there :-) !
  15. Fantastic footage, hats of to both the guy scampering about dangerously like a monkey and the guy safely ensconced in his cockpit! To my fairly layman's eye, it does look like Alex is pushing the boat close to the limit, whereas Armel still has a buffer in terms of gears left and stress on the boat. BP looks positively serene compared to HBs bucking bronco! That could really start telling when the conditions get more marginal. That said, HB looks like she's enjoying herself :-)