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    J111 Worlds Chicago, IL

    Good question, I have no idea. It seems fairly open to interpretation to me. We had a discussion about this, I would say that if it was a new boat then the resale probably would have been compromised however it was an older J111 so I would doubt there would be any effect to resale value. I would say that they didn't go backwards at all, what the video doesn't show and they never show very well are some pretty sharp waves. I think they came off the back of a sharp wave and what looks like them shooting backwards is actually just what any boat of this size would do when slammed off a wave. One thing I don't want out of here is for Shamrock to get dragged into the shit. They sailed an awesome race, they sailed some other awesome races as well in what was a tough fleet. We all have fuckups every now and again, Shamrock had a bad drop in this instance and just ended up slow, if they weren't so slow at that point they would have come off that wave better and probably wouldn't have slowed as much as they did and we wouldn't even be talking about this now. It's a bit like the swiss cheese analogy, in this case all the holes just lined up and the shit hit the fan. It's yachting, these things happen. One thing that I'm personally surprised about is why more boats didn't have drop strings, you can see how easy it made it for us in this situation to get our kite down cleanly where Shamrock and many other boats didn't have them and occasionally had a much harder time getting their kites down.
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    J111 Worlds Chicago, IL

    There is an interpretation on RRS 44.1 which was requested by San Diego Yacht Club, in this there are the following questions. Questions to consider may include: (1) Did the damage put the safety of the crew at risk? In my opinion, no. (2) Did the damage include a hole in the boat which compromised the integrity of the hull? In my opinion, no. While there was a hole which let water in it was insignificant enough that Shamrock managed to finish that race and the next race without making any actions to fix it, they then fixed it overnight with tape. While there was a hole, whether or not it compromised the integrity of the hull could be argued. What constitutes structural integrity? I would be interested to hear from a judge regarding this one, my personal though is that is the boat might structurally fail then that's compromised integrity where if they can fix it well enough to race with some tape then that wouldn't constitute compromised integrity. (3) Did the damage adversely impact the boat’s sailing performance in a significant way? In my opinion, no. Shamrock got their second best score of the regatta in the following race. If you say that in that race they could have potentially been first you could say their third best score. (4) Will the cost of repairing the damage be a significant amount relative to the market value of the boat? In my opinion, no. (5) Will the value of the boat after repairing the damage be significantly diminished? In my opinion, no. Yes, the video was used as evidence. Not sure on 22.3, personally I don't think that was applicable. I would argue that Shamrock wasn't above close hauled. With everything they had going on they could have been below close hauled and still have sails flapping from not enough mainsheet or barberhauler on the jib. I want to be very clear in this, these are just my opinions. Not necessarily those held by the rest of the crew or Rod. As I said above, I would be interested to hear from a judge on this one, it's a fairly interesting/complex scenario that lessons can be learnt from on all sides.
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    J111 Worlds Chicago, IL

    Possibly, it's hard to know. They came up pretty hard and quick, at the time the bear away was the best option. We only hit them about a foot forward of the transom so we almost made it, almost doesn't quite cut it though when it comes to avoiding boats.
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    J111 Worlds Chicago, IL

    Just my two bobs, I was the bowman on Joust for this. As you've all seen, Shamrock had a shocker of a drop and we had a fairly good one. We didn't notice how bad their drop was going, as we were coming up we were looking pretty good to just follow them around the bottom mark. We eventually noticed that they had slowed and almost stopped in front of us, you can see the point where Rod tries to bear away but it was just too late in the end, from my vantage on the bow I can confirm that the skipper of Shamrock definitely wasn't off his feet until we hit them, that was all us. Shamrock continued on racing and we got clear, did our turns and continued racing; I think we ended up 6th after all of that. We approached Shamrock after the race finished, offered our apologies and asked them if everyone was okay. We both continued on to sail in the next race and Rod went straight over to see them once they got into the dock. The protest from Shamrock was for Rule 14, we were cleared as being okay and doing what we could to avoid and it was also noted that we admitted our fault and completed our turns, the DSQ was for rule 44.1. The second protest was because we had floated the idea as a crew of appealing the decision based on the definition of 'serious damage', we then all spoke to the crew off Shamrock on the dock that morning and withdrew our appeal once we found out about the skippers injuries. In the end, shit happens and this is one of those scenarios where it's easy to say what we should have done at the end of the day after watching the video. The good things that came out of this are that no one was really seriously injured and that the boats are still around to sail another day.
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    Melbourne Big Boat Fleet

    Didn't look too bad, just stick the pointy bit back on and stay calm... Feel free to expand on what exactly happened with the dolls nose. I didn't notice that they broke anything.
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    Melbourne Big Boat Fleet

    they are doing a sanya as far as I know
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    Melbourne Big Boat Fleet

    Well at least she's still afloat! Another from the same builder allegedly suffering what has been described as significant delam, taking water (again) just outside the heads on her way to Syd a couple of days ago. Rushed back to SYC and rapidly hauled out, it appears her program is in disarray. That's a real shame for RD. Thats a shame for SR, there was a similar delamination issue in Sydney last December before the Hobart race? Yes, Same deal. I had a look yesterday, there is a patch about 0.5m x 0.5m about one meter back from the bow just off on the port side of the centreline that is delaminated, then from the back of that there is a crack running right back to about a meter in front of the keel. Nasty to look at He needs to get the Sanya boys in, they will know what to do.
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    Melbourne Big Boat Fleet

    yea, he outed himself in a couple of other threads What Simon is this... I'm trying to work it out... It's too bloody early for this.
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    Melbourne Big Boat Fleet

    yacht - are you able to cite the offence provision? BTW - the correct citation for the Act would be the Commonwealth Navigation Act 1912. To incorrectly cite the Act makes me think you are probably wrong also about the offence, but I'm happy to be proved wrong. Yes was told several times by the people at Pains Wessex , now chemring, and during several SSSC. Could well be the Com Nav act 1912.I did not look it up. I am not saying do not let off expired flares,well yes I am, but do not advertise that you are going to do so. The fact that this flare let off has been run probably since before I was born and is run with the full permission of the coast guard who impose a small window in which they can be let off suggests to me that it is allowed. Could be wrong though.
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    Melbourne Big Boat Fleet

    You can get the full story of the rescue on the ORCV website. My understanding of events as I saw/heard them Liferaft was washed overboard earlier in the race. All 6 beacons went off at once and were all in the same place. The waterpolice, coastguard and the heli were all put into operation and trybooking.com was called in as well. They were able to give trybooking.com the locations of the sailors every couple of minutes to guide them in, when they got there the heli was above the sailors so trybooking.com could locate them easier. trybooking.com arrived in Port Fairy at about 8am with all the guys on board to a huge reception.
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    Melbourne Big Boat Fleet

    It was horrible out there, bloody scary. Winds were easily 60kts and reaching 70+ at times. The waves were vertical and we were struggling to get up them with motor flat out and storm jib.
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    Seascape 27

    I dunno... Pogo structures seem to have managed fine with it... Pogo 30 (only concept right now) Pogo 10,50 (built) Pogo 12,50 (built) and now the Pogo 50 (under development) I'n not completely sure on this but I think the keel on the Seascape 27 could be rope and pulley to lift it up meaning that if you hit ground it wont be pushing against a ram to swing up. This boat isnt like a 3.9 metre beam "sometimes trailable with special permit and always launch in protected conditions with the club crane type of boat." Its designed to be a street legal towable with the family 4wd, with a maximum beam of 2.54m and usable at most boat ramps. No doubt there are some premium boatramps in the world that can accommodate it with extendable trailer drawbar when the tide is right, but there are serious disadvantages in thinking that trailable yachts this big dont exert huge forces. For example, I saw a duncanson 25 that was trying to be launched at Snowdens Beach once. The trailer bogged quickly, so he uncoupled, approached the trailer from an angle, with a long rope, gunned the 4wd, and promptly ripped all 4 boat trailer tyres off their rims... They were well and truly bogged. When you design a trailable yacht this size, you need to talk to guys who have built, owned, cruised and raced them in all conditions, including shallow water. Theres enough of us around, and if you want to sell us one, you need to be able to answer the tough questions... I wasn't commenting on the practicality of it, if you read my post again you will notice that I was talking about the mechanism to lift the keel. You seemed very against this type of keel on this type of boat and I was merely saying that 50fters use it so it must work pretty bloody well.
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    Seascape 27

    I dunno... Pogo structures seem to have managed fine with it... Pogo 30 (only concept right now) Pogo 10,50 (built) Pogo 12,50 (built) and now the Pogo 50 (under development) I'n not completely sure on this but I think the keel on the Seascape 27 could be rope and pulley to lift it up meaning that if you hit ground it wont be pushing against a ram to swing up.
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    Melbourne Big Boat Fleet

    Not a bloody thing, but I thought the fenders being left out for so long was worthy of being put on SA
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    Melbourne Big Boat Fleet

    As seen yesterday a good ten minutes after they headed out from their pen.