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  1. Teams?

    I thought the NYSC ruled that the Great Lakes did indeed qualify as an "arm of the sea" when Buddy Melges brought his Heart of America Challenge to Fremantle in 1987 under the burgee of the Chicago Yacht Club...
  2. Teams?

    This was already covered... Dennis Connor did it in '87, albeit with an entirely different team he and Malin Burnham built from the ground up under the burgee of SDYC. Team New Zealand did it as well. Same yacht club and mostly similar team to the group that lost it. I sincerely doubt that Larry Ellison and Oracle will be back in the America's Cup. As I stated above, LE checked the box on his bucket list and he'll move on to the next challenge he has set for himself there.
  3. Teams?

    Oracle - Larry checked off the box on his bucket list with DoGzilla. My guess is that he moves onto the next challenge on his list. OUT BAR - I think Sir Ben wants to play but he won't find the funding to mount a viable campaign and will eventually drop rather than be a bottom feeder. OUT Groupama TF - They won't enter in a monohull. OUT SB TJ - ORTUSA2.0 has lost all funding and technical support. OUT Artemis - With Dalts throwing up his nationality wall (fence, caution tape or whatever), they won't be able to keep their sailing team together and still comply and compete. OUT Alinghi - I think Ernie's lost his taste for the Cup and remains on the beach. OUT Luna Rossa - Mr. Prada is going to outspend ETNZ 2-to-1 minimum in an effort to check the box on his bucket list. And he'll remind Dalts at every turn that without his support, true or not, ETNZ would have never made it to Bermuda. He'll also cover his condoms in sand right before he rams his cock up Dalts' ass every night... IN ETNZ - will spend the next 4 years sucking the dicks of anyone who will give them money, all the while, taking it up the ass from their CoR and sodomizing the NZ taxpayers... IN They might get one or two other challengers, but none with any real chance to win. But as bad as it will get for ETNZ, that's nothing compared to the ass reaming the NZ taxpayers have coming to them... From a number of teams perspective, it will look a lot like SF in AC 34 except the boats won't be nearly as fast or interesting... Larry and Russell fucked up a ton in the AC, but they did make strides toward making it marketable. Personally, I liked the short quick races as it was easy to take a quick break at work and catch a race, but at the same time I did hate the whole racing in a box concept. Sponsors aren't going to pay big money for an event with little to no exposure. We see it here in the US in stock car racing. Sponsors want to be seen out front and in Victory Lane. If the teams they are backing don't get the job done, they either walk away entirely or jump to a mega team with competitive entries. If the leaks are to be believed, the steps ETNZ and Luna Rossa are taking leading up to AC 36 are moving the event back to where it was a decade ago. Big budgets and only 1 or 2 big dog teams with a shot. Today's economic environment isn't going to support that.
  4. AC36 Auckland NZ

    Not to mention, turn some of NZL's 1st rate boat builders into expats as they are hired away by big money teams to go off and build their boats. Taking the money from building the boat and earning potential out of NZL's economy. Just like designers and sailors in the past, boat builders will become hired guns and travel wherever they need to to grab a paycheck. These aren't the Olympics. Some of the sailors may talk a big national pride game, but at the end of the day, money in the bank will always be more important than the flag on their sleeve. As far as nationality clauses go, they won't bring back huge numbers of challengers and grow the sport, they will only serve to choke it out. NZL and AUS have a ton of sailors with world-class talent, but if there's no money in country for more than one team, all it does is put that talent on the bench. The Corinthian aspect has been out of the America's Cup game for a long time now and it's now purely PROFESSIONAL sailing. Pro athletes follow the money and get paid. If a team in AUS or NZL won't pay a guy or can't put him on a boat, why shouldn't he be able to go to the USA, JPN, ITA, FRA, GBR or SWE for a job? What about guys like Shannon Falcone? He's British by birth, but has lived most of his life in Antigua. He's sailed for ITA and the USA. He was last signed with Luna Rossa to sail for ITA. I guess he's out of the AC since it's highly unlikely that Antigua's going to field a team anytime soon. At least he's got a ride on Comanche. Nationality rules do little more than punish good sailors. The nationality clause ideas always seem to come from Kiwis. They've been whining about it ever since most of their best sailors followed the trail of cash Ernesto Bertarelli left from Auckland to Geneva. Arena sailing made for better tv. It sucked because one sizable wind shift at the wrong moment and the race was all but over, but it kept the boats somewhat engaged with each other. Back in the days of the 12s and the IACCs, the boats could have a mile of lateral separation, come back together for a close cross and go back to being a mile apart again. A 2+-hour race could sometimes have 90 seconds of real action and 2+ hours of PJ Montgomery yelling about how exciting the racing was and how close the 4-knot shit boxes were in speed to one another. I liked the premise under which AC35 was sailed and thought it wasn't perfect, I'm hopeful that it can be tweaked to be even better. The AC50s were cool boats, but the race course needs to be wider and perhaps longer. Although I must admit the 20 minute races did make it easier to watch a race while at work.
  5. Back in 1987 a young Kiwi with what was said to be the fastest boat in the fleet lost to a grizzled vet in a boat built for heavy air that was called ugly by some and a "bloody banana boat" by Ben Lexcen. US-55 made massive speed improvements late in the game, but KZ-7 was still viewed as a better all around boat. Conner used Dickson's inexperience to force him into mistakes and the series wasn't even close. We know ETNZ is fast, but we don't know exactly how fast ORTUSA is right now, If the boats are close in speed, it's going to come down to who makes fewer mistakes. Will Jimmy be able to rattle Peter? Has Peter been holding back on his starts? Do the bikes really give ETNZ an edge? Tune in Saturday to find out!!!!
  6. Live Racing Thread

    Relax, alright? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it.
  7. Team NZ

    He who sails over the line in the final race, wins the Cup. Dean crossed the finish line in the final race of Americas Cup 2000. He was the winning helmsman, he won the Cup and held it high that day. No matter what you say...Dean is an Americas Cup WINNER. Thats it. End of story. By the way, Jimmy hasn't done this yet: I guess then, by your logic, Tarvarius Jackson won the Superbowl for the Seattle Seahawks... Sure, Russell Wilson did all the heavy lifting through the season and the playoffs, played deep into the 4th quarter and had his team up 43-8, but Jackson took them across the finish line... I'm pretty sure with the boat and crew TNZ had for that defense, I could have helmed the final race and won it... Coutts won that America's Cup and graciously gave an up-and-coming Barker a moment of glory that he hasn't replicated since... Barker's record in America's Cup final match races stands at 11-21... He is 1-0 when Russell Coutts hands him a well-oiled machine, top flight crew and a beaten down opponent. He is 10-21 when he has to tune the boat, lead the crew and beat down the opponent on his own... Coutts did win that Americas Cup, I never once said he didn't. He was part of the TEAM that defended the Cup. It wasn't Team Russell Coutts, it was Team New Zealand!! A team which Dean was a part of. Russell DID NOT beat Prada i Race 5, Dean did. Dean is an Americas Cup winner. Who gives a crap wether he's done it since. A statement was made by Semen or finger titan his own anus, or whoever he pretends to be, that Dean had NEVER won an Americas Cup. The record books beg to differ. And yes, if you're part of a winning team, you're a winner. Fair enough, as part of Russell Coutts' TNZ in 2000, Dean Barker did win an AC. That fact can not be disputed. However, since assuming the title of Skipper, he has failed to lead the team to an AC win. He makes a great argument as a bridesmaid, but he never quite gets to the altar on his own merit. You can blame time limits, wind limits, a faulty mast, a flooded cockpit, a failed experimental hull appendage, the defection of TNZ's top talent to Switzerland or anything else you'd like. As Skipper of TNZ/ETNZ's America's Cup team, he lost the AC to Alinghi (0-5) in 2003, failed to win it back against Alinghi (2-5) in 2007 and blew what appeared to be an insurmountable lead (8-1) against Oracle Team USA only to lose 9-8. Don't forget that Oracle had to win 11 of the 19 races to score their 9 points, including the final 7 in a row... To your point, Dean Barker is an America's Cup winner, but it's safe to say that as an America's Cup Skipper, he's been a failure...
  8. Team NZ

    He who sails over the line in the final race, wins the Cup. Dean crossed the finish line in the final race of Americas Cup 2000. He was the winning helmsman, he won the Cup and held it high that day. No matter what you say...Dean is an Americas Cup WINNER. Thats it. End of story. By the way, Jimmy hasn't done this yet: I guess then, by your logic, Tarvarius Jackson won the Superbowl for the Seattle Seahawks... Sure, Russell Wilson did all the heavy lifting through the season and the playoffs, played deep into the 4th quarter and had his team up 43-8, but Jackson took them across the finish line... I'm pretty sure with the boat and crew TNZ had for that defense, I could have helmed the final race and won it... Coutts won that America's Cup and graciously gave an up-and-coming Barker a moment of glory that he hasn't replicated since... Barker's record in America's Cup final match races stands at 11-21... He is 1-0 when Russell Coutts hands him a well-oiled machine, top flight crew and a beaten down opponent. He is 10-21 when he has to tune the boat, lead the crew and beat down the opponent on his own...
  9. Team NZ

    fixed it for him...
  10. That's the 1st S&S built for the '87 campaign. The boat in HHI was never more than a trial horse. Colin Percy owns 5 12's. Three are in St. Maarten (Stars & Stripes (US-55, the actual AC winner), Canada II and True North IV) the other two are in Cozumel, I think (Stars & Stripes (US-56) and True North). He runs a 12-meter challenge thing for tourists. http://www.12metre.com/
  11. Artemis?

    They'll continue on, mark my words... Not for the Cup, but for their fallen brother... RIP Bart... May you find the sun on your face in fair winds and following seas...
  12. Artemis?

    It looks like the foil is still there, it's just up. Horrible news. Looks like massive platform failure. Port hull resting under the starboard one. Thoughts and prayers to the entire crew, especially those injured.
  13. BMW

    I claim this land in the name of Larry Ellison!