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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. For heaven's sake, if Ian wants to highlight selling points, how else is he gonna do it but by comparison, I for one will support him all the way. If people can't take the truth, don't read this blog. The blog is here for all to see the good the bad and the ugly sides of this boat. All can show the bad or ugly side (there must be 1 or 2) and all can show the good side, but just because you can't fault this little jem, don't go crying that it's not fair, Ian is showing us just how better his boat is to mine. Ian, don't change, you have achieved this little beauty because of your perserverence, and your personality, no one's perfect, but you have a boat to be proud of, defend it with all you're worth.
  2. Keep up the good work Ian, I look forward to no 65
  3. Thanks Ian, sounds like you have it under control, (just trying to be patient)
  4. How big a job would it be to fit a curved travellor, as I could see this could simplify tuning the main. Can these travellors be bent or do they have to be manufactured with the curve in them.
  5. Is the traveller curved on the F22, and if not does this have an effect of tightening the main if the traveller is dropped in a gust?
  6. "Can I point out that any time that a boomless setup is eased, or the mainsheet is eased, the sail has no choice but to become deep" I agree, IF the mainsheet is eased. You ease a boomless setup by easing the traveller.
  7. I have never used a boomless main, but am looking forward to when I can. "If Ian could answer how to control lower mainsail shape across all wind ranges whilst underway then he would have half an argument. But he just says its better because its better. Misleading information. I think thats what is getting people upset about all this." I will try to answer this. Hard on the wind say medium airs: Traveller in the middle, mainsheet tension say 80% tight, causing slight depth in main. Hard on the wind say light airs: Traveller up slightly, mainsheet tension say 75% tight, causing same depth in main, here is where maybe a traveller system on the clew may help to allow the top to fall off a bit. Hard on the wind say heavy airs: Traveller down slightly, mainsheet tension say 85 - 90% tight, causing same depth in main, or if the depth to be less, add more mainsheet tension. Here the mainsheet tension is used as an outhaul on a boomed main, the traveller, the angle of the main to the wind. Now Flying a genniker: Traveller down far enough and main eased to give a good depth in the main. If there is too much power in the main reduce the depth by tightening mainsheet, lowering traveller. While using a boomed main I have never had the main out further than the traveller allows, so see no difference with the boomless main.(This is the point that has sold me on a boomless setup) Also Cracked sheets, Traveller down, and mainsheet altered once again to give the depth for drive. I actually think it will be easier to alter the depth in the main with a boomless setup, rather than having an outhaul. If my theory is flawed, please outline it to me
  8. How far along is Ian on your boat? I am boat #6. It is going to the USA. Bill F-22 #6 Bill You are lucky I am boat #65!
  9. Well said, and have to give it a try, so I will be getting my F22 without a boom.
  10. Try it and see what happens... Ian Farrier Farrier Marine Designs that work Hard to believe that this is even being spoken about. The boomless setup might be fine for mum and dad to go cruising with - but if you even mention the word racing and think that a boomless setup is the go you are on drugs. You cannot ever properly control the the depth of the mainsail without a boom. If the boomless main setup worked - then we would all be using it as it would be much lighter and less weight and cost. But it does not work for anything requiring correct mainsail trim - so no one uses it. This subject should be in Cruising Anarchy. So how do you control the depth of your boomless jib? Is the above opinion based on actual fact such as identical designs, with one using a boomless main, and one using a boomed main? We have such a comparison between production F-25Cs, some of which use booms, some boomless, and the fastest F-25C has always been the boomless version. F-25CBoomless.jpg Have you even tried a boomless main? I was once a skeptic, but then tried one, saw how easy they were to handle, and how fast they were. It was obvious right from the start that the F-22 had to have a boomless main, provided I could develop a good roller furling system, which has now been achieved. Ian Farrier Farrier Marine Designs that work No your wrong and your starting to look pretty amateur by arguing this. How do you control your boom less jib? Are you serious...... You move the car for and aft on a track with a purchase system. When you go outboard for reaching, you attach an outboard sheet and tweak it so that you maintain the correct trim. On a proper race boat, you have either an athwartships floating system or an athwartships track that allows you to move your sheeting angle wider and a fly block that is effectively your car fore and aft. Thats how. Are you going to move your mainsheet track fore and aft....... By the way - a typical sheeting angle for a 'boomless jib' is roughly 45 degrees..... Your boomless cruising system is around 75 degrees. Stop arguing this for a racing boat. Its why no one uses it. It does not work. Keep it for Mum Dad and the kids. I don't think you have raced a multi this size without a boom, so it's a bit rich of you to be so condemning of it. (Do you live in NZ by any chance?) I have an F242 with a boom, and honestly, I can't see why this will not work. Even while flying a kite I never have to have the main out further than the traveller allows, so if the mainsheet is pulling the clew back as well as down, there should be no problem.I can get the depth out of the sail by just releasing the mainsheet slightly As it is with a boom, as soon as you go further out than the traveller, because of no vang, the boom does no good anyway. You are wrong with the 75 degree cruising angle, with that you would never use the top of your main. The angle is dependent surely on getting the optimum leech tension as well as the optimum foot tension. The only concern I have here is if these two need to be altered individually and I think not. If overpowered I guess it's learning to release the traveller rather than the main. Any way I am going to give it a go, if it doesn't work, I will add a boom. But rather than criticizing an alternative idea, I will try it first.
  11. the way i see this working would be to have a longer boom that would look strange
  12. Thanks Nuddy and diggler. Iguess my question is, have others with boomless mains found they can't get enough forestay tension. (Thinking now of running the screacher upwind in the light as an example)
  13. On my F242 the mainsheet is used alot to tighten the forestay, helped by the pull of the mainsheet on the boom. Is this lost to an extent because the pull of the mainsheet is at a different angle without a boom?
  14. I agree with you re easing the sails on tacking, but I do a lot of singlehanding, so it's nice to sail without having to alter sheets. Your idea would be easy to try.
  15. Hi nuddy, Do you mean like a windsurfer boom? thanks but I was hoping to simplify the self tacker, and a jib boom seems a bit over the top, but good idea