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  1. Small home built beach cat?

    Home build small beach cat? Youll be wanting the woods designs pixie, seen on this YouTube round the corner from where I grew up: plans can Be bought from: http://www.sailingcatamarans.com/index.php/designs-2/46-beach-cats-and-dinghies/5-pixie-14
  2. DC Designs

    Cheers guys how about the stringer frame boats i.e. as distinct from stressed ply - Machete etc
  3. DC Designs

    Hi All, What scantling is used in the ply only IC's to get a boat down to 50kg sailing weight? I.e shell thickness, bulkhead thickness and spacing. Also Stringer scantling. Cheers!
  4. Legal "Wingmast" for I/14

    Yep that is cuckoo #3. I think a number 4 is imminent. My intent was certainly to get a narrow waterline, but it still measures in as per r.o.f by a mm or two so that part of the intent was met. I think Archie in #2 has been having some race wins and great flashes in all conditions mixed with a load of teething issues. My season has been heavily interrupted by arrival of a second child. I only lined up properly last weekend vs other 14s and again had good spells but was rusty as hell, some rigging errors etc, some changes needed on rig. POW is in a few weeks so hopefully we can be all sorted and get a better idea on performance.
  5. Legal "Wingmast" for I/14

    No sweat - always helps with the motivation / progress when trying to execute one's own silly design and build programs in the midst of a young family!
  6. Legal "Wingmast" for I/14

    Think that you get a really big range of conditions in the U.K, plus there has never been that much culture in 14 of developing condition specific kit, possibly as a result of the expense, people choosing more to try and get the best through the range out of their rigs. You can get 4 seasons in one day here as well. some people run 2 jibs as allowed by rules but it only really opens you up to psyche out when you have to chose one. Seems on the whole that the U.K. Teams are superior internationally over the full range of conditions, with some Aus teams being very good in the breeze, some of the other international teams being strong in the light. Whether that is down to weight or condition specific setup or just skill/style it's hard to tell.
  7. Performance gains without two boat testing

    Sog upwind maybe nearly wind speed up to 10kts in flat water up max to 12 kts on a very good day in wind. Bit footy. Less in waves. Bit more than wind speed downwind but topping out at high teens on vmg angles. biggest top speed instantaneous I've ever seen (by someone else) is 25kts. Think a new one sailed well will just have the better of a well sailed 49er in sub 12 kts, above that 49er rm takes over.
  8. Performance gains without two boat testing

    If you are using a 505 to tune up something is very wrong with your 14 sailing. well sailed 14 tacks thru 50 deg ish give or take I don't think that's far off beach cat with dagger territory.
  9. Performance gains without two boat testing

    Yeah time on water in a rigorous fashion focusing on going round corners, going through modes and gears whilst under pressure will make you better at sailing and yield decent results as long as your tactics are sound. I'll be honest for assessing developmental gains, apart from trusting your backside (ie seat of the pants feel) I think that apart from a very serious multi channel acquisition syTem and post processing capability, everything else is pretty dodgy at best. Its very easy to get another half knot letting some vang off, which won't be easy to associate with a couple degrees less height unless you have some very clever measuring stuff. Thinking laterally do you know anyone local with a 49er to line up with? Or a fastsh beach cat? A 14 should do a hobie 16 upwind but an f18 would probs do the 14. Maybe something in between.
  10. Legal "Wingmast" for I/14

    Ben Gs effort is really first class I chanced upon his blog a while ago. Well considered design really nicely done execution - I hope he is getting lots of fun from her. Its bloody interesting this whole subject, and something I have dabbled in a bit with varied results. I think that the 6 masts 6 sails thing is a decent if conservative basis if you are going for an entirely new rig concept. You get to a paretos law situation ie the first 80% of results come from the first 20% of effort, The last 20, or realistically 10% towards perfection, whatever that is is the hard bit. Obv if you are just having a go at a sail only that is a different story. A good product for smod use will require a lot less finessing than getting last 1% performance in a development class. The effort for smod is in designing enough cost out whilst keeping sufficient capability. I think that if the sailor or owner of the process is either a sailmaker or engineer, the process can happen a fair bit quicker. Similarly if the sailor or sailors have a really keen engaged sailmaker/ spar maker on board (often but by no means always a function of potential earnings ) then that can significantly expedite things. if it's just a sailor or sailors pushing shit up hills with an Unengaged sailmaker/ spar maker then it's a bit of a case of how many monkeys with typewriters are needed to write the collected works of Shakespeare. These days some bigger lofts and spar makers have sophisticated software that can do coupled aero and structural calcs that can significantly fast track these sort of wholesale rather than incremental developments. In big boats they make a lot of use of that, but as you get smaller the cost of making prototypes becomes competitive. Of course as with all software, rubbish in rubbish out so somebody has to know what they are doing and what they are aiming for. Absolutely agree that if results on water are your primary concern leave all this shit well alone and cherry pick what someone else has done once it's mature and demonstrably better than what went before.
  11. Legal "Wingmast" for I/14

    Yep think you aren't allowed a rotating mast in the rules. General good sense indicates that if you do anything that compromises bend and sail shape then its a waste of time, and if you did run a rotating mast (outside class) then you have different bends at different rotations. I guess cats manage it. Plus in 14s if you know a good sailmaker they can cut something appropriately, but it'll probs take a few goes. I14s need to run high rig tensions too as the shroud base is narrow compared to a cat and a fairly big jib to keep a straight luff on. That would not make rotation any easier. Then you are running something like 400kg of vang upwind which would make rotating the mast through tacks a right laugh, so you may have to go to a cat style mainsheet on traveller arrangement, somehow. You can get an awful lot of boat cheap with an older i14 But I would urge caution - to do anything like this properly will take ages and cost loads, which is OK if you prefer getting dirty and burning cash more than sailing! I faired in the track on my S3 selden on my i14, and have aero shaped spreader so it looks a bit more wingy, reckon that added ~ 300g and took maybe 10h in total. Possibly an incremental aero gain which is more than wiped out by the myriad shortcomings in my sailing abilities. Dan
  12. do you think the melges 14 will catch on?

    Last summer had 2 of my wife's mates kids out. 6 and 10yrs I think, never sailed before or met me before for that matter. Got them helming, they loved it.
  13. do you think the melges 14 will catch on?

    Not sure how you work that out. Boom height on the D-Zero is more than a Laser so even a tall guy like me has no issues getting through even on max kicker (or vang as you like to call it). The zero, like it's prototype was always intended to be a bathing suit off the beach boat first and foremost and is perfectly suited to that application. Myself and plenty of owners enjoy taking wives and / or kids (in my case just turned 2 at her youngest) out sailing in the zero. It was launched at the end of a uk winter and consequently getting anyone to take one out in the grey weather in bikini and 9deg sea temperature for some marketing shots would probably end in a manslaugter charge. It just so happens that the class has a large enthusiastic racing contingent that like to travel to handicap events. Check Minorca sailing for off the beach pics of zero.
  14. crash test dummy

    Clue. It'll bite your head off after it's fucked you.
  15. Your findings are that ally is a bit stronger than g10 in bending and tension. Dare say that the part in question isn't engineered particularly finely I.e wouldn't be sensitive to a weaker material (the Alu part on the bracket has survived use despite extensive corriosion indicating plenty strength margin) but if you were worried you could use a thicker piece of g10 say 25 or 30mm. Half the density of alu so weight will be equivalent. I think in this application its mostly the crush but accepting this isn't a rib transom I'd need to see the outboard bracket to make a better call.