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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Chicago Area III

    I think I’d take the Kia over the Malibu!
  2. Chicago Area III

    How old are the 36.7’s these days? Maybe look at depreciation vs years post launch for better comparison. Or remember that an A4 is always going to be worth more than a Chevy Malibu. :-)
  3. Defender's Warehouse Sale

    Mainly because I've got the HD vision card. I was looking at the GPSMap 722/742 series. Replacing the GPSmap640 which is closer to an auto unit with marine software. The main reason is to get better visibility in the sun. Without my hand cupped over it and nose to the screen, it's hardly visible. I guess i should start a thread to see what might be a comparable alternative..
  4. Defender's Warehouse Sale

    Garmin doesn’t seem to be on their list. Bummer, I needed a new gps/chart plotter for the stinkpot.
  5. Moving the sails in the sky to go around the world

    I think it will work best if you also use full kitesurfing gear, but strap your self to the bow pulpit. The lift from the kite will help counter your forward weight and let the boat surf. Those launches will make getting up the rig easier than a chair and you can avoid getting tangled.
  6. What boat to buy?

    Why not a J88? Mayme not the fanciest for overnight, but doable.
  7. Marina Advice on LIS

    Dacapo is spot on if you want something with close access to NYC. We just joined Huguenot, moving from Glen Island Yacht Club right next door. I wouldn't really have called it a club, but rates were decent and it was simple. Great harbor, and its great having the park right there.
  8. Go for it, they are cool OD boats. Someone has to step up to the plate. Be that guy!
  9. Sailors Powerboat

    You've sure made your mark on this thread, as a turd leaving a unsightly skid mark on an otherwise meritful and interesting discussion of beautiful and fuel efficient vessels. I've never once ignored anyone on this site, and there are a lot of people with pretty special attitudes, but you're pretty close to making the list. I suspect you'll take that as an honor though and will lash back with some toothy response as your blood pressure rises. Let's leave the personal angst and pissing matches aside because I really don't care what cloth your cut from, what mark your making in life, nor do I understand what that has to do with the conversation because we're here to talk boats not about you. Back to the topic of discussion. Here's a pretty boat that as a sailor at heart I could see myself falling for. Who ever said having a fleet of boats to choose the tool of the day has it right. There's a bit difference between a J-class, TP52, Maxi, Moth and the J24. The common thread is that they're all getting us out there on the water and putting a smile on our face. Here's my quiver selection style/purpose Downeaster/Day cruises - MJM 35z / True North 38 or that red beauty earlier in the thread Performance/Getting places/Serious Fishing - Intrepid 407 Center Console / Local fishing & watching races - small dayboat (Trailerable on the small end) - To many good ones to choose, Everglades 295 is pretty nice. S Obnoxiously Big Yacht - Wally 118, do I need to say more? Classics - Take your pick of any 18-30' wooden runabout, I'll gladly take the keys if you'll do the maintenance! Utility - 14' aluminum v-hull or a mid size Zodiac with a 9.9 outboard. if it's got a comfy seat, it can be pretty enjoyable to cruise around on and it's nearly indestructible. As a family of sailors, what's our choice: Cobalt 262 - Trailerable, good for entertaining, tubing/towing. Great swim platform. Large enough from small to large bodies of water. It gets us out on the water. The downfalls, mid speed cruising sucks, it plows, although tabs may help slightly it's never going to be a stellar performer. Enjoy the putter or open her up. It's not that great in larger chop/seas at any speed unless your ready for some a bumpy, wet ride. We mostly anchor and swim or run to a nearby bay/port for lunch and can take it on vacation. It does the job. As a sailor, I tend to like to go places, be on the move, and enjoy the scenery. Therefore ride quality and efficiency probably factor into what would be ideal for me. I'd love a boat that was 1) In budget 2) Managed mid speed cruising more comfortably, with a top end about 35kts and range of 200mi+ 3) was easy on the eyes, and 4) had creature comforts for good day on the water. Unfortunately, there usually seems to be a couple boxes where a compromise is needed.
  10. Sailors Powerboat

    Both the cat & the tri! These are the first non-traditional boats i've seen in the thread which I actually like. The cat reminds me of a taller more seaworthy version of the cats they use to coach the rowers on the rivers.
  11. Sailing is cheap

    HA- I was just going to write the exact same thing! Or it can be EXPENSIVE! It is what you make it.
  12. Sailors Powerboat

    Dumb question, but what's the sail for? Does it help with the motion, or stabilize at anchorage? Starting to head to Mac26 territory if you ask me.
  13. Sailors Powerboat

    One of the smoothest most refined rides ever in a run about was in a 30' Hacker-Craft. These wood boats are beauties!
  14. Sailors Powerboat

    Cool approach on the retractable amas. This has turned into quite the hypermiler thread which is interesting. I'd take Bob Perry's more traditional design any day over this, but then again, my idea of good days on the water is not covering distance at moderate speed. That's what sailing if for. Farleydoodle - That San Juan is BEAUTIFUL! I've always been a fan of the picnic boats and really like what MJM has done to modernize with an eye to fuel conservation. Open checkbook for a powerboat and it would be a nice new MJM with outboards, closely followed by the True North, just because I love the lines.
  15. what is it?

    Most definitely on the lack of a nav station. Less people doesn’t equate to a need to more rudders, the shape of the hull should drive that. Less weight and to maintain on a single. tiller option would be cool, but At the price point quoted, I doubt you have much say. Options=$$$$ and add up Quick. My bug bug question is the rig. Carbon?