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Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules. Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo. Warning and or timeout for a first offense. PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members. See above for penalties. Caveat: if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods. We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post. We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking. There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious. There is no standard, we will know it when we see it. If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining. Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious. Deal with it. Welcome to anarchy. If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to. They will be explained to you soon enough.
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Your response is probably exactly why NYYC wanted only one sailmarker, and North has the inside track there. If there's multiple sailmakers then there is going to be big development program for the sails = expensive for the owners. Example : I know someone who was one of the first owners of a Melges 32. It was fun for about a year, then all he felt like he was doing was paying for sail development costs for brand X, and got sick and tired of being treated disrespectfully by one of the rock star sailmakers. So now he's got a casual club program on a cruising boat, spends no money on sails, and instead spends money on fuel for his new powerboat. So yeah, whine all you want, but it's sailmakers that are largely the problem with "growing the sport" (god I hate that term. What, is there a farmer with a seed that magically sprouts up new boat owners?) Best salesman a powerboat dealership has these days are sailmakers.
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If they could bring the boats into measurement compliance easily, I'm sure the measurers would have allowed them to do so. Do you understand who got flicked, and the position their family(ies) hold in the sport in Italy? The only way a couple of these boats get flicked is for flat out cheating because the repercussions of flicking a couple of these guys for just being a bit of compliance when it would be easy to remedy would just never happen.
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The real problem is not Nacra engineering, it is the massive overblown ego and greed of the people who run world sailing that ignored their own regulations to allow this boat into the Olympics in the first place. There's also the issue of Nacra being a monopoly supplier.
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Then why are you here?
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You can't go home again. The BCYC party was played out. Find another venue, just take over some place like 333, lots of cougars there, they they tend to be of decent quality, so woody will have to look elsewhere for his blown out gold diggers. Short of significant cash prizes, I'm not sure there is much that can be done to really increase the number of competitors substantially. The pool of racing boats in SoCal that are sufficiently prepared and capable of any offshore race is a very small number these days. Are there even 500 active PHRF boats racing in SoCal these days? It's a cultural problem more than anything.
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That's really awesome. Great work, and you have wife of the year.
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He is very qualified to speak on the subject.
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At least a heavy #1, a couple of staysails, for this boat a blooper. And I'll guess you are thinking Dacron, because carbon will be substantially more, and these numbers are probably light for Dacron.
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Just needs someone with a checkbook. Where's Bill Koch when you need him.
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Yes Genny is great in front of the camera, very good producer too. The video tribute she produced of Bart Simpson was outstanding. How much cooler would it be if she was driving a boat? She's plenty qualified.
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Oracle is going to know all that anyway. Artemis will give them the same data if they lose to the kiwis. It is Artemis' best interest for Oracle to win if they don't. Kiwis win and everything gets reset.
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One thing is for sure, the J70 class will be looking for a home to fill this gap. Maybe Melges 24 too.
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This is a case of the RC thinking they matter more than the customers. anyone who says the rules are rules and this boat shouldn't be scored needs to get off their soapbox and go get a job as a mall cop, because that's about how bright you are. Is anyone in this class complaining because a boat had a rating certificate that accurately reflected the boats rating, but the money for the certificate was paid to a different rating entity a few miles away? Some people in this sport are in serious need of an enema. Mall Cop. I think I'm going to get stickers made up with that, and slap it on people who work to make it harder to get more people on the race course.
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How else is your time supposed to be spent? Always in pursuit of money? Always doing something to improve your house? Always doing something to serve your wife? There are some aspects of online activity that are a waste of time, or otherwise really negative. People do need to socialize, some do it in a bar, some do it elsewhere, some get beneficial socialization here. I stay in the shadows mostly, but for me this place generally works in a couple of ways. I learn a lot about things I never knew about, or otherwise never considered. I try to avoid those who are negative and/or nasty. I count your posts as being very responsible and beneficial. I really appreciate the contribution you make here. My world isn't so bright these days, and seeing you and others do and say the things do in this place helps get me through the day a little bit easier. Please tell your wife that your contributions here matter more than she knows.