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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Our enemy is within the gates. How many times have the GOP fought against healthcare for millions? Why is it Trump thinks he can play such games with people's lives? I cannot believe the arrogance of this party, of this administration, and of this twisted little man. The AHCA is not just legislation passed by Democrats, it is not just Obama's signature legacy, it has become an important way Americans receive healthcare insurance. For personal glory, as a vendetta, for ideology or because of stubbornness, American leaders are harming the lives of American citizens.
  2. I think I'm overextended on this one, and am being way unfair to TMSAIL. I've been thinking about my rant, and have realized it is misplaced. I do owe him an apology. And I'll work on one, send it PM. Publicly, I'd like to back away from addressing this assault at him. That these thoughts have been boiling away in me and I vented my spleen at him was unfair, and a mark against my character. I will strive to do better in the future. Sorry guys, my fingers got excited, and I forgot that the folks I spar with are real on the other side of the thread. We are all Americans, I am a shit if I do this crap without striving for better. Enjoy your Memorial Day Weekend TMSAIL, and my respects to all who served.
  3. Uh huh. You love your country. I think you love what your country can do for you. You continue to support a man who divulges secrets to the Russians. Disgusts us with his words, deeds, business ethics, lack of knowledge & nepotism. He accepts emoluments from foreign powers and refuses to adhere to accepted ethical practices that have been honored by all modern presidents. He is both lease holder and renter of our national property. Payments to that hotel ... occasionally whole floors for weeks at a time from foreign powers... go straight into his pockets, and he won't divulge a thing, just as he won't disclose the names of lobbyists needing his special permission to lead our government. He appoints amateurs to high office, celebrates those who would destroy the purpose of the institutions that have been set up by members of both parties at great legislative effort and having achieved towering success. Just look at the Los Angeles skyline... and then remember the smog of the 1985. He demands loyalty to him above loyalty to the law. He was only elected as the result of decades of frivolous hearings, strange FBI machinations, voter suppression in several states and national gerrymandering. And your party, seeking, above all else, to give the rich a tax break by stripping healthcare from millions of average Americans. Thousands of families will be bankrupted by disease, parents will be forced to choose between feeding their kids and getting the medicine they need. Food stamps will be slashed, so the working poor will be the working hungry poor, unless you see Wal*Mart suddenly increasing their wages out of pity. Fat chance. The Waltons will be cashing the tax rebates and investing them in for-profit schools which will gradually replace public schools. And they will be free to keep out the black kids, the lesbians & the freaks because Betty De Vos (insecure cousin of Cruella?) says its ok to discriminate. Your people will strip these families of affordable healthcare all the while blaming the "imploding ACA" that never had a chance to work properly because bipartisan cooperation didn't extend to negotiating as a united front against Big Pharma and insurance behemoths. In fact, at every turn Obamacare was assaulted under every legal pretext (most found unconstitutional), and every political trick was pulled, at great cost to citizens of red states & to the stability of the insurance market. You whine that I exclude you, but are blind to the impulses that move the GOP to cripple, with glee, all the many ways the US government seeks to give all citizens an opportunity for success. You dress it up with "assistance only keeps them in chains" and such crap, but never speak about the ways public works, infrastructure, mass transit and high quality public education can free people from those chains. The GOP denies that their healthcare legislation is yet another way to crush families they don't care about. Deny that money spent on major infrastructure projects put citizens to work. Argue instead that more money should be awarded to the 1% so they can "make jobs". The war on science, on truth, on voting rights, on the sociological changes that are inevitably going to change our country all speak to a party with no moral basis for leadership. Denying the global climate change that truly requires a national effort to enable our country to withstand the coming century. Defunding the institutions which could help protect us against the next pandemic. Creating the circumstances for rebellion with every helping push to the wage gap. Enriching the aristocracy at the direct expense of the citizenry. Contemptible ethics. Betraying secrets to foreign powers in the oval office. I'm sorry, I see all this as betraying the goals and ideals of America. I think you personally benefit from these policies; I think you benefit from white supremacy, can afford healthcare, don't need mass transit and are cool with black men shooting black men as long as it doesn't spread to the 'burbs. You wrap yourself in the flag, but don't give a shit about 60% of the population. Inclusion to you means membership in a yacht club. TMSAIL, if I wanted to level "the harshest insult" on you, I would have said you were contemptible. I would have said you were a bad husband or father. Instead, I just think that having achieved the American Dream, you are now rent seeking. A true patriot would want more & more Americans to achieve success, and argue for the people and policies which could create that. The GOP has no such platform, no shared vision for American progress. You have no such vision, for you would rather see others suffer so that you might remain comfortable. This is betraying the idea of America. You do not believe in America, at least not the one I learned about in civics classes and history books. Go ahead & burn the flag, pal, it's only as unpatriotic as everything else your party wants and is tolerating in our president. You demean American patriotism by claiming to embody it.
  4. Cheesy, (I spelled it "Chessy", but my iPhone suggested this pun) I think you are being just a wee bit dramatic. Stop your Conservative whining and face some facts. First: these statues are not history. They are art placed in public locations. Much of actual history can be found in museums and in books. You can move these statues to other locations so as to not lose a thing. Moving these statues does not constitute forgetting our past, is is a civic decision of how to decorate a town. Second: the attitudes that need to be changed are those of the people arguing to keep the statues where they are, preserving their original intent alive: enforcing white supremacy in the south and glorifying a hated system of enslaving blacks. Moving the statues against their objections tells anyone clinging to old ideas that their ideas literally "belong in a museum." Finally, churches are not on public land. They are private institutions and are free to fly their symbols because of the Establishment Clause. Slow your breathing, Ches. Relax. These are just statues coming down, not the end of humanity or American culture. In any event, they will most likely survive longer wherever they are going because NOLA is gonna be under water in 30 years anyways.
  5. Just "Trump" works for me, represents all that is lower class, stupid, irresponsible and cheap.
  6. ..."Too bad your patriotism has been supplanted by love of party and willful ignorance of the damage done to American democratic institutions by shrill mouthpieces spewing hate."
  7. TMSAIL: You are arguing a different point, so you can win the argument with yourself. Congratulations! And no, understanding why Hillary lost is useful. Not only because Dems can avoid similar mistakes in the future, but also Republicans can see what comes of gerrymandering, vote suppression, vilification of opposition leaders, and listening/repeating/reveling in false news. People go to pizza shops with guns, decent leaders have their careers ruined, and you install incompetent buffoons in the white house. Furthermore, it seems that the Russians had the motive, the means, and the opportunity to fuck with our electoral system. You were the victim of their efforts, as were we all. Doesn't it bug you that opponent foreign powers are cheering your views? In fact, many of the ideas you think your own were propagated by mouthpieces serving the Russian Bear. Too bad your patriotism has been supplanted by love of party and willful ignorance of the damage done to American democratic institutions by shrill mouthpieces spewing hate. People have served and died in service against the Soviet empire, against the KBG and FSB. Your orange God whispers state secrets in their ears and you cheer him on. You sir, are a traitor. You betray American ideals of democracy, fair play, truth, and you disgrace my flag. I'm glad that patriots like Obama, Brennan, Sanders and Comey stand up for truth. I'm glad that Mayor Landrieu speaks for African Americans and others disgusted by symbols of oppression and violent rebellion against our nation. I'm glad Senator Warren fights the powerful banking system, which seemingly works to enslave our citizens. I'm glad Judge Thomas voted against disenfranchising blacks. They are all much, much better men and patriots than you. I cannot forget Hillary Clinton, who worked diligently as Sec State and as a Senator, & who dwarfs your meager intellectual and moral abilities. Please, TMSAIL, learn once again what it means to be a proud American. You have lost your way.
  8. Hillary was vilified for more than a decade by the FOX News crack team, back when they were in full misogyny flower. Back when Roger was at the top of his game, Bill O was groping starlets yearning to read the news, and Rupert was chortling in the background. This selfsame network is still peddling made up news about the Seth Rich death, after it has been shown to be willful misreporting. Please recall. She testified for 11 hours, and gave as good as she got. Never took the fifth, as Trump's appointees are already choosing to do! Never found guilty of anything. Apologized for problems with email security which do not compare to fucking TELLING SECRETS TO SOVIET SPIES IN THE OVAL OFFICE. You are trying to compare Mt Rushmore to a ballpark bobble head giveaway. That she was flawed is without question. Could she have run a better campaign? Obviously. But she WON the popular vote and that fact alone crushes your pathetic attempt to paint her as a non viable candidate. Please try again. But, please try harder, and remember those pesky facts get in the way of weak arguments.
  9. A_Guy: you're right. I'm not black. Doesn't mean my perspective is any more "valid" than yours, but I am at least cognizant that these symbols can be viewed very differently by different people walking past. I think you'd rather everyone see them the same way you do: historically relevant, but ultimately just pretty concrete, marble, or bronze. But the fact is, art _does_ matter. Whether murals telling the story of MLK on Lancaster Avenue, or Mount Rushmore making immortal a few great presidents, America has decided to enshrine our history, ideas, feats of heroism and historical agony in our public spaces. And for one arguing that symbolism _doesn't_ matter, you are spending a great deal of time and energy arguing on this thread. You care more than you admit. And when the leaders of this country seem to be waging a war against the poor, when states are being found guilty of once again disenfranchising blacks, when alt-right white nationalists have the ear of the president, symbols DO matter. People fight for their symbols all the time. Step on the flag and I will punch you. Probably wouldn't get hassled by the cops. To blacks, showing honor and respect to the Confederacy is abhorrent, but if they were to attack a white man in the south over a statue? Look at the legal statistics and understand they are voiceless. They risk getting shot, and the shooter would walk free.
  10. I'm reading a lot of privileged white opinion here. Nothing wrong with that, but it its good to look around and see what's on our walls. Yup, we've got pictures of a lot of white guys on the walls in governmental offices, but, increasingly, we've got women and minorities up there as well. Stick your head in the sand and ignore the growing segment of our population which gives a crap about this sort of imagery, but people do notice if no one up there resembles themselves. They notice if the local law enforcement and judicial system places those who fought for the right to own their ancestors on their walls and in their hearts. That limits their perceived potential to get a fair hearing. They notice if their school is named for the warriors of those who owned whipped and raped the trunk of their family tree. They look at patriotism differently if they are told that a patriot fights for their country, except for these great heroes who fought AGAINST their country. How many statues of King George V do we have in town squares? Ho Chi Minh? Hitler? Why don't we revere other men who fought our country, who represent ideas we find abhorrent? That might very well be the frame of mind of black kids attending Robert E Lee High School, or a Seminole fifth grader reading about Andrew Jackson in a school named after him? So you aren't convinced by the mayor of NOLA, nor do you give him the benefit of the doubt as far as knowing what's in his citizens minds. He's presented the transparent way he and other city officials made the decision, and the rationale. Seems the idea swept the voting of town council. But I'm sure you know better. Much of what leads to our partisan warfare is folks ridiculing others with different opinions, instead of trying to "walk in their shoes." Keep it up: maybe you can be little robot Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reillys and make America Suck Again. Yes, A_Guy, taking down these statues "is just symbolic" that's what a fucking statue is!
  11. The mayor of NOLA, Mitch Landrieu, made an excellent speech that speaks exactly to the issues we are discussing. He gives factual evidence of the decision making process, and makes the case that the statues are being taken down so that all citizens of his city can reach their potential, one that would be limited by living in the shadows of these warriors (but not patriots) of the past.
  12. The only way that these statues have original historical meaning is to remind us of the names of leaders of the Confederacy. If you want original works of Confederate art, you'd have to find it in a book or a museum. As works of art, however, these statues carry heavy baggage. The decision to commission and erect these statues was sociopolitical. It was a reaction to a Civil Rights movement which marked the beginning of the true end of the Civil War. Southern whites who resented their impending loss of officially sanctioned and time honored supremacy needed to impress upon uppity blacks and other minorities that the south will always be different, even if they had the right to vote, attend integrated public schools, and theoretically enjoy the same protections of the law. And so, from a towering height, atop an impressive horse, arrayed with the ribbons and finery of aristocracy, wielding weapons of war, powerful figures of the past glare down at the passerby, invoking fear, dread and anger in some, and stoking rage, feelings of entitlement and nostalgia in others. The removal of these statues is, similarly, a sociopolitical decision. It's a sign that the intended message is old, and doesn't fit those communities anymore. Label it offensive, archaic or Orwellian as you will: leaders of these places don't want their community represented by these messages. The original forts, battlefields, relics, maps, tools, documents and other memorabilia are not under threat from these decisions. Our national bloody history is alive and well. No one is rewriting history by passing laws outlawing study of the past or removing access to Civil War memorabilia or ideas. Works of art are often moved from their original installations. Frequently, moving art or re-interpreting it satisfies some groups and disenfranchises others. And well it should: art teaches us who we are. The discussion of art reveals a great deal about how society feels about ideas, culture and politics. I say, allow local groups to make the decision of what to do with their civic statues. Effort should be made to save the pieces, and put them in museums or at National or State Parks with Civil War relevance to the statues. But these local groups should certainly get to choose which statues grace their streets and parks.
  13. If yelling at a Democrat = Good, and a reasonable sign of protest. If yelling at a Republican = Unpatriotic, the result of poor parenting and a lack of decent social skills. "Throw 'em out! Get 'em out of here!" "We'll pay the legal fees!"
  14. I agree with Spatial Ed. Trump's business and foreign entanglements is the reason the practice was started. Everyone else with such a history or something to hide self-selected themselves out of consideration. Trump bullied his way past the tradition, and if we don't call him on it, it will become the new practice, and the oligarchs will become that much closer to achieving complete domination over our electoral process.
  15. No, I'm on a site called "Political Anarchy." Folks come here to engage in "political debate." What is your problem? You put opinions out there, and I engaged you on them. If you don't like the process, get off the site.