phillysailor

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    Chomsky on COVID19, Trump and neoliberalism

    Aha! That explains your downvote of my rebuttal in another thread. I think your self-censorship is fine. It’s not hurting anyone. But I’d caution against becoming too doctrinaire in your reactions towards those who do engage the contrary. I enjoy the sport, and also find more passion and eye-opening viewpoints from those who Sometimes come across as deplorables. I argued against Wofseys time out, partly because this is the land of the sniveling idiots and other annoying anarchists, including me. Today I waded hip deep into local Red State FB territory, and held my own. It was good fun & they really resented my puncturing their safe space. I got called lots of names, but none were truly imaginative nor harmful. I went not to piss them off, but to expose them to a semi rational contrarian. I view your action as inhibiting the very free flow of debate I enjoy. Sort of like folks on the other side of my FB debate who just called me names, posted crappy memes or other such codswallop. I hope you reconsider, and simply do battle with the nuance of argument, not out of personal spite or holding a grudge.
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    Jesus. Haven't you paid attention to the pandemic? Can't you understand the magnification of the R0 in the close confines of shipboard berthing spaces? As the Captain pointed out, even testing has no capability to stop an onboard infection. Let that sink in. Read his letter, he explained the epidemiology very well. He HAD to disembark the entire crew to prevent further spread of the disease. NOTHING else would work. They told him his mission, so he used every means at his disposal to complete his mission. So he channeled his inner Hillary and used email, knowing it would just piss you off! (couldn't resist)
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    I'd say that a nuclear carrier is an awesome tool in our arsenal, unmatched in its ability to reach out and touch someone specific or some nation and introduce them to America's foreign policy, for good or to wreak havoc and destruction. I'd also say that its only just a tool, and is dependent upon the entire system of logistics and training for which the US NAVY is well known and for good reason: our sailors and our equipment is the best in the world. Bear in mind that the carrier is less important than the mission, and less important than the sailors, the fleet and the country. A threat which could strike at those core items (mission, sailors, fleet, country) is the greater threat which must be fought, even at the risk of the carrier. The skipper evidently made the decision that effectively dealing with the threat posed to his sailors, and by extension the fleet and the totality of the armed services by the Coronavirus was more important than the protection his continuing to accept half-assed and contradictory orders would provide America's national security. He decided that he needed to make a stand for all servicemen and military leaders to look to: do not sacrifice your men and women by agreeing with lies and misinformation. Civilian leaders had given him a mission to "eradicate the virus" from his ship, but stripped him of the ability to do so "on any timeline." Writ large, this bullshit was going to be forced upon ALL military commanders. The men and women of the military would see that their protections from the virus were based on bullshit, since Cpt Crozier kindly included the epidemiology which proved it in his resignation letter/letter of protest. Ya want a threat to our national security? I give you all the men and women currently in uniform realizing America's civilians don't give a shit about their welfare in a time of peace.
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    What do you KNOW that justifies your perspective? You'll please note that my first words are "I think"
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    Like most righties, you entirely miss the point. Crozier KNEW he would be cashiered as soon as he wrote that letter. Teddy Roosevelt volunteered to be the one to write that letter DURING wartime (the Spanish American War) because he was the junior officer, the one with the least to lose. The difference was, back then, the American people knew the contract they had with the still-young national troops. Now, Americans tend to take their service and sacrifice for granted. It was a bit more of an experiment back then, and they probably knew how tenuous was the control over good order and discipline a few officers had over the kind of rough men that made up the US Army in 1898. So back then, when Teddy complained to superiors (and leaked a copy of his letter to AP) he knew he'd probably killed his career. Except the American people had his back, and he eventually became president based on this decision and others. He was regarded as a courageous man who wouldn't allow the unnecessary death of his soldiers. Now? Trump lovers remain ignorant of our history & ignore its lessons in order to promulgate lies which support an incompetent, malevolent dictator wanna be. Crozier ain't the problem, Joker. We the people are the problem.
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    I think your transition to civilian life has exposed your inability to decide for yourself the competence of civilian leadership. Too many years saying “yes sir!” and expecting the same from others. You have no right to expect that from me. You will reserve your judgement until Lady Liberty is afire and the warning signs have all faded. I am sure you were a good soldier, though, and I thank you for your service.
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    Promises to the troops: we will keep the Liberty torch lit, meaning the hearth fires of morality, family and honesty are here in America. No matter where you roam, we have your back. You are the tip of the spear and we support you, we will not shed your blood unnecessarily. This became about Trump when he started spewing misinformation about how we had this virus under control, it was going to disappear. It became about him when he jeopardized good order and discipline by pardoning a war criminal and interfering in a most ugly and self serving way with the UCMJ. Yes, I’m sure he knew of, and approves of the cashiering of Crozier. More to the point, it’s another lobbyist who made the decision, this time one from PricewaterhouseCooper. Yes, back in the day a helo pilot. But he’s nobody’s hero. The way the right has taken to singing his song is pathetic, because they’ve abandoned the man in uniform for an appointee.
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    Oh, how some folks like to play high and mighty. I pay my taxes, I read the papers. I can speculate all I want regarding Croziers motives. And it seems you just want to stay on the fence, avoid making a decision. The skipper didn’t have that luxury. He made his choice, and it’s up to the American people to decide if he was right. Not for his career; he has offered that up to us as a sacrifice. Will the American people break our promise to his sailors, tell them his sacrifice & their sacrifice is meaningless? Should we end this experiment? Go full Jeffy and BTBD? Because It’s just too hard, too expensive for America to fight this disease? It’s said that in war, the first casualty is truth. Well, Trump has certainly stuck a spear through that bitch. Shall we next give him our morals to rip asunder? C’mon Chessie. Get off that fence and take a stand.
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    Only difference is that Teddy R was the junior officer at a meeting with superiors who didn't want to risk their careers. As the officer with the least to lose, Col Roosevelt was the one who volunteered to write the letter which cause such consternation back home. His civilian leaders wanted to cashier him, to make an example of him, but the public got wind of it and demanded the president relent. And that's what happened.
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    Want to know who else wrote a letter to their superiors arguing that a pandemic endangered his troops, and that his orders made no sense? Theodore Roosevelt
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    President Kushner

    Trump doesn't trust Jared with his money, just the country's foreign policy and health.
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    US ranked #1 to best deal with a disease outbreak

    PA has closed facilities within state parks, but access to trails and such are open. Park police are on duty, and social distancing is being performed and expected by all. Congregating isn't allowed, I'm sure the police are enforcing that. I've a park a quarter mile away and go running a few times a week. Recently we've switched to hikes, since there are far fewer folks on the trails than on the running path.
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    US ranked #1 to best deal with a disease outbreak

    Have any US scientific authorities declared public parks and open spaces off limits? I thought this was still acceptable and even encouraged. There are a great many psych conditions which are worsened without some outdoors activity, children' health is improved, and physical activity promotes normal mental health and improved immune system function.
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    Trump was right

    He can kill people on 5th Avenue, and his supporters won’t care
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    US ranked #1 to best deal with a disease outbreak

    A much better comparison is with Western Europe, whose pop is 320 million. Back of the napkin math 480,000 cases and 40,000 deaths From the same source, US 277,985 cases, 7,146 deaths
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    I didn’t say he didn’t consult with the department. I stated he didn’t speak to the task force commander, his immediate boss that was on the same ship  It’s certainly possible that Crozier did not want to bring down his colleague down the hall when he emailed the letter that would cause such a reaction. I can only guess at the rapport between the two, but can only imagine a pair of consummate professionals would be working together to best defend America using the assets they commanded. It seems that no focus has been placed on RAML Baker. It’s good they feel confident with him in place, but I would think that such a move by Crozier would normally be judged the fault of his immediate supervisor. I find it interesting that he’s been immediately exonerated. Almost like they know he’s not at fault and they need him. This episode should frighten anyone associated with the military. Why are flag-level officers (& tomorrow’s) quitting the NAVY in protest of civilian leadership? Is our current civilian leadership threatening good order and discipline? What can be done about it? Instead people here are whining about how they “deserve” removal. Wrong focus entirely. They are ignoring these officers warnings entirely, wishing the problem away, just like Trumps early pandemic response.
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    US ranked #1 to best deal with a disease outbreak

    I’m sure the Secret Service have ten or so of those Abbott Lab rapid assays that gives an answer in 5-15 minutes. No way could they have let the bunching of our national leadership occur otherwise. Holding press conferences outside is another way to reduce risks.
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    US ranked #1 to best deal with a disease outbreak

    Just found out a friend in NYC who did my college class notes died today. He ran over 50 marathons. I was emailing him a week ago; he mentioned he’s tested positive but was feeling ok.
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    US ranked #1 to best deal with a disease outbreak

    The hospitalized sick are the ones being tested, so are overall more represented in both categories. Tested, but well enough to stay home is (so far) few in numbers, never tested but in hospital will probably eventually be added to one or both columns, never tested and never that sick is an enormous number that will never be counted... until we get immunity assays. The last category: never tested and not that sick, would vastly change the cases closed by death ratio.
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    What Are You Doing During Your COVID Vacation?

    I like Whistle Pig and Averna with old fashioned bitters. Call it a black Manhattan
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    Captain Crozier

    I interpret Crozier’s action to be a refusal to carry out an improper order. His letter went heavily into the science and epidemiology of fighting a shipboard epidemic. It creates a very public record and ammo for others’ discussion and usage. Not only does it have immediate fleet readiness implications, Croziers letter will reverberate around the entire military. This incident puts all commanders, the Pentagon & civilian leaders on notice that they cannot expect to implement half-assed science and expected full-throated support. Far from it. We have the example of a highly intelligent, ambitious and successful Navy Captain tossing his premier command away in order to save his sailors. Coming on the heels of SevNAV Spencer tossing away his career in order to stand up for the UCMJ? It ain’t mutiny, but IMO command level NAVY is sending strong signals that they are fed up with civilian bullshit.
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    As was discussed in the thread that you deleted (or was it deleted for you?), I was defending the process of medical triage. You are the one who couldn’t accept that your inflammatory labeling of those who would codify such an unfortunately necessary process prevents rational conversation. Its a good point though: why am I treading close to Godwin’s law here? I guess because, as Ed Lada has pointed out, this commander made the decision to force his command leadership to relieve him of command. I’m saying he did this because he felt he was being forced to carry out an illegal order. His refusal, and his public announcement of that refusal/request, insured that his decision would receive widespread attention. My agreement with Croziers decision is irrelevant: whats meaningful is the obvious interpretation of its significance in light of Spencer’s removal and Gallagher’s restoration of rank and privileges. Naval commanders have lost faith in the Commander in Chief and his administration. Sorry if you don’t like that message, but shooting the messenger won’t help deal with that problem.
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    Says you. I think the skipper made a different decision than you have. He made his decision based on his position, his history, and the available information. I think he said, "No, I cannot comply with an order that will kill men and women under my command. If at war, I will fight with the situation onboard, no matter the virus. But in peacetime I must not follow these nonsensical orders. I will destroy my career in order to save sailors. I am not only saving sailors aboard this ship, I am creating a precedent which will save sailors throughout the fleet. My sacrifice will save many lives."
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    Captain of USS Roosevelt fired.

    I'm not arguing that the captain of the TR should have been kept in command. I'm saying he lost faith in his commanders. He was TRYING to make his boss "look bad" in your words, by exposing the hypocrisy of the orders he was given. In his letter requesting assistance, he spoke of how his orders would NEVER achieve the stated goal, "on any timeline." He was given an order that was self-contradicting, not based in science, and obviously political. I get that you think he should just shut up and do it. That he should only use acceptable pathways for complain and communication. The POINT is that he was in command, not you. He understands everything you wrote, and much, much more. He understands that your view of "leadership" is gutless, and leads to Nürenberg trials identifying where good men did nothing, allowing evil to succeed. I have noticed a disturbing trend in the US in the last 20 years of American civilians to fail to accept responsibility for their VOTES when their choices lead to fuck ups. There are plenty of examples out there. That's very disturbing to me.
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    An awesome interactive map of The Sickness in the US

    Those are REALLY cool graphs. There is some good news, too. Daily growth rates of cases and deaths are climbing at a much slower rate in many cities. There are still more and more cases & deaths everyday, but the rate of growth is slowing. Even as testing is becoming more available, detecting a smaller percentage of cases per metro area is a good thing. It'll be several weeks before the numbers of deaths per day is decreasing, but still...