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  1. Desperate for good news before the election, Trump turned to Iran which has stockpiled 8x the amount of nuclear fuel they had under the old nuclear agreement.

    Trump told the Iranians they could have a better deal now, before the election.

    Iran's foreign minister replied, "We had a deal when you entered office..." the other signatories "-never left the table. Your advisers -most fired by now - made a dumb bet. Up to you to decide *when* you want to fix it."

    Kinda clear that Trump is negotiating with yet another foreign power to help himself, otherwise why would he offer a better deal before the election if he were just negotiating for America?

  2. I think Chessy is wrong about prosecuting Trump and his merry band of looters and grifters leading to further divisions of our country. I think it could be done in a way that could teach the country about honor, the rule of law and accountability. It would, however, require the country to step back from prideful hatred of each other, one half impressed by the other's leadership, and the other accounting for wrongs committed. It would have to heal wounds that we've left from insincere underpinnings of necessary foreign wars and decades of arrogant collection of power for its own sake.

    How could this wonderful truth and reconciliation occur? 

    It would have to be instigated and directed by Republicans whose desire to heal the country superseded their thirst for re-election, influence and money.

  3. Anybody who thinks all these marches, all these protestors are out because "George Floyd" is missing the bigger picture of why the judicial system didn't swing into action and arrest his murderers as soon as the video became available. They are discounting the impact of "essential workers" and the unemployed being selected for low pay, pathetically inadequate health insurance and other social safety nets, school disparities and reduced food banks in the time of a pandemic. They aren't wise to the impact of environmental racism or effects of the wealth and wage gap compounded by voter purges and gerrymandering all the minorities out of representation.

    Stop complaining about the effects of these inequities such as crime and dependence on welfare, and vote to improve them.

  4. 1 hour ago, Dog said:

    My outrage is over the damage done to people's communities and lives (many happen to be minorities) I reject the suggestion that that is misplaced.

    You appear to support the choice to “dominate the battlespace” as discussed by the SecDef and which led our president to assign Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff responsibility for responding to violent civil unrest in the nation. 

    He and the DOD have had to backtrack on that last, as the image of the general in fatigues escorting the president through a public park cleared using helicopter down wash and tear gas, stun grenades and pepper spray in accordance with techniques used by military forces to effect crowd control in areas with foreign insurgencies created such an uproar among past & present senior military figures.

    Your outrage is only for the threats to your perceived priorities over what should be ideal: subdued obedience not civic harmony, sanctity of property over sanctity of life, improving civilian behavior vs safe and effective policing.

    Trump last night wanted to use the Insurrection Act of 1807, written to allow the federal government to take over areas lost to slave revolts, in order to impose federal military rule over our cities and states under Democrat leadership.

    If this doesn’t anger you, then you are ignoring the clear and present danger his leadership poses to our democracy.

    Big government, meet @Dog, your biggest supporter of authoritarian rule. 

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  5. I agree with Chessy, and to a lesser extent with Dog. I’ve had personal friends and family quarantine outside NYC because of legitimate concerns of inability to effectively socially distance in crowded living situations, transportation and somewhat limited opportunities for outdoor exercise. They also questioned the safety of hospital environments should they require medical care.

    They are headed back now, but given civil unrest sweeping the nation, are simply given another reason to appreciate more space and a greener backyard.

    I don’t agree with Dog’s assessment of politicians and their responses to civil unrest. Just as the best response to the pandemic was a hard choice, the costs of stepping back from dominating police response saves lives, at the expense of property.

    It seems Dog would prefer harsh escalation of police response to protests and criminal behavior more in line with the militarization of domestic politics characterized by Trumps tweets from his bunker. 

    Violence begets violence. Stores can be rebuilt but eyes which have been blinded, persons wounded and civil rights transgressions are more permanent and serious injuries which could be avoided. Escalating tensions leads to more confrontations, and that’s not smart with a well-armed citizenry, and not a role a first world democracy should embrace.

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  6. At the rate we are giving it away, $14 billion sounds small. 

    A cheaper solution would be to disempower lobbyists, repeal CU, institute electoral reform and stop gerrymandering.

    Once the GOP has to attract the votes of minorities and otherwise more closely represent the people who vote for them, and not just the people they choose to represent, the country will get back on track.

  7. The election will occur on time: If there is no election, the sitting president’s term expires. See the Connie for order of succession.

    The methods of retaining power the GOP is going to try to use are more voter purges and barriers to voting.

    There will be increased pressure to close poll isn’t stations only relatively poor and minority areas, possibly using coronovirus and civil disturbance as pretext. 

    Democrats will, surprisingly, be likely to run afoul of bureaucratic nonsense calling their votes into question & related lawsuits will find their way into the docket of right-leaning judges.

    Outright fraud is less likely, or at least would remain small scale. Accusations that Democrats are doing it are on FOX 24/7

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  8. 19 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

    I've been busy these last couple of days and haven't been online much.  Are there really people here on PA who are condoning the arson and looting??  Really?  I get pent up anger and I'm all for peaceful protests.  But are there really people saying it's ok to loot and burn in LA or Louiseville for something that happened in MN?  If so, a completely sad commentary on America.  

    I don't know what specific posts Dog is referring to, either.

    But I'd say we've been tightening the screws on the poor and lower middle class of this country for decades, and that one of our glaring national security defects is our race relations combined with our ever-increasing wealth and wage gap. We are always fighting the last war, and it takes a nimble mind to prevent a pandemic or suss out a sneak attack. We've just learned how foolhardy it is to disband a pandemic team and devalue scientific experts opinions, but we were just doubling down on the stupid.

    Unfortunately, exploiting and accelerating internal strife is just politics as usual for our president, and our current predicament is entirely predictable. Note I am not condoning violent civil unrest, just saying our country has been laying the groundwork for this debacle since we stripped millions of their equity in 2008 and gave bankers a bonus for turning over their titles to the mortgage companies which fraudulently sold them in the first place. And then watched, with much hand-wringing, as educational scores plummeted in inner cities, arrest rates filled for-profit jails and local coffers with municipal fines and fees. To top it off, universal healthcare was regarded as a bad joke, to be replaced by the GOPs own universal insurance plan which they've since successfully bled dry.

    And now, we are using the pandemic as cover to enrich the rich guys, while millions of renters are going to be evicted. Sans jobs and therefore healthcare. #winning

    Ignoring climate change ain't good fiscal or national security policy, either. But what do I know?

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  9. On 6/1/2020 at 2:26 PM, phillysailor said:

    US Army and US Air Force are specifically prohibited from enforcing domestic laws by the Posse Comitatas Act.

    Coast Guard is a special case.

    Although not specifically mentioned, it is presumed that the marines and Navy aren’t eligible for service on our streets, either.

    Unless martial law, I suppose.




    On 6/1/2020 at 2:30 PM, Grrr... said:

    This is untrue.  I had actually typed up the whole reasoning but just deleted it.

    The president has the ability.  And - typical to what we are seeing with Trump, and the law is written in such a way that if he chooses, it will be a near impossible fight to stop him.

    Presidential Authority to Use US Military Forces
    Here are the current conditions the president can use to deploy US Military Troops on American soil.

    (1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to--

    (A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that--

    (i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and

    (ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or

    (B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).

    (2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that--

    (A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

    (B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

    I guess you missed my line in bold, because what you've described is martial law.

    It's interesting to note that the Insurrection Act of 1807 was written in order to authorize the president to act forcefully to put down slave rebellions.

    That would be Trump's primary legal rationale. A federal law written to cope with slave rebellions, such as the successful rebellion in Haiti beginning in 1791.

    An interesting side note is that the rebellion left France without its economic jewel: the sugar fields of Haiti were some of the most profitable acres in the world at the time. The nascent country created an army led eventually by Toussaint who were able to throw back tens of thousands of British troops sent between 1794 and 1797 to put down the revolution which so frightened European powers who had become dependent on the riches earned on the backs of African slaves.

    In 1800, Napoleon, flush with continental success, turned his eye to reestablishing a beachhead in America. He negotiated a secret truce with Spain, which had frustratingly held onto New Orleans meaning that they controlled all commerce exiting the Mississippi and stymied westward growth across America's south. Spain "retroceded" New Orleans back to France, and Napoleon sent 20,000 men to occupy the city, filling Jefferson with alarm since that force was bigger than the entire US army. He tried to negotiate for the city, but was spared by events back in Haiti.

    Napoleon had sent an enormous nearly 30,000 man army to Haiti, but they quickly ran into military defeats and yellow fever. Although Toussaint was captured, his army fought the French to a standstill, and the climate did the rest. The 20,000 men intended for New Orleans redirected to support them , and they too, were destroyed.

    France had to cease its dreams of American expansion and bargain for solvency: hence, the Louisiana Purchase, in which the land which forms much of 15 states was sold to America for 3 cents an acre.



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  10. On 6/1/2020 at 1:35 PM, Olsonist said:

    I'll bite. This strikes me as a bit of a hero ball. What would Shitstain + crew have to do, what line would they have to cross for you to change your mind?

    Trump being dragged into the street and suffering a street trial?

    Thats a line that America would have to cross. Basically we have to be strong enough as a country to get rid of Trump without having to resort to street justice.

    Whether at the polls or removal by his own administration or the Congress, we have to prove ourselves worthy of freedom.

    Yeah, these are dark days, since I’m not sure we’ve got the stones or enough patriotic Republicans to make sure it happens if it becomes necessary.

    All the good ones have been neutered or fired.

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  11. US Army and US Air Force are specifically prohibited from enforcing domestic laws by the Posse Comitatas Act.

    Coast Guard is a special case.

    Although not specifically mentioned, it is presumed that the marines and Navy aren’t eligible for service on our streets, either.

    Unless martial law, I suppose.



  12. 16 hours ago, BravoBravo said:

    Sad , very sad animal behavior there can be no justification or rationalization... time to enforce the law! 

    The OP is correct.

    The officers who killed Mr Floyd should have been arrested when aurhorites became aware of the video which exposed the nature of the murder and their lies.

    The riots may have been avoided if law and order was quickly enforced.

  13. 58 minutes ago, Raz'r said:


    have you noticed that other countries have guaranteed incomes through the crisis? They have healthcare for everyone? Their minorities aren’t killed at massively high rates compared to the majority?

    Not sure this would survive scrutiny without qualification.  I think you are referring to European country and Aussie/NZ. Not sure income is guaranteed in all these countries, and I would be very interested to see the disparity of minority vs majority demographic killed by police in these countries.

  14. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. These yahoos with guns thought they were protecting society, when in fact they were about to screw it up. Bearing arms while policing society is not easy, nor is it without risk.

    Academy training prepares most individuals for many interactions, daily exercise of these lessons combined with hashing out scenarios with colleagues and rigorous oversight through departmental oversight lead to application of laws and policing tenets becoming more and more likely. That's a system America can trust, despite it's flaws and mistakes.

    Vigilanteism, especially that tinged by racism, is to be viewed with arch skepticism. These self-appointed police did not know a crime was committed, yet felt the threat of deadly force was justified. Holding a gun while purposefully obstructing the movements of another creates a level of danger which needs to be justified, especially if that threat is carried out. 

    The burden of proof that the threat of deadly force was necessary to conduct a citizen's arrest is on these men. If they cannot justify that threat, then the death of Aubrey was unnecessary, and therefore charges warranted.

    To do otherwise is to make America the land of the gun, by the gun and for the gun. People are just there to shoot, bleed and die. Sorry, but I like the original version of the Gettysburg Address.


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  15. 22 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

    I’d put better odds on those two (or three) goobers getting a Presidential Medal of Freedom than a prison sentence. 

    A continuation of the breakdown of law & order thanks to our amoral Republican leadership.

    Incompetent, juvenile judges nominated with ever increasing rapidity to lifetime posts. War criminals exonerated and brought along for campaign stops. Threats and bribes by our chief executive expressly for his own good. Gerrymandering and voter suppression used to prop up tyranny of minority rule and violating any number of traditions in the name of power. Torture, falsifying intelligence estimates to justify unnecessary wars, tax law used to benefit the rich.

    They are leading us down a path I don’t think is good for the nation.

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  16. 7 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

    She'd look better if she weren't so flat-chested. It's very difficult for a woman who is flat-chested to be a 10. Maybe if she sits on Trump's lap and calls him Daddy, he'll send her to the specialist who did Ivanka's tits, they are investment-grade.

    - DSK

    Hey Steamers? Stop judging her like you would a piece of meat. Leave her body out of it. Goes for the rest of us, too. 

    C’mon, this is bullshit.

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  17. The Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into Blue Flame Medical, a firm created by two well-connected Republican operatives who started selling medical supplies this spring as the novel coronavirus spread across the country.

  18. I’ve got to agree with some of what Dog is braying. Trump gives himself enough cover when speaking, largely due to his word salad delivery, that you can find exculpatory statements amidst the damning near-racist tropes. 

    Whats in his heart is clear, given his decades-long antipathy to black people as documented by his attitude towards his renters, the jogger killed in Central Park and the boys who didn’t touch her, the Detestable Birther bullshit, and his Muslim slurs from 9/11 and immigration comments, shithole countries.

    But his public statements have aspects which facilitate the denialism at which Dog excels. Sort of like the boilerplate fine print on credit card “agreements” and rapid delivery disclaimers at the end of gauzy medication ads. 

    Talk long enough, and he could be anywhere & everywhere on an issue, although we all know what he means. @Dog has meager, but adequate grounds to defend his draft dodging hero.

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