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  1. johnfreame

    Dick Moves in Dinghy Racing

    Constantly bitching about the work of people on the committee of the class association or sailing club but refusing to get involved yourself. Also, wearing all new matchy-matchy kit. Or worse wearing team kit outside of the occasion when it needs to be worn. wearing a blue peter badge so that people might ask you why and you can use that as an excuse to mention you won an Olympic medal. team racing.
  2. johnfreame

    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    The foiling safety element is an interesting discussion. I agree it needs it's own thread but I'd wager if you looked at the stats of injuries in sailing per 100 sailing boats or injuries sailing per 100 foiling boats the stats would be interesting. Especially if you allowed for how nearly everyone who ever gets into a foiler is already in the upper tier of sailing ability and would almost never have an accident, let alone even a capsize, in a non-foiling boat. I am talking dinghies here, I wouldn't know to comment on that keel boat thingy above. Speaking from my own experience sailing several high performance boats I've only seen very few injuries sailing non-foilers. Personally, before sailing a moth, the only injury I've had has been either being smacked in the fast by my crews elbow or smacked in the face by a spinnaker pole, or the classic whack on the head from the boom. That hasn't happened in about 25 years. Since buying a moth I've done untold amounts of things to myself and seen many other world class sailors do the same. The shortlist, off the top of my head: - Black eye - Whiplash - Concussion - deep cuts from foils - strained/sprained joints all over the place - Whiplash (see if you can get that in a firefly) - Broken ribs - Broken fingers - Whiplash I've also been at an event where one moth took emergency action to avoid a capsizing I14. The moth's shroud took the T-foil rudder clean off, the skipper was protected by the shroud, and the boat didn't even come off the foil. -Whiplash Crashes definitely happen more often in the hands of far more capable sailors than average. Mass market foiling could be pretty terrifying if you think about it. Another point re-whiplash: In the UK you can get about £2-3,000 (or dollars, they're about the same nowadays) every time you sue after a car crash for whiplash. They are cutting down on it now as it got out of hand and in the UK we think people need to man up. Still, I could imagine the "I'll sue" culture in the states could make coming off the foils on a mass produced boat a healthy industry. How do you mitigate against that?
  3. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    I heard that some of the more capable moth sailors had a go in the Wazsp at foiling week. They said it's slower and that foiling tacks will be unlikely. They certainly won't tack like an exocet that's for sure. I don't think it makes learning any different though. It won't affect gybing much. There's so much margin for error on gybes that even bad moths with bad sailors foil gybe in any weather. Besides, does the tacking difference matter? I think it might even be a real bonus for the class. A tack is still the same really, i.e. the technique if you can't foil, and the other wazsps will be tacking on the same foils so they can't foil either. In fact it will make the racing tighter between good sailors and bad. The biggest differentiator between a good moth sailor and an average one nowadays is the tacking. It makes much more difference than pure speed. (it's also a big difference between an exocet and a mach 2 but that's off-topic) It's funny but in most dinghies I always think a good tack vs bad might be a boat length or two and is more apparent between bad sailors and average. Average sailors to good might only lose half a length at most. The real difference between good and average is boat speed. Whereas in the moth, average sailors I think lose out more through tacking vs good sailors than they lose in speed. Although that could just be me. I can do a whole beat and only lose 50-100 metres in a straight line. But as soon as we tack I might as well go back to the bar. The point is the moth rewards time in the boat like no other boat. A moth sailor who spends 1 or two days a month sailing is unlikely to foil tack much. Some can but they're special. The guys that sail 3-5 days a week will be between half a leg and a whole leg ahead in a four leg race even if they go at the same speed. Remove the foiling tack and it makes the racing more appealing to the weekend warrior who gets down in the mouth when compared to the arms race of practice he can't compete with. If no one can foil tack then it still means good sailors benefit from good tacks but instead of taking out 50-100 metres on a good tack they only take out 20-30. Just a thought. Besides I still think the wazsp won't work but that's just me. I guess all the above has been said 20 times already and argued over 10 different ways. On the point about buying new wazsps vs 2nd hand mach2s...the £ vs the dollar isn't going to help anyone buy a new boat in the UK for sometime! It's making the uk production boats look very appealing. The 1st Voodoo is coming live this week and rumour is there's another one very close to a first launch as well.
  4. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    fair enough Sean. I'm 65 kgs and have no trouble in a moth but i have had one for a while and even when i started i had sailed some high performance boats. I do have to depower it a lot as the breeze gets above 15 but I can still sail it in 20 knots all right. more on flat water! I reckon if you get it with the big rig you might as well sail it with that in anything under 12 knots. it'd be fine. Still, i'll be intrigued to see how they foil with their foil set up and a smaller sail. I suspect it might need as much as 10 knots but hopefully will be proved wrong. A normal moth takes a bit of skill to get foiling in sub 7 knots and people over 80 can struggle in 8, i'm sure people will say otherwise but I think that's fair. I imagine losing that much sail area might make a difference. I guess it's on the same mast as the 8.25m sail? Maybe the removed area is all at the bottom of the sail which would reduce the impact in light breeze. do you know if Simon Payne is getting one? i suspect he will get one and be the showboater for the first few years or so to try and sell them in the UK?
  5. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    Sean, mind if i ask why you want a sail smaller than 8.25sqm? That is, I'm assuming you weigh more than 55kgs?
  6. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    BR3232,I'm guessing you're heavier than 70 kgs. I'm 65 kgs and I flat hike in over 10 knots. I simply cannot get fit enough to sustain it as I only manage to sail twice a month nowadays. I totally agree about sailing being the best way to stay fit though. Just hard to do when your boat is 90 minutes away. To go back to techs question, I think the appeal of waszp is very different for each type of mothie or non mothie. The answers show that. A mid life crisis has driven a lot of moth purchases that I can see. Waszps are bound to appeal there too. The younger guy with no kids who likes one design as it's less time consuming. And those that don't like spending so much on sailing cause the wife fucking hates it. The youth thing is a good point. I can't see much happening now but Sailing will go that way once people learn how to teach foiling as per how they learnt to teach high performance skiff type sailing. Heres Looking forward to coffee with tits at malcesine!
  7. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    i though having a road bike (carbon optional) was the only way you could stay fit enough to sail a moth if you had a job? By that I mean an actual job where you go to an actual place of work, as opposed to the kind of work BPR claims to have. I.e work which involves needing transport to get there. Hence a bike helps you squeeze in the 10 hours of mid week exercise required to build the thighs capable of surviving a 5 day moth regatta. Plus, sailing could learn a lot about coffee from cycling. Except in Italy. The machiattas at Campione were well worth the euros. Hayling island, strangely not so good
  8. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    the price of a new M2 might be high, but it's lower than the price of an exocet. In the UK right now...currently you sell you exocet for the price of your new one (assuming you were smart enough to get an order in 3 years ago so as to be able to get delivery today) which is more than you paid for it. I don't know for sure but I'm certain there are people booking, or trying to book, multiple build slots with Simon. As for the mach 2, if you have one that is race ready, you get people coming up to you in the boat park asking you what you would take to sell it. they can't find any for sale and so have got a quote from M2 on a new one and are weighing it up. But if they don't know how to set one up they see value in buying a 1 year old boat and saving that trouble. The experienced M2 owner can set a new one up in a weekend or two. The price of trading up is maybe 1-2k GBP and they get all the new kit that would have cost that much anyway. You lose minimal money on an M2 and make money on an exocet. that's a fact. Can you do that with an A class? I'd say the above is not sensible but it's how the market is (a person is intelligent, people are stoopid). The Wazsp may impact this 2nd hand market but that remains to be seen.
  9. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    19 knots upwind eh, they can almost catch the flying pigs at that pace. And that bloke in the US did 36-odd knots. Velocitech said he did so it must be true! Then again a waszp will never do 13 either. First generation M2s had to be sailed spot on to do any more than 13
  10. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    Well, I was assuming that the wishbone would go the way of the dodo now that launching by trolley is going that way. The whole point, or at least a big point, of the wishbone was to allow launching with a sail up flapping over a metal centre plate sticking 4 ft up in the air. Surely you'd go for a normal boom and kicker otherwise? Maybe not. Someone did say something about it being less stress on the hull or something. Really though, if it was good a moth would already have it, or at least have tried it. Definitely not worth launching a bad boat, definitely a bigger market in the northern hemisphere than in aus but also a good point on testing it for us! Still, I'm picking up chatter from a lot of people who are interested in a waszp but would not be keen on a moth due to the whole development thing. It's definitely got potential
  11. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    bolt rope sounds a little slow! anyone with more knowledge than me care to say what the performance difference vs sleeve will be? i suppose they could make up for that with a bigger sail? i seem to remember there being a big reason for launching off a trolley. peoples foiler and all that jazz sumtin-sumtin. personally I really can't understand why it wouldn't be a launch on it's side job. i second the point from Ncik above about how much easier it is once you get used to it. regular trolley launching seems painful to me now by comparison. i also CANNOT imagine trying to keep a moth type hull upright and putting foils down whilst edging away from the beach in an onshore breeze and chop. #nightmare
  12. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    Even with an 8.25sqm sail, would a waszp even be remotely competitive with a decent moth? Kind of looks to me like it would have no chance, even despite Amac saying about his non-foiling race which is pretty irrelevant nowadays. If it had no chance would anyone bother coming to a moth event. Maybe a couple? In my experience not many people, other than the REALLY keen who intend to upgrade soon, stick at many events with an old moth that can only come in the back 10% in races.
  13. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    If you're going to upgrade a waszp just buy a Farking real moth! It'll probably be cheaper, almost certainly deliver more speed and it won't defeat the one purpose the waszp has- one design cheapo foiling! Also,all the decent UK inland spots have strong,growing moth fleets. Grafham,queen Mary has about 15-20,Draycote and now rutland. The puddles rightly stick to boats from the 18th century. I agree about the small sail size vs moth. I thought they would have a 9sqm option for the 90 kgs people but maybe they want to keep it tame for a while rather than scaring people off. Good to hear they've got pre-orders. That said it'll crush the second hand demand for mach 2s which will probs cost me a fortune. Oh well
  14. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    there's a solution to that Jeffers!
  15. johnfreame stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler... much of many of us would like it to be, sailing is about as far from an every man working class sport as you can get before you start buying horses or go karts. Even Lasers are to expensive for a majority of people to buy. There are still plenty of numpties with plenty of cash to spank on all kinds of stuff though...and to use more economics jargon there are a lot more middle class people in the world now than there were 10-20-30-40 years ago thanks to the growth of the BRIC countries...