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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  

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  1. Artemis Penalty Fair or Shit?

    Up until this race, the umps were able to explain their calls to the teams. They had data that backed up the calls. "Umpiring" is part of all sports. I don't see it as unsporting for the umpires to admit their error when they know that the teams will see that they were wrong. Including the public is part of educating your audience. I think that helps make the show more entertaining. I'm willing to agree to disagree if you are. "De gustibus non disputandum."
  2. Artemis Penalty Fair or Shit?

    I disagree. Sailing is not like other sports. AC is not like other forms of sailing. The umps have to explain to teams how they made the call. They have to explain how analogous cases will be called in the future. They have to provide reliable information about both the past and the future. They have to be prepared for questions from folks who are pretty much experts about the rules of racing, both in general and in this particular regatta. If they made a mistake, it will come out in no uncertain terms in the debriefing. Better to admit their mistake as soon as they realize their error, and shorten up the amount of time it takes to get on the same page with all the sailors for the next similar situation. Pretending it didn't happen might work in other sports with long seasons and a different method of rewriting the rule book. This ain't that. And that's one of the reasons I find it so much fun to follow. Marty
  3. Team NZ

    I don't know how. I've looked, too. I used to use the non-WYSIWIG editor to get quotations sorted out and to insert some tags by hand. I see no such option in this edit box nor in my Account Settings. <b>HTML tags can be inserted into the post using the "\<\>" link on the toolbar, in theory.</b> Well, so much for that theory! I was wrong.
  4. Member Moderation - AC Anarchy

    Thanks for your efforts to preserve some standards in an anarchist Forum, BJ. I have over eight pages of people on ignore the last time I looked. That's life on the internet. Thread drift happens. People who expect you to moderate every thread from that point of view are asking the impossible. This is a strange little corner of the internet. Very strange. I've been following the AC online since the early 90s. I don't know of a better place to find discussion of the AC than this group. I ignore a lot of noise because there is great information in some of the posts. It seems to me that that is life on the internet. There is a troll born every minute. And lots of fish willing to take the bait. Life with people: can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em. Macbeth may not be the right person to quote in this context, but his last words (5:8) seem kind of relevant here: I will not yield, To kiss the ground before young Malcolm's feet, And to be baited with the rabble's curse. Though Birnam wood be come to Dunsinane, And thou opposed, being of no woman born, Yet I will try the last. Before my body I throw my warlike shield. Lay on, Macduff, And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!' Marty
  5. Team NZ

    Thanks for the reminder of the terminology. I've been racking my brains trying to remember what the name of the magic technology. Here is the body of just one of the 100 posts that turned up from one thread: "LET a non issue?!!? The ability for the wing to Twist is fundamental to the speed potential of the rig!!! "A sail that does not twist away efficiently will in fact stall as its speed increases and as the angle of the apparent wind changes at different parts of a sail. This has been extensively research and implemented in cammed windsurf racing sails since the late 90's. A sail that does not twist efficiently will not be fast! and will not have control!! and if you don't have control you won't go fast!!!"
  6. RULE CHANGE

    That seems to me to be a reasonable supposition. All five of the signatories to the agreement about the next two series have good reason, in their own best interests, to maximize their chances of defeating NZ so that one of the five will become the Defender next time. Getting through to the LV Finals is worth fame and money. Winning the Cup is worth fame and money. Getting to use the same boats to test for and/or compete in the next Cup saves time and money. Letting the Defender tune up with them is in their best interests--they will want to do the same if and when they become Defender. I don't see why they should be constrained by the choice that ETNZ freely made not to come to Bermuda when they did. I don't see why they should dance to ETNZ's tune.
  7. Oracle Team USA

    Teams are allowed to train and interact together on a set number of days. It is all explained in detail in this other thread.
  8. Oracle Team USA

    Ah ? so what would it be then ? if the explanations we got were true, plane would have moving wings, they don't. Planes also don't have foils. Different situation, different dynamics, different techniques for liftoff.
  9. Oracle Team USA

    I submitted a question to "Ask Jack" on 5 Apr 2016, at 02:17 Question: In "beast mode," there seems to have been some kind of rhythmic pumping of the wing. You explained one week that this was not against the rules. What is the beneficial effect of the back-and-forth motion? What telltale, if any, is the trimmer watching to decide how much to pump? What is there about this technique that makes the boats go faster upwind? Jack replied to my question via email on 4/25/2016 4:31 PM: Hi Marty, OK, I have a few answers for you. On my way home after a good visit in Bermuda where I talked to several insiders, on all three of the teams here. - the wing trimmer is really working by “feel” and coordinating with the helmsman. He is not looking at any telltales. - the active wing trim helps the pitch (fore/aft) trim of the boat as well as the ride height. - no one I’ve talked to thinks the active wing trim constitutes pumping. - everyone I talked to thinks Bruce Knecht was just looking to sell more books with his controversial claims. I’ll write something up for my newsletter soon. I'm not sure that Jack did cover this in a later newsletter. What he says fits with your explanation about letting the boat climb before loading up the foils again.
  10. Oracle Team USA

    Thanks, A Cat. I certainly didn't understand that the magic was in the easing of the sheet in order to unload the foils and allow the boat to gain altitude. I'm a "keyboard sailor," so this is only one of a zillion things I don't understand.
  11. Team NZ

    The piccies came out well enough. Very funny. Hear, hear! I'm still laughing, three posts later ... "Keep the King, discard the Jack!"
  12. Artemis?

    Short for "PhotoShopped," which is short for "retouched to keep secrets from falling into the hands of OTUSA."
  13. Team NZ

    Wildly amateur guess: hands-free video setup. As you say, a shock- and water-proof Go Pro on top, connected to some goggles that give the user a view of what the camera is recording. All the cameraman has to do is to look at the boat by tilting and panning his head. His hands are free to help keep him upright and in the boat. Or not.
  14. Artemis?

    And for Olympic dinghies. They ooch, they rock, they pump. It's all about power-to-weight ratio. Small sail, small vessel, big guys, go fast. I don't know the numbers for the AC 50, but it's on the order of tons of mass in motion working against air and water resistance. Eight rowers in a scull do great things--for sculling. Put the same eight in the AC50s, four on a side, with seats and oars as in a scull, and the boat wouldn't go much of anywhere. Direct all of their power into pumping the massive wing for an AC50, and they wouldn't go anywhere. Pedals, chains, hydraulic pumps, lines, valves, etc., do not amplify the power of the grinders. They rob power from them. Jack Griffin from CupExperience explained that "beast mode" was about having power to continually make quick, fine adjustments to wing trim and the foils, along with taking a longer but faster line around the course. Yes, the trailing edge of the wing was moving back-and-forth in the videos we had, but it wasn't like Sir Ben pumping, rocking, and ooching his dinghy in the Olympics.
  15. Artemis?

    8 hp is a lot of output from human power. In my view, it is nothing compared to the power of the wing and aero and hydraulic drag. The 8 hp cannot be used at 100% efficiency. There are always losses to entropy (it's the law).