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Doug, the pictrure was just a representation, my dream foiling mono would be much more extreme: - foils with long arms outside of the water for lower hydro drag - surface piercing foils would be replaced by flaps - with both foils extended the mono would look like a trimaran without floats, but it would be sailing like a proa without floats. - the winward canted wing would make it look like Sailrocket
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Scassini, I think the vmg would not be the same that a multi, which means determined by the apparent wind. Doug, I don't go with the racks for a couple of reasons, first the aerodrag, second the foil itself would be long enough to avoid it. I would imagine a boat like on this picture with narrower hull, winward canting sail, much finner foils, 3 times longer.
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A narrow mono with very wide Q foils could have as much RM as a multi, be lighter and work a bit like Sail Rocket by canting the mast to winward. How dangerous, but if that is the new mono, I buy it !
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We can call it the "slower boat AC"
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1) What do you consider few ? 2) I advise you to watch the races again 3) Wrong, you can also add Sweden, France and probably a couple of others.
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Ah ah, take Sail Rocket, I take an Opti, I am faster than you around 3 buoys.
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Again, facts but flawed logic. 1) Yes, even for me, new fast foilers are more intesting to watch than Tornado series. But that is an opinion, for what it's worth. 2) You mix AC races with OD class races, the interest of the AC is about the fastest non OD boat 3) AC is about the fastest open boat, as the few I mentioned, or the fastest in an MC box. To take your expression, to say that the AC is about slow boats is talking shit. We basically have two different views of the AC, what your refer as seemingly to best of the AC, the 12s, are for me worst of it. You will be please to come back to that time, but w'll have to see if public, sponsors and media follow... To draw attention a mono will have to be huge, between 80 and 90 ft,and that will require huge budgets too.
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DZ and AC72s were the fastest badass boats of their time, amazing to watch them racing. However, following your logic, watch the same boats years or decades later, just sailing, only presents an historical interest.
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^^ Where did I say that Dz or AC32 was boring ? on the contrary
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Sorry, I did not explain. I was referring to the point that some were bringing that closer races with mono would be better. ACC monos won't be OD, but why try to copy mono class races ?
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I am not angry but afraid to be bored. It is not about Groupama, or even my love of cats, but my love of bad ass boats. Have you been in SF with 2 AC72 screaming at 40 kts in front of you ? why would I bother travel to watch a "slower is better" mono race ? I did not say Bertelli owned etnz, but I suspect he is the cause, I don't think a kiwi would have gone that way. I may be wrong though.
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Even more distorted interpretation of facts. 1) GLS DoG match was not about the slower boat but the fastest. 2) They did not change the match race and the course clear of headlands for a slower boat, but to avoid cheating, and you know the case that created the rule. 3) The MC is not about a slower boat but a cheaper yacht. If you want to make the equation, you can, not me. 4) You mix Vanderbilt, the LE equivalent and Herressohff, the Verdier of the time. 5) What was possible at the time without limitng speed is not the case now. Yachts were lead mines, not foilers 6) A exception can only exist with a rule, I know At the end, at least these boats were the fastest of their time: - Stars and Stripes - USA17 (AC32) - USA 17 (AC33) - TNZ (AC34) Time to cut the BS about the AC being about the slower boat in order to justify a come back to the last century. And, BTW, who will be interested by an AC with monos in 4 years, knowing that hundreds of other OD mono races exist ? Yawn..
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Stange that with your knowledge of the AC history you have such a distorted view. If you want to be faithful to the AC spirit it would not be an AC60, not even a new foiling mono, you would have the fastest boat around Isle of Wight. And that would probably be a MOD70, Gitana, or a foiling catamaran. It would be the fastest boat within the Deed restrictions, which is what GLS wanted. The AC is not about a slower contest, whatever exception you may find, it confirms the rule. And the exception was with the 12s, but they were not so slow at the beginning, they were later when Jet Service and a few other multi began to be really efficient and fast. But now you want to come back to the old 12 concept while we have an amazing generation of new foilers, nonsense. I will look with interest 80 ft mono foilers, but perhaps with irony if smaller boats, in the same sea conditions, turn around.
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The choice has been made you will have to justify it, and you will have to get used to it.
