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      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Pit Bull ban in your community

    DogsBite.org recorded 31 fatal dog attacks in 2011.1 Citations of each victim's story are located on the Fatality Citations page. The last year the CDC released data about dog bite-related fatalities was 1998. Likely due to pressures from animal advocacy groups, the CDC stopped studying these deaths by dog breed. Since 1998, pit bulls alone have killed 181 U. S. citizens. The only other known entity, in addition to DogsBite.org, that tracks this vital data publicly is Animal People.2 31 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2011. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 650 U.S. cities, pit bulls led these attacks accounting for 71% (22). Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.3 Notably in 2011, adult victims of fatal pit bull attacks more than doubled the number of child victims. Of the 22 total pit bull victims, 68% (15) fell between the ages of 32 to 76, and 32% (7) were ages 5 years and younger. The year 2011 also marks an increase in pet pit bulls killing their owners. Of the 8 total instances this year in which a family dog inflicted fatal injury to its primary caretaker, the dog's owner, 88% (7) involved pet pit bulls. Together, pit bulls (22) and rottweilers (4), the number two lethal dog breed, accounted for 84% of all fatal attacks in 2011. In the 7-year period from 2005 to 2011, this same combination accounted for 74% (157) of the total recorded deaths (213). The breakdown between pit bulls and rottweilers is substantial over this 7-year period. From 2005 to 2011, pit bulls killed 128 Americans, about one citizen every 20 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 29; about one citizen every 88 days. Annual data from 2011 shows that 58% (18) of the attacks occurred to adults (21 years and older) and 42% (13) occurred to children (11 years and younger). Of the children, 62% (8) occurred to ages 1 and younger. 2011 data also shows that 39% (12) of the fatal incidents involved more than one dog; 26% (8) involved breeding on the dog owner's property either actively or in the recent past, and 6% (2) involved tethered dogs, down from 9% in 2010 and 19% in 2009. Dog ownership information for 2011 shows that family dogs comprised 65% (20) of the attacks that resulted in death; 74% (23) of all incidents occurred on the dog owner's property and 29% (9) resulted in criminal charges, up from 15% in 2010. The states of California and Texas led fatalities in 2011, each with 4 deaths; pit bulls and their mixes contributed to 88% (7) of the 8 deaths. North Carolina, New Mexico, South Carolina and Virginia each incurred 2 deaths.
  2. Our Beloved mainsheetgirl

    What you brought to our lives will never be measured. Thank you. David and I will miss you and celebrate you.
  3. Pit Bull ban in your community

    It Never Ends... Pussy stops violent 2 dog pit bull attack.
  4. Pit Bull ban in your community

    After 17 pages we get it you don't like Pitt Bulls, now go get life. what if someone reads this, and decides to push for a ban in their community? this thread could save people's lives. So is this the face of evil then??? so is this the face of evil?...................................Adolf Hitler's baby picture. Wait a year and let the dog attack the baby. It's what pit bulls are bred to do - attack without mercy until their prey is mangled and dead.
  5. Pit Bull ban in your community

    Bump... Son of Pitsburgh Steeler MAULED by Pit Bull
  6. Pit Bull ban in your community

    Sad stuff... but the whole "attacked unprovoked" in many cases isn't applicable. No. 1: No child should ever be left with a dog that isn't in it's immediate family, especially a dog (any dog) that isn't fully socialized with kids. This happens all too regularly. It's one thing when a strange dog enters a property and attacks an infant, and all too often it seems to be a pit bull, but the dog/child unprovoked attack is 9 times out of 10 completely preventable with nothing less than full time eyes on supervision. It's a pain in the ass, and if you can't it's better to crate fido when unfamiliar small kids are in the house. That a dog could be animal aggressive and react to a small child in a similar way isn't a surprize. Plenty of great pets fit this discription. The owners, again regardless of breed, should know this and act accordingly. It's sad the way the apologists try and blame everything except the vicious animal that kills or maims it's victim. It's the owner's fault for this. It's the victim's parents fault for that. Please spare us the insults to our intelligence. Pit Bulls are bred to be vicious animals who instinctivly attack without cause or quarter - with the sole purpose of killing their victim. Stop blaming parents and owners - stop apologizing for a dog that is born and bred to kill children, the elderly, other dogs, anything it wants to kill. It will attack to kill, cripple, maim, break bones, rip out throats, and never stop until their victim is dead. The do it alone, they do it in pairs, they gang up in packs and rip thier prey to shreds in a coordinated manner that prevents any individual defense. If you apologists want to feel badly and be sympathetic toward something - think of the victims, the dead and disfigured children who are regularly the victims of these animals.
  7. Pit Bull ban in your community

    That may work in a suburban or rural environment, but it doesn't really work in an urban environment where you are sharing space with people you don't know. Homeowners or Tennant's Associations are extremely effective in this environment. More effective than local ordinances in many cases. An urban condo / apartment is perfectly within it's rights to ban pit bulls - and many do. why Why? When you live in neighborhood that includes several high-rise towers and thousands of residents within a four-block radius, how the hell do you " communicate with our neighbors as to expectations." It's an idiotic notion.
  8. Pit Bull ban in your community

    Please elle, tell us of another breed of dog that is more agressive than a pit bull. It's been well documented here and in many other places that pit bulls are relentless in their agressive attacks. They are bred to attack until their prey is dead from massive tissue damage and blood loss. They don't stop. They don't back off. they frequently must be killed to stop their current attack and prevent ongoing death and injury to others. They have some of the strongest jaws of any mammal - able to break large bones like the femur in humans. They are bred to go for your neck and rip your throat out. Take a look at the injuries on the little girl in the pics in previous posts. So please, tell us of another breed of dog that is more agressive than a pit bull. i already have...more than once, bj. if you can't be bother to read and comprehend what i have written i am not going to bother repeating. No elle, you haven't. I have read and comprehended every post you have made in this thread. Yes, I took the time to look them up. Nowhere did you provide quantative evidence that there is another breed of dog that is more agressive than a pit bull. Nowhere did you provide any statistics that there another breed of dog that is responsible for more maiming injuries and deaths than pit bulls. Nowhere did you identify another breed that is bred to rip out the throat of it's victims with such unrelenting violence. You also failed to even suggest that there is any other breed of dog that has been responsible for more unprovoked attacks and deaths than a pit bull. Deaths from Pomerainian attacks - probably zero. Weiner Dogs, very cute but cranky - not known for breaking femurs in two with their jaws. German Shepherds, Dobermans, Rots - yes they have killed, but none are so unrelentlingly vicious I've had the bad fortune to put down a fair number of dogs - mostly our pets. The only time I've been forced to put down a dog in defense of myself or family or friends were pit bulls who were attacking. Oddly, these occurred in your neck of the woods. In our community and neighborhood, we've made it clear to the couple of pit bull owners that if their dogs are ever seen loose in our neighborhoods where our children and pets play that they are liable to be shot on sight. Problem solved itslef fairly easily - one was shot by a local police officer, two owners found other homes for their animals, one moved away, and one hasn't returned from the Hurricane. Bottom line is that it's up the the community of neighbors to rid themselves of dangers to their families, homes, pets and property. We don't tolerate pit bulls, sexual offenders, murderers, drug dealers or other threats. Mostly this can be accomplished with civic legislation, sometimes by gentle urging from law enforcement, and occasionally it takes neighbors lending a hand to keep our neighborhoods safe and secure. Bottom line is that many cities, municipalities, counties, states, and even countries recognize that pit bulls are vicious to the point of banning their existence in order to protect their children, pets and citizens. It's pretty well documented that pit bulls are by far the most agressive, violent, and vicious breed of dog. You, or anyone, have yet to refute this. Any anecdotal (based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation) stories you may have are amusing and I appreciate the good times everyone has related about thier own experiences - but they are irrelevant in quantifying the established fact the pit bulls are the most agressive breed of dog.
  9. Pit Bull ban in your community

    Please elle, tell us of another breed of dog that is more agressive than a pit bull. It's been well documented here and in many other places that pit bulls are relentless in their agressive attacks. They are bred to attack until their prey is dead from massive tissue damage and blood loss. They don't stop. They don't back off. they frequently must be killed to stop their current attack and prevent ongoing death and injury to others. They have some of the strongest jaws of any mammal - able to break large bones like the femur in humans. They are bred to go for your neck and rip your throat out. Take a look at the injuries on the little girl in the pics in previous posts. So please, tell us of another breed of dog that is more agressive than a pit bull.
  10. Pit Bull ban in your community

    Because it's my personal fucking choice. Talk about arrogant... If pit bulls only killed or injured their owners, then I would be all for no restrictions on them. But since they are known to attack and kill neighbors and others (whose personal fucking choice was not to be attacked), then it is no longer a matter of the owners personal choice. BTW, there was another pit bull attack today - "DISTRICT HEIGHTS, Md. - A Prince George's County fire official says a 4-year-old boy was critically injured when he was attacked by his family's pit bull." So by your logic, we should restrict all dogs that attack. Why not all guns? Knives? Baseball bats? Alcohol (drunk drivers kill too)? I'll keep my dog, thank you. BTW, he did not attack anyone again today... Guns don't jump out and start shooting people on their own. Similar for knives and baseball bats. Besides, it takes a lot more intelligence to operate a gun or a knife or a baseball bat. It takes no intelligence to own a pit bull that is bred to instinctively, mercilessly, and relentlessy attack with the intent to kill - never stopping until it has ripped the throat out of its victim. No brains at all to own a pit bull.
  11. Pit Bull ban in your community

    Wow! I didn't even have to wade in on this one. pipsqueek, you are obviously the Dog Whisperer and we all bow to your knowledge. Your statement that nobody here knows what we're talking about is laughable at best, pitiful is probably the better term. It's sad that people have to tolerate your arrogance. Try reading this if you're looking for statistics. http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%20...6%20Clifton.pdf
  12. Pit Bull ban in your community

    Dogs bite. Even Cocker Spaniels bite if provoked. Only a Pit Bull will chew a person's leg off. Check out the photos on the DN Ice boating thread in SA. Our family pet, which is an American Staffordshire Terrier, was out on the ice with us. He did not attack, threaten, menace, maim, growl, snarl, or even look funny at anyone, or anything. He did not chase any ice boats, and any photos of any ice boat related carnage had absolutely nothing to do with my dog. So here's my question: If you'd been amongst the spectators, would you have shot my dog? I looked at the photos. You know what? The big guy standing next to the dog is a sociopathic, mass murdering, baby raping, sadist who specializes in using straight razors to slowly carve his young female child victims after repeatedly raping them. I didn't see him committing any crimes in any of the photos - no murders, no rapes, nope... don't see any pics of him even looking a child with a sadistic smile. I guess he's not a threat to society either.
  13. Pit Bull ban in your community

    Dogs bite. Even Cocker Spaniels bite if provoked. Only a Pit Bull will chew a person's leg off.
  14. Pit Bull ban in your community

    I've only been bitten by a dog when I deserved it. On a couple of occasions when I was growing up I was nipped by our family dog because I was digging my fingers into her food while she was eating. Any dog is well within their rights to take a snap at anyone messing with their food. I deserved it! No I'm not petrified of dogs. From the day I was birthed, I've been a dog household. I grew up understanding dogs. In understanding dogs, it is obvious that just like any other animal that some of them have been bred to exhibit certain traits and behaviors. Pit Bulls have been bred to exhibit a relentless violence in attack. Labs have been bred to be comfortable in water in retrieving birds for their hunter / master. Saint Bernards are work dogs bred to tow carts. Dashchunds are bred to hunt underground. Get used to it! Pit Bulls are bred to attack with a relentless violence that their prey are eviscerated and die bleeding to death. That is what the dog is bred to do! Petrified of them - you're laughable. After Hurricane Ike destroyed our neighborhood, we welcomed our neighbor's Pit Bull into our yard during the day with our Sheltie and Lab and they get along great. Snickers is a welcome additon to our dog family and they have a ball tearing up the back yard every day. Snickers is welcome in our household until our neighbor get's his house rebuilt. But, on his advice and following his example, there is now a loaded handgun in the house (where there never was one before) in a very handy location.
  15. Pit Bull ban in your community

    Indianapolis, IN - Caress Garten, the author of On Behalf of Innocents, and the victim of a vicious dog attack, has written an editorial to the Indiana Star newspaper. In the past week, several violent pit bull attacks have occurred in Indiana, including the fatal attack of 62-year old Chester R. Jordan. In her letter, Garten defines the pit bull problem and provides an honest solution: mandatory spay/neuter of pit bulls and a $100,000 liability insurance policy per pit bull. Pit Bull Attacks "Last Monday an Indianapolis a hero, who should be honored, was seriously injured, risking his life to save a woman being attacked by pit bulls. The week before an elderly man in Muncie was killed by pit bulls. Fines and citations were issued to those who harbored the dogs. The odds are great they will not have the financial ability to pay any fines. However, Indiana has a dangerous dog law IC 15-5-12-3. According to newspaper accounts of the maulings here in Indianapolis this state law applies and would send the harborer of the dogs to jail. The larger issue of the pit bull remains a problem for Indianapolis. A tiny minority of very vocal pit bull advocates always step forward with the lamentation, "It's the irresponsible owner, not the dog." Two years ago our city county council was exposed to this litany where the dog loving pit bull owners, dog fighters, dubious pit bull breeders, groups with financial interests in protecting the dog, all held hands to intimidate anyone who wanted any kind of reasonable discussion and restriction on the pit bull. Two-year old Amaya Hess, who had recently been horribly mauled with near fatal injuries, didn't count for much with these people. The facts haven't changed. The only reason the pit bull exists is to fight and kill other dogs. Dog fighting is now a felony in all fifty states. According to the Humane Society of the United States dog fighters for the last twenty-two years have given away their second rate and human aggressive pits instead of killing the dogs. Now we continue to have a proliferation of dangerous dogs across the country. Labrador Retrievers love the water. It is a genetic trait for the dog to accomplish the job for which it was bred. Pit bulls have the genetic traits for its job to kill other dogs. The pit bull is unpredictable, has great pain tolerance, very strong jaws with the ability to hang on the victim. This trait is called "gameness" by the fighter causing massive bodily damage. One generation away from the fighter a pit bull tends to lose only dog on dog aggression. However, pit bulls remain highly prey driven attacking humans, dogs, cats, horses and livestock. There is not a pit bull owner living that can guarantee their well loved, socialized, seemingly docile pit bull, will remain that way for its entire life. Many pit bull attacks involve their own family members. The pit mixes, along with the pure bred American Pit Bull Terrier and American Staffordshire Terrier (same dog just different names) have fatality rates epidemically higher than any other breed tracked over decades. These fatalities are emblematic of the number of serious maulings by the pit bull. Their behavioral traits have a higher likelihood of causing more severe injuries or death. Many breeders of fighting dogs are criminals. They have no interest in a kinder gentler pit bull. Even pups of a legitimate breeder may eventually have to be put down due to aggression. Why does Indianapolis continue to risk the lives of its people when cities our size and larger have made laws to restrict this dog? In June, Little Rock, Arkansas began to spay/neuter the pit bull in that city. Their ordinance was created with the help of the Humane Society of the United States. Omaha, Nebraska began its own restrictions in October, Sioux City, Iowa in July. What constitutes a pit bull is defined legally in these ordinances. Daily in Indianapolis someone at animal control is selecting which dogs are pit bulls because the city does not adopt out pit bulls. There is no constitutional right to own a pit bull, which was confirmed again by the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this year. Restrictions are successful in lowering the high mauling and fatality rate of the pit bull. This is easily proven by contacting cities, speaking to authorities, and looking at their bite rates. Indianapolis needs to have mandatory spay/neuter for pit bulls and other fighting dog breeds banned around the world. I encourage the city council to revisit Dr. Scott Robinsons' spay/neuter proposal for pit bulls in Indianapolis. This plan is humane and with determined enforcement would be successful. Owners of pit bulls should carry by law at least 100,000 dollars in liability insurance. Most pit bull victims receive no monetary compensation from the dog owner while suffering horrendous injury. Responsible pit bull owners often state these two requirements are mandatory. The public safety committee of our city county council needs to revisit the problems of dangerous dogs. This slaughter of human beings and innocent animals will continue. Fines will remain ineffective for people who have nothing to lose. Our ordinance remains weak. I encourage clergy, the Deputy Mayor for Neighborhoods Olgen Williams, doctors, nurses, all those who will speak for the poor to ask Mayor Ballard and our council to protect these victims who are typically forgotten. The public may learn more by visiting www.dogsbite.org a site dedicated to victims of dangerous dogs for which I am a contributor." Related articles: 11/07/08: 2 Adults Severely Attacked by Pit Bulls in Indianapolis 11/02/08: 2008 Fatality: 62-Year Old Muncie Man Killed by Pit Bulls 09/14/08: Flashback: S.F. Pit Bull Sterilization Law Has Successful Results 02/26/08: United States Supreme Court Leaves Intact Ohio Supreme...