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  1. On 8/17/2020 at 11:53 AM, apophenia said:

    Odd that they are pushing two different fully crewed configurations. I'd think emphasizing shorthanded sailing would be the way to go.

    It might be interesting to take measurements from a Moore 24 hull, and then engage a good naval architect to scale it up into the 30-35' range. Emphasize simplicity, keep the shape as similar as possible. Optimize for short handing around the US West Coast to Hawaii.

    I think you just described a Wilderness 30.

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  2. 21 hours ago, Ballard Sailor said:

    I'm sure we will want to get the boat down to Cali sometime for some fun.  Maybe a ditch run or ???

    I notice you still use the forward lowers, does it really need them?

    Would love to see her when you're done. So glad you are saving her. Look forwards to hearing more as you progress.

    Not sure if we need the front lowers or not honestly. We are currently working with our slip neighbor (well known SC rigger for decades who also has a Wilderness 30) doing some rigging work (replacing the lowers and putting on a Harken roller furler). He did not suggest we change/remove the front lowers when we met to measure stuff last week. Plans are to put new ones on at this point.



  3. Congratulations!

    Here is a pic of her sister, Wildflower (#3) on O Dock in Santa Cruz. We have owned her since 1996. #1 is still here in Santa Cruz also.

    #1 and #3 were next to each other on U Dock in Santa Cruz harbor when we bought her and the dock sign was changed to "Un Dock." 

    Looking forwards to watching your progress. I like the longer cockpit on #2 a lot. 

    Happy to hear you're saving her. 


  4. 1 minute ago, FishFood said:

    Yeah, you're a little late. See the thread here where I have it posted for free. I had to appease my girlfriend by attempting to post for sale. "Looks like game over" Ehh ok, this thread ended how I said it would, with me up the coast... Headed back to school now that I can enroll again, never planned on being dropped from my courses. 

    Yes, I see that free thread now. Honestly, I might be all over your offer if I didn't already have a 30' $ hole in the water in the Santa Cruz harbor. It has been fun vicariously experiencing your journey so far.

    I wish you the best with school and hope to see you out there roll tacking, crash gybing, and planing the crap out of a Laser on the Monterey Bay this summer (as I once did as a lad in the 1970s). Keep sailing and keep learning something new every day.

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  5. Ultimate 20 checks the boxes for me too, but hard to find for less that $10k. I am looking for something like this for pleasure (not racing) on a lake so I am seriously considering a Holder 20. I would prefer an Ultimate 20, but for a second lake use boat the cost is a bit high. 

    Since a SC27 has been mentioned I would be remiss not so suggest a Moore 24, but like the U20, hard to find for less than $10k.

    Wabbits are awesome, but almost never come up for sale used. I can't remember the last time I saw one for sale.

  6. 37 minutes ago, FishFood said:

    Yeah I'm not going to leave without another person on this trip. Especially since the boat likely to be used is an 18 as well.

    Aiming for the Channel Islands and then we'd hop back over the channel to Santa Barbara for pick up. Fine skipping over the islands though. With the right weather window it should be less than a week even if we take our sweet ass time, I'd like to chillax a tad in between the constant weather exposure. Thinking 6am to 6pm spent on the Hobie and 6pm to 6am on the beach.

    I already have a Hobie procured for this trip and will most likely pursue a crew position for R2AK, this would be the one to get in on. Plus you've got the Hobie flipping experience. Hell, if you're willing to do this Hobieventure I consider you more interesting than most!

    If you do this with an 18 (excellent choice BTW) try to find one with a set of Magnum (or SX) wings, or find a set and add them. Totally transforms the boat. (More room to sleep and carry shit also.) When I had my 18 I first sailed it without wings (mostly at Huntington Lake, some off the beach at home in Santa Cruz) it really needed at least one person on the trap if there was any breeze or I would be depowering like crazy. Added some Magnum wings and the stability difference was incredible. They will make righting slightly more difficult, but you'll be much less likely to flip in the first place. A Bob on the masthead is probably not a bad idea also to keep it from turtling if you do flip it. Last but lot least, practice righting the boat in a controlled environment before you have to under duress. A set of reef points on the main might not be a bad idea also.

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  7. I have been reading this thread since it was a one-pager and I am truly impressed, both by your determination and fearlessness as well as the outpouring of generosity and good advice. When I first saw the thread I thought, this can't be real, had to be made up shit. Then as pictures started coming in and it really was real I found my ancient self starting to live vicariously as I follow what I could only dream of at your age back in the 1970s. I was hoping to see you and your boat in Santa Cruz but missed it. Sounds like you made great connections with Prolooper and MH and are breaking into the Bay Area sailing scene.

    As far as sailing up the coast, as others have said, the Northern California and Oregon coasts are no joke. The OR coast was getting 120kt gusts in the same storm you had your HMB escapades in. (SC harbor mouth was over 50kts that night also). A good read would be the loss of the Kelaerin (there are others but this one is pretty recent and well documented).

    Just be careful because I want to live vicariously through your R2AK experience!!!

    The Single Handed Sailing Society might also be a good place for you to explore. The 3 bridge has already been mentioned, do it! Have fun and I hope sailing helps you find yourself and gives your life some direction and joy. You're on your way there.

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  8. 1 hour ago, bridhb said:

    Is that just because they are small or that they were made before reliable line clutches were available requiring the multiple winches?  I have never sailed on one of those boats (O30 or SC27).  I have spent an uncomfortable full night on the rail of a hobie 33 offshore but hiking out all night on any boat gets sort of uncomfortable.  Is there something specific that makes the O30 more uncomfortable than other fastish boats of the era?

    I think it is mostly the raised aluminum toe rail all the way down the hull deck joint that your legs have to sit on combined with the lack of space between cabin top and edge of the deck (more a SC27 issue than toilet seat issue). Pretty much all SC area built ULDBs of the era had some kind of fairly high toe rail that dug into your hammies while sitting on them. I have seen a few get the sawzall treatment which helps with comfort, but I suppose is less safe if you slip and have no to rail to catch your foot.

    I don't recall ever seeing any line clutches when these boats were built. I have them now on my boat (a Wilderness 30 prototype from 1979) but I'm pretty sure they didn't exist then, or weren't commonly used for some reason.

  9. On 11/14/2019 at 10:49 AM, Zonker said:

    You used to be able to anchor outside of Santa Cruz Harbor to the west of the pier.  Don't know if it's still allowed.

    It's a very narrow entrance with breakers either side. No way would I try to sail in. 


    LMAO! Thank you, I needed a good laugh. This entrance will be heavily shoaled and there is a railroad trestle to get underneath not far in. A little more challenging than say, Ft Bragg, unless you are on a surfboard.

    I think the harbor mouth is a few hundred yards to the East, but I imagine you knew that.

    Yes, anchoring out in Cowells is still permissible. As of a few days ago there were still a few boats there, but the past few days all are now gone. (My commute is West Cliff so I drive past there twice a day). It is very late in the season for boats to anchor there but it might not be a bad idea for our friend FF to do so temporarily while sorting things out with the SC Harbor Office for a guest slip.

    @FF, I would not recommend "coming in hot" expecting help from the Harbor Office to tow you to your slip. Do you have a BoatUS membership? It is not expensive and might be a good idea for you to have AAA "road service" on the water. Vessel Assist could tow you in from the anchorage at Cowells once you have a guest slip. 


    Edit: Looks like Pro looper is going to help out, which is awesome. 

  10. My only formal keelboat sailing classes were on Shields class boats back when UCSC owned four of them here in Santa Cruz (mid-1970s). I already was sailing Lasers and 505s and crewing on a Santana 22, but the UCSC classes in the Shields (taken through Cabrillo College) were awesome. Fabulous instructors. In Santa Cruz style of the day we had no motors and were taught to back the Shields into their slips under sail. I learned skills that have served me for decades in those classes so I am rather fond of Shields boats. Some (all?) of the former UCSC boats are in the Monterey fleet now. Not exactly my idea of fast is fun (my first keelboat was a Moore 24) but I sure had a lot of fun sailing them.

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  11. On 7/1/2019 at 1:36 PM, toddster said:

    An alternative viewpoint: I broke down and bought my first handheld VHF to tell people NOT to rescue me.  Some tugboat driver called in a rescue when he saw me flip my hobie cat.  -_- (It's all part of the game, people!)  It's also nice to hear securite calls from commercial traffic, so you can watch out for them before you can see them.  Around here, they call out when approaching a bend in the river, or getting underway.  

    BTW: It was a floatie West Marine branded (made by Uniden) unit.  The only problem with it was that as soon as the rechargeable battery wore out, it was no longer manufactured, and the radio is now just a desktop scanner. (Or you can take a suitcase load of batteries along to use the AA adapter.) I can't be sure, but I have the feeling that major name-brands are more likely to maintain battery pack support for older models.  West Marine does not. Nor does Uniden.  

    I have an older icom, same thing, battery packs are NLA and it is a paperweight. Technology purchases don't last the way they used to.

  12. On 4/14/2019 at 9:00 AM, Hitchhiker said:

    Someone's going to get it.......... eventually!

    Btw, the boat was not condemned!  That was a pretty silly sentence!

    Express 27? 

    Socketed stanchions, chain plate looks about the same, not a Moore, so that's my new guess.

  13. On 4/3/2019 at 1:06 PM, Maxx Baqustae said:

    Could be. But most of Santa Cruz ULDB's used that type of construction with holy rail as part of it. Might be a Wildy 30 too.

    I'm guessing Moore 24. Not an Olson. Maybe a Wilderness 30, but I think the Wilderness has deck mounted stanchions and I recall those sockets on my two Moores, but it has been more than 25 years since I owned a Moore and age is taking its toll on my brain cells (among other things).

  14. If balsa core that has gone squishy I doubt anything except proper repair (remove, replace, replace laminate) would work.

    Injecting decks is pretty common on Hobie 18s (foam core). I did it on my ex-Hobie 18 and the repair held up great for years. I used West epoxy in small bottles to inject into a grid of holes drilled into just the top laminate. Took way more glue than I anticipated, but once it was done that deck was solid as a rock for years.


  15. 15 hours ago, Grith said:



    PS Hey Hokie it probably sails really great but you can keep that one for yourself if towing across the country never mind with a Mobile Garbage Bin! ( Sorry standing joke from originally an Italian Car Enthusiast with a Fix It Again Tony whose greatest racing rival successfully punted a highly modified MGB. 



    You would be surprised how easily a Moore 24 is to tow. I used to tow one with a 1978 Toyota 4cyl pickup around town, no problem. Very light, and yes, the fleet is going strong.

  16. 1 hour ago, Hitchhiker said:

    There are two W30's entered in Single Handed Transpac this year.  

    Yes, Nightmare and Fugu. Both SX rigs. I think both have different keels from original, but not sure. (Nightmare's keel looks way different in an out of water picture I saw on the SHTP forum.) I heard Fugu also had a keel upgrade, but that was second hand info. I will be following the race hoping for great results for the Wilderness 30s, and hoping for safe and fun passage for the entire fleet.

    Pretty much all I can do since I am recovering from ankle surgery and my doctor says I can't sail for another 6 months. If you were closer to SC 'flower sure could use some exercise. She is getting really pissed off sitting in her slip (as am I sitting on land). 

  17. Is the keel also a Torqeedo motor with a prop on it? That is a very cool design. The metal hoop kinda reminds me of a 1970s 505 when they did away with travelers using vang only to control twist (Loveday Hoop?).

    Looking forward to the review.

  18. I hope you can track her down. There were both masthead and fractional rigs. The production fractional was called a Wilderness 30 SX back when they were new and those were the newer ones. The exception being my slip-neighbor's boat which was (I believe) one of the first hulls and decks popped after the three Un 30s which has a fractional rig and a transom scoop. The other Wilderness on my dock also has a transom scoop and features a double spreader Olson 30 rig. Our rig is single spreader masthead, like Domino which is the boat currently in the classifieds.

    They seem to all have some differences. Besides the rigs, different rudder positioning (all the way aft on deck vs. around 2' forward) keel shape and size, inboard or not, etc. 

    They are wonderful boats to sail, very dry (compared to a Moore 24 or SC27) and go very well when the wind is up. I don't race anymore, haven't for decades. Just a guy who grew up sailing (and racing in the 70s/early 80s) in Santa Cruz with an affinity towards SC area built ULDBs. When my family began to grow back around 1996 my then girlfriend, now wife, and I decided our Moore 24 was too small and saw 'flower sitting next to her sister, Un 30 #1 now known as Maiden, semi-abandoned looking on U Dock in Santa Cruz (which was renamed Un Dock at the time) with a tattered for sale sign. First demo sail with the owner (who built her as a kit boat) was on a typical SC 20+ day, full main, #2 110 headsail, and on a close reach she was flying and virtually steering herself. We were sold right then and there. The pleasure she has given us for over two decades now is incredible. The only thing we really miss is she is just a little too big for my wife and I to comfortably double hand with the spinnaker like we used to on the Moore 24, but we are also 22 years older now too.