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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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    Toronto & SD
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    Looking to crew in Toronto on a sportsboat
  1. Regattas are a skewed view of the 'health' of the sport, as the same people may be going to a bunch of them, and those j70's numbers just mean that there are that many j70 owners racing - in the country. Here in Toronto, it's a slow-moving death. No young people are entering the sport at the crew level, and the owners are just getting older by the day. There are very few new boats entering clubs and races, to the point where it's been 5 years since I saw a new one on the line - and that was a 2nd hand First30. Yet old decent boats are also hard to come by, as they're either run into the ground by their existing owners before they sell them since the market is so small and they know the resale value isn't high, or have been sitting so long that they're just ready for the junkyard. It's almost the inverse of what you'd expect - instead of a huge availability of cheap, good boats, we get a low availability of shitty, rundown ones. This also has a knock-on effect to the club level, where because of low demand, they need to up their prices to stay afloat, making entry even that much more expensive! And motorboats are taking whatever is room is available, too. There are a couple of yacht clubs that do ok, but those are elite. The 'middle' market is slowing disappearing. The dinghy market is doing ok, though. People can't afford to buy and maintain yachts and are getting dinghies instead. Hopefully that'll keep the sport going.
  2. people make less money relative to before (middle class) everything is more expensive (cars, houses) there are more ongoing high-cost 'necessities' (smart phone, laptop, 4K TV, cable, internet, netflix, gym membership, kids' school, kids' afterschool programs) basically the middle class is changing and/or being squeezed out of money faster than it can make it, and the aspirational 'lifestyle' that is being actively marketed to it revolves around having gadgets, sending kids to expensive schools and being fit and healthy at a gym. there are no sailing ads on TV, or at least none that position it as an everyday thing to do, like running. a middle-class salary covered a lot more in the past than it does now. housing is 10x more expensive where I live (Toronto) than 30 years ago, while salaries have maybe doubled. even 5 years ago I would've afforded a boat and a house for the salary I make now, whereas now I can barely afford a tiny condo - no boat in my future. the way I see it, sailing made sense as a leisure activity when you had less lifestyle ads telling people what to buy, less technology to play with, and money and time to spend on stuff. now, it's back to being a luxury that even the few who actively seek it out have a hard time joining in (love sailing, but hate have having to crew on other peoples boats - I'm there for fun, not to be yelled at for some slower-than-utopic gybe on a 30 year-old boat sailed by 50-60 year olds in a 5 boat PHRF div 2 race in 10 ktn of wind). my 2c.
  3. RS700 Newbie Video

    oh, that sucks. hope you'll get it sorted out soon! as far as capsizing, I can't say I'm a king, since I'm still a complete chicken after having a single-handling skiff for 3 seasons now. I still don't venture out in more than 12kt winds, and probable spend way too much time in the boat
  4. what is it, dago?

    something I want, but will never justify to get
  5. How Does Buying a UFO Foiler Work???

    Everyone here is demonstrating good use of computer, internet and forums - to find trailer 1) apply knowledge towards local 2nd hand market websites, 2) buy trailer
  6. Where can you get solid boat reviews?

    I dunno - 2 years is a looong time to be thinking ahead in boat-buying terms, especially single handed skiffs. For example, 3 years ago I bought what can only be described as a mutated single handed skiff (the Quetzal - I have the blue boat), which is super fun! sailed it a bunch for 2 years, and this year... not once. Why? Whenever it was sailing weather I was either on other people's boats or getting a rental to go sail with my significant other. So now we're looking for a 2-person or bigger boat that we can enjoy. My point: wait until you have money to spend and then make a decision. What you want now may not what you want in 12-24 months from now. In the meantime, go out and get test rides and crew for people who have boats like the ones you like. Cats, as mentioned, are also fast and fun and are more flexible in terms of taking them out yourself or with others. edit: you mentioned light air - here in Toronto we're the capital of light air (we get excited about a 'heavy air day' when it gets over 16ktn) I would seriously consider a cat: they're pretty fast in light air, especially a 18. their sweet spot is 10-12, but singlehanded you can get it flying a hull in 8 with a bit of practise.
  7. this reminds me of playing in waves on a windsurfer - so much fun and sooo many wipeouts! I found that in wind where the speed coming down a wave gets me going way faster than where the sail can still work, I end up using the sail purely to balance against, not speed. Maybe holding the mainsheet directly in your hand (1:1) and balance the boat and yourself with it could work for this, too?
  8. No worries, I had to learn this the super-hard way, too! I went about it the math and physics way, since I got a couple phd's and engineers that I can bombard with questions, and in the end, sailing is all about forces balancing each other. The things I figured out are: 1. This one is pretty obvious - your weight is the balance against the force on the sail. That's why we hike or trapese to flatten the boat. Because we all are of a certain weight, we can 'force/muscle' our way through certain maneuvers up to a certain windspeed, and afterwards things start to fall apart. That point invariably is where our weight is too small to balance the force in the sail - yours looks to be at about 20mph, mine is 14-16. Over that windspeed we're basically 'pulled' by the sail in the direction of the wind. 2. Using speed to decrease the force of the wind in the sail. Once I started going through jibes faster while I flicked the sail I could easily flick the boom with just a light tug and with me just being in the aft. This was possible since with speed I decreased the apparent wind on the sail and it lost some if its force, allowing me to maneuver it as if it blew 5 ktns less. 3. Staying DDW during the 'flick' of the sail, especially as windspeed is well over what I could 'muscle' the boat around with my weight. By staying DDW and putting myself all on the way aft, the force of the wind is now along the length of the boat, not the beam. This means that that with me on the aft corner, my weight has a MUCH bigger leverage against the sail vs just hiking off the side, due to the distance between me and it. Also, the boat itself is less prone to nosedive vs capsizing sideways due to hull design (cats are more prone to nosedive than dighies, for ex.) 4. Do it quick - hesitation leads to a swim in the drink. Speed is key, as any time spent at DDW will slow the boat down. Better abort and get some speed back than force the sail through to other side. The lady in the laser video was doing it so fast that it looks like a non-event, when in fact is was probably blowing just as much as in your vids. That's who I want to be like when I grow up! The Aero is a flat planing dinghy, boat heal will slow it down significantly, similar to a skiff. Laser technique will make it a more laboursome and slow jibe, look at how single handling skiff sailors do it and practice in lower winds. Here's a good, but slow, example from a musto skiff:
  9. Redneck Laser

    damn, these vids make me want to put an even bigger spin on my over-canvased silly skiff!
  10. New dinghy launched this month - Outsider

    Just to clarify a couple of things I should've mentioned from the start: 1 - blades are fibreglass on production boats. The boat you see in the video was probably still one of their prototypes - that lake is probably frozen solid now. 2 - the price is in CAD not USD. Right now the CAD is at a 13-year low and still sinking vs the USD at 1.34CAD for 1 USD (yeah, I'm not going states-side anytime soon). 3- as Dave pointed out, these guys produce massive amounts in no time. When I asked them what production volume will be like, the (pretty quebecois) girl at the booth told me they're currently producing 40,000 watercraft a year, so the delivery date of April is pretty much 100%. They'll pretty much produce whatever they get orders for. They produced the Invitation and a bunch of other dinghies in the 80/90s for other brands. This is their first home-spun one. 4 - the boat is sold online only - probably to keep cost down, as the moment you involve dealerships, those guys need to make 15-20%, too.
  11. Just ran into this at the Toronto Boat Show: https://outsider-sailboat.com/en/ Their intro price of $4,950 CAD is basically free in USD - $3,500. Even at full price of $5,800 CAD/$4,000 USD it's still the cheapest fiberglass dinghy on the market. Cheaper by far than even the entry-level plastic boat from RS (at least in Canada). Looking at it next to a Laser and RS Aero (they were side-by-side, almost), it's a way simpler boat, geared for the learning and recreational market. If you sail recreationally, I think this is probably the best value-for-money option out there right now. They're built by Roski (http://www.roski.com/en/) in Quebec. Sailsize is 5.5m which can be reefed to 4.5m. There's an optional 6.5m that comes with a different mast base, but you need to buy it in addition to the standard one, not instead. They may have to change that, as it's $1,000CAD extra. I'd get this for sailing around. Heck, for $5K I may even convince a friend to get one and race against - even finding decent Laser's for that price is tough here. Specs: Length 3.34 m / 10.96 ft Width 1.33 m / 4.36 ft Weight 62 kg / 137 lbs Capacity 150 kg / 331 lbs Material: Fiberglass
  12. rs aero

    I know Fogh Marine has been waiting on a container for a bit. I'm not sure how things work, but there are often delays at customs or ports. Our first container of Aeros we had to wait almost 10 full weeks in transit... took forever..... Now it's much fast, our next container of Aeros arrives next week after about 5 weeks shipping time. -- I also bought, uh, a lot of the production from the early part of the year, so, maybe blame me Glad our Canadian friends are getting on board. Hopefully some of you come to the gorge for North Americans. Going to be rad, sailors coming in from all over the country. Fogh Marine had a RS demo day this sunday and they had their RS Aero there (supposedly there's only 2 in Canada so far). Unfortunately traffic busted my plans (45min to drive 10mi/16km one way - mmm, no), so yet again I missed the opportunity to get on one. Spoke with them about getting one and the wait time is about 8 months right now. If you want one for next year, put your money down NOW! Yes, they're still waiting for the 1st container to get here with about 10 (already spoken for, of course) in 1-2 weeks time. Maybe we'll get see some OD racing in Toronto harbour this summer - it'd be fun!
  13. rs aero

    was just about to ask the same question - anyone local got theirs yet? Am very interested in getting one, myself.
  14. Gunboat G4 Foiler

    The argument can be made that any future 'foiling cruisers' for the masses may actually be monos, if the new IMOCA 60s are to go by.
  15. Gunboat G4 Foiler

    How it flipped: