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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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    Looking to crew in Toronto on a sportsboat
  1. something I want, but will never justify to get
  2. Everyone here is demonstrating good use of computer, internet and forums - to find trailer 1) apply knowledge towards local 2nd hand market websites, 2) buy trailer
  3. I dunno - 2 years is a looong time to be thinking ahead in boat-buying terms, especially single handed skiffs. For example, 3 years ago I bought what can only be described as a mutated single handed skiff (the Quetzal - I have the blue boat), which is super fun! sailed it a bunch for 2 years, and this year... not once. Why? Whenever it was sailing weather I was either on other people's boats or getting a rental to go sail with my significant other. So now we're looking for a 2-person or bigger boat that we can enjoy. My point: wait until you have money to spend and then make a decision. What you want now may not what you want in 12-24 months from now. In the meantime, go out and get test rides and crew for people who have boats like the ones you like. Cats, as mentioned, are also fast and fun and are more flexible in terms of taking them out yourself or with others. edit: you mentioned light air - here in Toronto we're the capital of light air (we get excited about a 'heavy air day' when it gets over 16ktn) I would seriously consider a cat: they're pretty fast in light air, especially a 18. their sweet spot is 10-12, but singlehanded you can get it flying a hull in 8 with a bit of practise.
  4. this reminds me of playing in waves on a windsurfer - so much fun and sooo many wipeouts! I found that in wind where the speed coming down a wave gets me going way faster than where the sail can still work, I end up using the sail purely to balance against, not speed. Maybe holding the mainsheet directly in your hand (1:1) and balance the boat and yourself with it could work for this, too?
  5. No worries, I had to learn this the super-hard way, too! I went about it the math and physics way, since I got a couple phd's and engineers that I can bombard with questions, and in the end, sailing is all about forces balancing each other. The things I figured out are: 1. This one is pretty obvious - your weight is the balance against the force on the sail. That's why we hike or trapese to flatten the boat. Because we all are of a certain weight, we can 'force/muscle' our way through certain maneuvers up to a certain windspeed, and afterwards things start to fall apart. That point invariably is where our weight is too small to balance the force in the sail - yours looks to be at about 20mph, mine is 14-16. Over that windspeed we're basically 'pulled' by the sail in the direction of the wind. 2. Using speed to decrease the force of the wind in the sail. Once I started going through jibes faster while I flicked the sail I could easily flick the boom with just a light tug and with me just being in the aft. This was possible since with speed I decreased the apparent wind on the sail and it lost some if its force, allowing me to maneuver it as if it blew 5 ktns less. 3. Staying DDW during the 'flick' of the sail, especially as windspeed is well over what I could 'muscle' the boat around with my weight. By staying DDW and putting myself all on the way aft, the force of the wind is now along the length of the boat, not the beam. This means that that with me on the aft corner, my weight has a MUCH bigger leverage against the sail vs just hiking off the side, due to the distance between me and it. Also, the boat itself is less prone to nosedive vs capsizing sideways due to hull design (cats are more prone to nosedive than dighies, for ex.) 4. Do it quick - hesitation leads to a swim in the drink. Speed is key, as any time spent at DDW will slow the boat down. Better abort and get some speed back than force the sail through to other side. The lady in the laser video was doing it so fast that it looks like a non-event, when in fact is was probably blowing just as much as in your vids. That's who I want to be like when I grow up! The Aero is a flat planing dinghy, boat heal will slow it down significantly, similar to a skiff. Laser technique will make it a more laboursome and slow jibe, look at how single handling skiff sailors do it and practice in lower winds. Here's a good, but slow, example from a musto skiff:
  6. damn, these vids make me want to put an even bigger spin on my over-canvased silly skiff!
  7. Just to clarify a couple of things I should've mentioned from the start: 1 - blades are fibreglass on production boats. The boat you see in the video was probably still one of their prototypes - that lake is probably frozen solid now. 2 - the price is in CAD not USD. Right now the CAD is at a 13-year low and still sinking vs the USD at 1.34CAD for 1 USD (yeah, I'm not going states-side anytime soon). 3- as Dave pointed out, these guys produce massive amounts in no time. When I asked them what production volume will be like, the (pretty quebecois) girl at the booth told me they're currently producing 40,000 watercraft a year, so the delivery date of April is pretty much 100%. They'll pretty much produce whatever they get orders for. They produced the Invitation and a bunch of other dinghies in the 80/90s for other brands. This is their first home-spun one. 4 - the boat is sold online only - probably to keep cost down, as the moment you involve dealerships, those guys need to make 15-20%, too.
  8. Just ran into this at the Toronto Boat Show: https://outsider-sailboat.com/en/ Their intro price of $4,950 CAD is basically free in USD - $3,500. Even at full price of $5,800 CAD/$4,000 USD it's still the cheapest fiberglass dinghy on the market. Cheaper by far than even the entry-level plastic boat from RS (at least in Canada). Looking at it next to a Laser and RS Aero (they were side-by-side, almost), it's a way simpler boat, geared for the learning and recreational market. If you sail recreationally, I think this is probably the best value-for-money option out there right now. They're built by Roski (http://www.roski.com/en/) in Quebec. Sailsize is 5.5m which can be reefed to 4.5m. There's an optional 6.5m that comes with a different mast base, but you need to buy it in addition to the standard one, not instead. They may have to change that, as it's $1,000CAD extra. I'd get this for sailing around. Heck, for $5K I may even convince a friend to get one and race against - even finding decent Laser's for that price is tough here. Specs: Length 3.34 m / 10.96 ft Width 1.33 m / 4.36 ft Weight 62 kg / 137 lbs Capacity 150 kg / 331 lbs Material: Fiberglass
  9. I know Fogh Marine has been waiting on a container for a bit. I'm not sure how things work, but there are often delays at customs or ports. Our first container of Aeros we had to wait almost 10 full weeks in transit... took forever..... Now it's much fast, our next container of Aeros arrives next week after about 5 weeks shipping time. -- I also bought, uh, a lot of the production from the early part of the year, so, maybe blame me Glad our Canadian friends are getting on board. Hopefully some of you come to the gorge for North Americans. Going to be rad, sailors coming in from all over the country. Fogh Marine had a RS demo day this sunday and they had their RS Aero there (supposedly there's only 2 in Canada so far). Unfortunately traffic busted my plans (45min to drive 10mi/16km one way - mmm, no), so yet again I missed the opportunity to get on one. Spoke with them about getting one and the wait time is about 8 months right now. If you want one for next year, put your money down NOW! Yes, they're still waiting for the 1st container to get here with about 10 (already spoken for, of course) in 1-2 weeks time. Maybe we'll get see some OD racing in Toronto harbour this summer - it'd be fun!
  10. If I remember correctly the 65s were built with 2 VORs in mind, after which the option is open whether to continue with these or do something else. Looks to me that the 1st VOR was a huge trial run of these boats and now that the feedback is in, they can carefully start working towards V2 of the 65s, not for the next VOR, but for the one after. Having this amount of time vs the ridiculous short timeframe they had the 1st time around would give them the chance to develop something way better. This would mean that the VOR boats could get better in every single way. I hope this is what they'll do. As for the 65 vs 70s performance - personally I couldn't care less as long as they look as impressive as they do! I've followed this race since the 08/09 one (had registered a VOR specific twitter account for that race to push all VOR news automatically thru it, which I later passed on to VOR themselves once they figured out their online marketing). Fell in love with Puma's 1st boat and the followed with bated breath their 2nd crazy trip to the most remote island on earth, and finally rooted for Groupama. This time around I have been glued to the YT channel and watched all the 2h+ live coverages to my SO's dismay. All of this to say that I, as a fan of the race, can't tell the difference between the 65 and 70 apart. They're plenty fast, they can still do 500+ miles per day. The biggest difference comes from them being glued together throughout the race - and that's something that puts every person on the edge of their seat - and I LOVED IT! I think this VOR edition was a proof of concept - it's about getting the fans to watch it on an ongoing basis because you NEVER know when something happens on the water, while allowing more casual viewers to come and go, since there is always tight racing taking place and the details of a particular team don't make such a big impact to the racing action overall. You can have the proverbial cake and eat it, too, so to speak.
  11. was just about to ask the same question - anyone local got theirs yet? Am very interested in getting one, myself.
  12. The argument can be made that any future 'foiling cruisers' for the masses may actually be monos, if the new IMOCA 60s are to go by.
  13. How it flipped:
  14. I'd take the offer of a bigger dinghy and do it in that. I'd be surprised if you do better than 3kn upwind and 6kn downwind VMG in 5-10 breeze - that's ~20h on a Laser 2 and it will be brutal, even if you're in excellent shape.
  15. a bunch of ppl at the club I used to sail out of made their beach dollies using home depot wood, outdoor carpeting and whatever large-ish diameter inflatable wheels they have. you want large wheels to easily go over stuff and inflatable so they, well, float! If you solo it, having a good handle on it makes a world of difference. the club also had a winch on a post right in front of the ramp making it easy for solo sailors to pull their boats out - maybe you can rig something like that if the ramp's too steep to pull the boat out by yourself. you can probably build one for less than $50 similar to this: http://www.hobie-cat.net/hobie-cat/images/produits/accessoires/mao/4-roues.jpg