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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
    • B.J. Porter

      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.


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  1. Congrats
  2. What club you going to join?
  3. The F1's all weighted in well over 80kg, up near 84kg. And the new Exploder AD3 was much more acceptable weight of between 77kg and 79kg.
  4. I think the answer is pretty simple cap the fleet at 100 like it used to be. Make people have to qualify to enter the Worlds. This will make the qualifying events like the Nationals here in Australian all that more important. (This probably won't be good for you Simon as you won't qualify ) Plus having one start of 100 boat is a whole different type of racing compared to splitting the fleet in 50,60 or 70 boats. This will also reduce the amount of time the leaders have to wait around for the next race to start with the front foiling boats almost timing the back of the fleet out.
  5. I see the unfair racing continued over night . Would be good so see Mischa sailing in some light air. Oh and I have been told by a very reliable source that the regatta is being run on such a small budget that the sailors aren't even getting a regatta T-Shirt. What are the worlds coming to? hehehe
  6. There is no outer or inner course Simon. The fleet have been split into a morning and afternoon groups cause the event doesn't have enough motor boats and people to run two courses at the same time. So the morning session had very little wind and did a lot of drifting and the afternoon session had a nice 10-12 knots with flat water. Not very fair racing I would have thought. I know I would be very upset if I copped the morning session.
  7. Yes, I know of at least one head injury that would have been avoided if a helmet had been worn. Near misses? Many, which is why a fair number already wear them. As for compared with other boats, what boats are you comparing with? There are very few that go anywhere near the speed of a foiling A. There is the Moth, where some people are wearing helmets when the breeze is up. Top speeds on A's have increased by about 35% in the last 2 years. Add the catapult effect you can get when things go wrong and your head could be hitting hard objects at well over 30 knots. It seems to me that a concussion is now a realistic injury waiting to happen. And that is before we start to talk about closing speeds and crashes. The event that made me realise that helmets would be a good idea was in abut 20 knots, going downwind. I got it wrong and the boat fell off the windward foil while still getting significant lift from the leeward one. I was "T bagged", thrown forward just as a big gust hit which brought the boat upright very fast and catapulted me into the side of the boat just by the shroud. My shoulder hit the side of the boat (big bruise) and I don'r know how my head missed the shroud plate. If it had hit it at that speed and force, it would have been a very dangerous situation. earlier this year, Steve Brayshaw needed 7 stitches when his boat fell off the foils and catapulted him into the side stay. Luckily it was more of a glancing blow, because if it had been more head on, the result could have been much worse. If he had been wearing a helmet, it would not have been an issue and he now wears a helmet at all time. Although not in an A (it was an F18), Stevie Brewin was nearly killed a few years ago in a collision. All accounts say his head came within a very small amount of being hit, which would have killed him. Instead he "only" suffered a fractured pelvis. While it was not foiling, it shows the potential for injury and as speeds and difficulty in controlling the boats goes up, the chances of collision must rise as well. There are many, many scenarios where you could hit your head when sailing a foiling A and whether this has increased because of foiling is hard to say. However, the real issue is speed and although there have been no studies done in sailing, we do know that research in other areas has shown that an increase in speeds from 20 km/h to 30 km/h (not far off what we have seen in A's due to foiling) increases the risk of head injury 5 times. For me, the evidence suggests that without helmets, we will see a really serious head injury. Do we wait until then to bring in rules? I can confirm Simons comment that I did get 7 stitches in the side of my head while foiling on my A. Like a few people people on here used to think I was to cool for school and chose not wear a helmet even though I am sponsored by Forward Sailing and had a helmet sitting in the trailer. There was absolutely nothing I could have done to prevent what happened bar wearing a helmet. The boat jumped off the foils and threw me forward that quickly my head swung straight into the side stay. From that day forward I am the first person to put a helmet on when foiling conditions are present. Being on the trapeze right in the back corner of the boat is just like being on a swinging pendulum if you slip or boat bucks, so the A cat is very different to the moth. The Forward Sailing helmet that I wear is that light and that good that I don't notice it's on my head so there is absolutely no issue wearing one. I am no dud at sailing or foiling A Class Cats so if I can get hurt then I'm very certain that others sailing these boats also can.
  8. I didn't think I did that badly? I suspect he was winding up a few people who sailed the boat including you, Jonno, Whitepointer and Demon - and he got a rise from you (or maybe he just thinks you were shit ) Excuse me Simon but please don't put my name in there as being somebody that raced that piece of shit. I did sail it on Sydney Harbour one day to try and help him out. Straight away I told Dario that rudders were horrendous to steer with and extremely draggy. To which I was told "no your wrong the computer says they are perfect". The next day I sailed a club race at Kurnell/Botany Bay on it where I actually rounded the top mark first even beating Stevie Brewin there but once I turned the corner to go downhill it was like putting the brakes on getting passed by every single other boat. Stevie Brewin also sailed the boat after the race and his first words back to the chase boat after sailing it for less than 30 secs were "Wow the rudders are shit" The Paradox quickly got the nickname "The Combine Harvester" after that day cause it was like sailing one it was that draggy. That was the only time I ever sailed it and I don't think I even finished the first lap of the club race. So you can't really say I raced it. Worst money I ever sent flying up there to help out that Flog.
  9. Rule 8 hasn't received enough votes from all the countries in Punta Ala. So Rule 8 will remain.
  10. Simon you are so biased when it comes to Stevie. I to love Stevie and know how much work he has done and how fast he can be at times. Trust me I'd love him to win but he is coming up against a freak. You seem to always forget when it comes to Glenn that he is a professional sailor and his time on the water is probably 10 times that of Stevie. I know he might be sailing different things but it all adds up. Especially now that everything he sails is foiling. Also remember that Glenn has already done the F18 worlds just recently and he is doing the Dutch A Class Nationals 2 weeks before the Worlds. That will be plenty enough practices for a bloke that has won 8 A Class Worlds. Geez you make me laugh Simon:) Are you going to actually attend any events this year or just talk about them:)
  11. Why on earth would we want to get rid of rule 8? We are already foiling now with rule 8 in place. Yes foiling is a little tricky to do consistently and requires some new skills but like the saying goes "anything that's easy to do isn't worth doing". Removing rule 8 isn't going to make foiling any easier to do, it will just make the class even more expensive than it is now and probably completely change the current design of the class. If we remove rule 8 we may as well lift the low wind limit at the same time to 10 knots cause sailing boats with big draggy L's or v's will be shit in wind under that. Like Sonofagun said in another forum "If it aint broke don't fix it". I truly can't believe that American and UK fleets think this will be better for the class especially since a lot of their fleets have just got new boats that are foiling under the current rules. What a great way to destroy the value of your new boats. How dumb can you be? The A Cat is a magical boat just the way it is and has been since it's conception. If we decide to remove rule 8 it most likely won't even be a cat anymore. Why not just strap two hulls together and put a big T foil like a Moth between them. Does that sound like it will be a good idea? No not to me. People saying that removing rule 8 will help make it cheap and easy for older boats like the flyer to be competitive again by just inserting foils from the bottom have rocks in their heads. Inserting foils from the bottom will make the class that expensive that class numbers will most likely drop dramatically. The materials that will be needed to build these foils "high modulus" carbon fiber is about double the cost of our current foils. The hulls will most likely change because why do we need such long buoyant hulls when we are foiling all the time. Mast and sail areas will shrink because once again why do we need all that drag any more when we are going so fast? Basically we will be a Moth. Currently converting an older boat like a flyer, tool or a DNA with C boards will cost you max $10,000. That's getting a boat builder to do the conversion and buy the new foils, rudders and stiffening the transom of your boat. I know this cause I have done it myself to my own DNA and I am just as fast as all the new boats if not faster and it's defiantly stronger than all the new boats. Think about the A Cat you sail now and how much you love and enjoy it. Do you want that to change? Cause it will if we vote out rule 8. Don't listen to people that don't know what they are talking about listen to the people that do.