• Announcements

    • UnderDawg

      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

@last

Members
  • Content count

    712
  • Joined

  • Last visited

About @last

  • Rank
    Anarchist

Contact Methods

  • ICQ
    0

Recent Profile Visitors

6,867 profile views
  1. +1 on being on and ULDB. Was on one of the SC/GL 70's that day and boat speed was consistent with what you mention. I remember seeing 21kts boat speed on the first big puff with main and #3 up, next puff with main only and three lowered was 24kts boat speed. Was impressive to go over to look at Sassy afterward and see the section size of the stump that was left and also marvel that there were no super serious injuries as I don't think I'd want to be next to that stick when it fell victim to a gravity storm.
  2. Cool pic, looks like a great day to be driving the boat or even going along for the ride, thanks for the post.
  3. Semi close sisters. Same designer, size/vintage. Different builders/materials (Composite vs aluminum for Sassy) and obviously intended use (Whitebread vs distance racing on Lake Michigan/Huron). Both good looking boats in my eye although both probably did not quite hit the performance mark that was hoped for.
  4. Thanks for posting the pic, she was/is a pretty boat. I believe she is a Pedrick design (not Holland) also built by PJ though (from memory). Looks like getting ready for paint, wonder which yard would not take rig down and paint boat inside properly (away from wind, dust, rain, etc).
  5. Not sure if this type boat has been mentioned before and if it has apologies. Although I have never owned one, they look pretty nice and might fit the bill for what you are trying to do. It was produced in Cali, so better chance that there may be used ones closer to you as opposed to a boat built in the Midwest or east coast. Anyway FWIW..... http://sailingtexas.com/201501/sholder20137.html
  6. No, it's not. Lots of over priced junk. I agree, and I am willing to travel but you need to be aware of how much the travel costs. Going to Iowa to get a boat is probably a $5000 adventure when you consider time off work, fuel, wear and tear on the truck, food, lodging (it's a 3 day drive). I would have to pay for the boat to be moved but that means I still need to get to Iowa to look at it as I'm not going to take the POs opinion as gospel. Believe me I completely get what you are saying about cost and no where did I say travelling was free. I sold my 35 ft sailboat last fall and got several inquiries from far away where travel costs are double or triple what you quoted, so again I get that. Reality is most buyers buy local (final buyer on boat ended up being 3 hrs by car, 6 days by water). That said given the stuff you have forwarded that you are looking at the area you sail doesn't exactly look like a sailing mecca. In a sailing mecca you will see boat of all shapes and sizes for sale from a catalina 22 to a Santa Cruz 70. So I do stand by my statement that to get a better selection (again assuming that you are willing to pay for travel, otherwise you are stuck with whatever is available locally). Although I have never been, I would consider the PNW (Seattle/BC, etc) a sailing mecca. So logically this is probably the closest area where you might find a greater concentration of better boats/boats better suited to what your expectations/desires are. Finally great suggestions from everyone who posted from your last post on down, especially R Koch with respect to the road warrior aspect. Either way good luck, actually being a boat owner comes with a ton of positives and a few negatives (mostly financial depending on size/complexity).
  7. Although am sure the area you sail in is very nice, does not exactly sound like a sailboat mecca with respect to the used boat market. So restatement of the obvious where you come to a fork in the road and settle for whatever is available locally or do a road trip to get the boat you may really want. Have owned the bigger sister this boat (the 7.9) and liked it. Bit of a trip but sounds like it might fit the bill for what you are looking for. http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/64827
  8. Own one and like it. My thoughts FWIW, take the thoughts for what you paid-lol 1-Yes for sure, used 24's run from about 3k to one that needs love to just north of 10k for something nicer. Great bang for the buck. Like anything in life, paying more on the front end typically means less problems/better condition, etc. 2-I think it is a decent boat for light air with the caveat of similiar vintage, i.e. a Melges 24 will leave the boat in the dust, but the Melges is nearly a 20 year newer design. 3-Spin with only two people would be a little challenging. Ok perhaps in very light air (sub 8 kts) with two folks who knew exactly what they were doing, but at 18 plus and less experience, not so much. 4-You are not inheriting anyone else problems assuming you do your do due diligence (i.e. hire a competent marine surveyor) and let them look the boat over and report back. With respect to surveyors your results may vary so make sure they are both qualified and competent. As with anything in life, have reasonable expectations. If you think the 3k boat you might be looking at is bone dry/structurally perfect and has a complete sail inventory that is less than a regatta old that is not to reasonable. Any boat of that vintage is likely to have some moisture present, the trick is to get a good surveyor and see if the boat has any major structural/moisture related problems. Restatement of the obvious but the buyer (you) pays for the survey. 5-With respect to the Impulse they are two different boats. In regard to the PHRF number the Impulse is faster, but there is no opportunity to race the Impulse OD so again like anything in life there are trade offs. As a general statement if you can go a little higher in price, a newer design (i.e. sprit boat) such as a J-80 (roller furling jib, A-sail somewhat easier to manage than symmetrical spin) might better serve the short handed aspect you mention. Good luck in your search, boat shopping is a ton of fun, especially when done vicariously with someone else's funds.
  9. Try J24 Forum http://sailingforums.com/forums/J24-Equipment-For-Sale/
  10. You would be sued so quickly it would make you pivot around your 1 brain cell and then get you released from further insurance adjustment work . Pretty evident at the beginning of the vid, that they were not under power, nor had a jib unfurled and the main at boom level. Indicating a potential failure of the main halyard. Also, that the Martin 242 can be sailed easily under mainsail only, should not stop you from pontificating on a subject of which you clearly have little knowledge. You must be blind. The jib is clearly unfurled and luffing at the beginning of the video. It's pure speculation the main halyard broke...we don't know why the main is down. The boat is heading to the left, which appears to be a safe direction. They're well to windward of the pier, and look to be able to clear it and head towards deeper water. They never get the jib sorted out, but jibe around onto a course that heads towards being embayed...they can't get out unless they get the boat moving. They never get the jib trimmed. Skipper is holding the tiller hard to leeward...they are essentially hove-to, drifting sideways. No-one makes an effort to get out the anchor (if carried). The two crew in cockpit just sit there.Now, I agree it's not negligence. We don't know the full story, but the video appears to indicate they didn't know what they were doing. At no time does it show a good decision being made...quite the opposite, in fact. We'll have to see what their story is, but the video is what it is. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and estimate that Da burg is nowhere near a Martin242 fleet or Santa Monica Bay. Also, that there is no way one could say that jib is unfurled at the beginning of the vid. Unfurling maybe, but not unfurled. The reality of deploying an anchor on a 2,500 lb boat in 20TWS with a swell of considerable height, is, well.....Oh, and they are mandatory. I could go into the whole, I've sailed on the SM bay for soo many years and I've raced Martin 242's for more years than I care to remember, but really, "That would be a waste of time"! Haven't sailed a 242 that I recall.I built this: And a few others. Want pics of them too? Sorry for the hijack but cool looking boat. Lindenberg 28? If so always admired them when I lived in Florida around the time when they were new. From memory there was one in Jacksonville that Bubba Ball used to own and do well with.SR.-27 #1 faster than a Lindenburg 28, about 2000lbs lighter. The Lindenburgs are very nice boats though. Sailed on them and against them a lot in years past. Cool, am familiar with the 33's as we have three somewhat nearby. Have never seen the 27 in person but looks like a cool boat. Thanks for the reply, hijack done.
  11. You would be sued so quickly it would make you pivot around your 1 brain cell and then get you released from further insurance adjustment work . Pretty evident at the beginning of the vid, that they were not under power, nor had a jib unfurled and the main at boom level. Indicating a potential failure of the main halyard. Also, that the Martin 242 can be sailed easily under mainsail only, should not stop you from pontificating on a subject of which you clearly have little knowledge. You must be blind. The jib is clearly unfurled and luffing at the beginning of the video. It's pure speculation the main halyard broke...we don't know why the main is down. The boat is heading to the left, which appears to be a safe direction. They're well to windward of the pier, and look to be able to clear it and head towards deeper water. They never get the jib sorted out, but jibe around onto a course that heads towards being embayed...they can't get out unless they get the boat moving. They never get the jib trimmed. Skipper is holding the tiller hard to leeward...they are essentially hove-to, drifting sideways. No-one makes an effort to get out the anchor (if carried). The two crew in cockpit just sit there.Now, I agree it's not negligence. We don't know the full story, but the video appears to indicate they didn't know what they were doing. At no time does it show a good decision being made...quite the opposite, in fact. We'll have to see what their story is, but the video is what it is. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and estimate that Da burg is nowhere near a Martin242 fleet or Santa Monica Bay. Also, that there is no way one could say that jib is unfurled at the beginning of the vid. Unfurling maybe, but not unfurled. The reality of deploying an anchor on a 2,500 lb boat in 20TWS with a swell of considerable height, is, well.....Oh, and they are mandatory. I could go into the whole, I've sailed on the SM bay for soo many years and I've raced Martin 242's for more years than I care to remember, but really, "That would be a waste of time"! Haven't sailed a 242 that I recall.I built this: And a few others. Want pics of them too? Sorry for the hijack but cool looking boat. Lindenberg 28? If so always admired them when I lived in Florida around the time when they were new. From memory there was one in Jacksonville that Bubba Ball used to own and do well with.
  12. Where are you located in Michigan? Is the boat trailerable/able to be moved to a competent rigger? Would probably move quickly as this is busy season for a competent rigger (getting boats ready for spring launch, etc). Depending on where you are located could suggest a business/rigger. With regard to cost saving of DIY, last time I saw that done person cobbled together a furling system in addition to other standing rigging "fixes". Net result was a gravity storm for the 33 ft boat and mast broken in two places/ not usable after that. Fortunately nobody was hurt and boat was in an inland lake at the time/quick rescue and not half way across lake Michigan in middle of night. So long story short not sure how cost of a new mast resulted in "savings" for the person. YMMV and just my two cents.
  13. Depends what the motivation is. If it were for economic reasons, the obvious answer is no. That said, any boat purchase is a heck of a lot more than about the money side of things. Other than the missing headliner, looks like you did a great job and am sure it is hard to see something you put that much care into sitting idle/unused. If you knew of someone looking/that would give the boat a good home and you were just sort of a temporary "boat foster home" (with of course an agreed upon/understood price) that you could resell the boat, sure why not. Also not to sound funny, if you want to be an admiral, again why not (people collect cars so is it really that different-disclaimer I am a recovering boat-a-holic-lol).
  14. Very sad news, the great Dane left quite a legacy both on and off the water. Still remember wearing a PFD vest bearing his name in my youth. May he have fair wind and following seas in the afterlife.
  15. +1 I don't know why I didn't think of the hydro hoist earlier! The cost to reverse the paint process would easily equal the cost of a hydro hoist and with it, if/when the times comes to sell another club member might either be interested in the package, or alternatively just buying the hoist. I am completely with Joker on the resale side of things, if you think you could resell an M24 with bottom paint for anything over about 10k, particularly one bought for sub 20k to begin with, I think that would be pretty optimistic/not likely to happen. Not sure what tow capacity is for a half ton but alternately you might look at a J 80 if you don't mind going a little slower. Has many of the features you desire and many/most of those are sailed with bottom paint. Nice one for sale in my neck of the woods on Craigslist, would be happy to sent you link if that is something you might like.