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  1. Fazisi Front Page

    Glenn and other posts directly above, thanks for the update. Although I don't claim to be a marketing expert and perhaps it would not generate enough income, my 2 cents would be to sell T shirts with the boat name and sail number on front and covering a large portion of the back the sickle and hammer symbols from the old days/Russian heritage. I would think you could get like $25 each plus shipping for a plain white short sleeve cotton T. Of course it takes large dollars to run large boats, so perhaps this would not be enough but it is just a thought.
  2. I think you pretty much have probably answered your own question and hit the nail on the head in all categories/thoughts. The J24 can't have too much carrying cost (initial cost, maintenance, etc) so for now hold and wait and see how it plays out. The J70 class looks like it has some potential for club level stuff in the sense that 1-hull numbers are now in 4 digits, could be wrong but I think like 13-1400ish and I think perhaps room to get to 1600ish in the next few years. If so, the available pool for used boats could be potentially nearly double what the M24 is. 2-So you have a few strategies here, one, like you say try and come up with sort of a sportboat "run what ya brung" class. Two perhaps try and regrow the J24 class. I realize that they are never going to be as sexy/new/updated a boat as either the M24 or J70, but, and this is a big but, they are very low cost boats to buy with hull numbers in the 5500's/large available pool of inexpensive boats and as such it may be easier to attract newbies to the class with a low cost to enter. Suspect too that the J70 class at the moment has a fair number of people in it who are willing to travel a good distant for regatta's with the ensuing expenses (motel, gas, meals, entry fee, etc) and as these road warriors leave the class, perhaps there will be some trickle down of boats congregating to the lower level/weekend warrior type budgets. Either way I think you have it spot on and figured out. Good luck, fun choices/problems to have.
  3. Not to sound funny but perhaps focus on what the key goal is. Melges 24s for example while great boats are typically not as new as the J70. So for example, if someone had 40k to spend, it would buy a nice (but older) Melges, while in the J70, you would be getting a nearly new/few year old boat. Is the j24 still raced locally with a decent OD class size and is OD class racing locally the goal? Not to sound like a politician, but focus on the goal (to own a newer boat, to own whatever has the most local OD racing, to own the fastest/"best" boat of the three for example?). Depending on the priority will probably shape your answer. FWIW I have a j24 and like it primarily for cost reasons (low initial cost, etc) although there is no OD racing here and from that standpoint the M24 is the clear winner in this locale. YMMV and just my 2 cents.
  4. Sailors Powerboat

    Sounds like some really epic memories of the boat and not a bad backdrop to play in either. Was in Palm Beach briefly over x-mas, many stops close by WPB to see my favorite but forgotten pink MORC 30 in Riviera Beach, a quick stop at lighthouse point marina, Fort Liquordale, etc before heading to Florida City/the keys. Rarefied air incomewise for sure though in that area, reminds me of the famous JP Morgan quote, "if you have to ask how much it costs...........".
  5. Sailors Powerboat

    Nice looking boat! Thanks for sharing the story and pics, pretty impressive for those who can afford it.
  6. Sailors Powerboat

    Well I am a little biased, but cruise at 15kts, tops at 21kt. 110hp yanmar turbo diesel. Micro cruising for sure, but deliveries sure do go a lot faster.
  7. Fazisi Front Page

    I completely get that and feel terrible for what has happened down there. That said there are other ways to have a hot meal, say a homeless shelter for example rather than in effect stealing from others to provide one's own needs. Just my 2 cents and obviously not everyone would agree with me.
  8. Fazisi Front Page

    Agreed. When the boat was on the great lakes (and would guess prior) she also had two very beautiful nicely laminated wood steering wheels which now look gone too. It's kind of weird, on the trek down and back to KW, there still in many places on the oversea's highway/A1A is tons of debris left, you name it, boats, household appliances, travel trailers, parts of homes, etc. In one such pile are two golf carts, one looking almost brand new. So I am thinking to myself too bad, casualties of the hurricane but then start to notice that the almost new one is missing almost everything of value, no wheels, engine, etc, just basically the shell left. Am sure the hurricane didn't magically and precisely remove everything of value, in some ways kind of a sad comment on life I guess.
  9. Fazisi Front Page

    Sad to see the news, interesting to read Brian Hancock's memories of his time on her. I was just down in KW the week before Christmas and forgot the name of the island just off Mallory Square, but behind it you could still see the distinct rig of Fazisi looking intact. Fate of all old race boats at some point in time, just sad to see a piece of history pass like that. Had two former crew mates do a Isla Mujeres race on her and they had some funny stories about the experience. Hoping someone down south will post her final resting place/fate.
  10. 8 Bells Everett Pearson

    I think you are right, being gifted and very good at what one is passionate about is a piece of the equation, but to bring it to the masses be it music or sailboats it does take other parts of the puzzle to be present too. The 32 is a cool boat and for a period of time there was a 42 on the great lakes that I also thought was a cool looking boat with good performance.
  11. 8 Bells Everett Pearson

    Cool story, thanks for sharing! The boat get's a lot of grief here but honestly, I really like it. Full disclosure I don't use it for OD racing, instead it has done everything from micro cruising in the Florida Keys, day sailing on the great lakes and the occasional PHRF race. I think the Johnson's put a lot of thought into the boat and although design and construction have moved on since then, Everett again has given me and I suspect many others a boat that they can enjoy immensely without breaking the bank.
  12. 8 Bells Everett Pearson

    From memory I think she was designed by Alden, Pearson used a stable of great designers (Phil Rhodes, Carl Alberg, etc). I think two important pieces need to come together to make a great boat, a good builder and great designer/design and Pearson was one half of that equation in my book.
  13. 8 Bells Everett Pearson

    Sad to see his passing but like every gifted person be it a musician or in this case boat builder, the legacy lives on forever. Folks bought a Pearson Vanguard new in 1966 and from that came my love of sailing/life built around it. Fast way forward 50 years and I have owned/enjoyed more recently two boats he played a part in, the J35 and J24. Passion counts in life and I am just grateful that Everett's passion was creating really great boats.
  14. 8 Bells Everett Pearson

    Countess 44 circa mid 1960's model.
  15. Key West things to do?

    Cool, glad you had fun! Stopped in Stuart briefly to check out my friends new/used Sabre 36 powerboat before making the trek south to Florida City/Keys. Not sure if you have time but slightly further south Cracker boys boatworks in Riviera Beach has a pretty nice collection at the moment. Warrior am guessing a donated VOR 70 (east coasters can chime in here, had a kings point hailing port so donated boat), along with Spookie (TP 52) and many other cool boats including my favorite pink forgotten MORC 30. Currently on the gulf coast at Venice spending x-mas with mom. Off to Orange Park on Wed to check out Jax where I used to live. Sounds like a good time coming this eve, off to the beach to do some shelling.......