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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Looking for a yard...

    I hadn't considered mcConaghy but will. It wont' be a dozen in the first year, maybe the second year.... The moulds an IP will not be owned by the yard and oversight is expected. I have had some experience with builds in vietnam and indonesia, and definitely want to avoid problems associated with "the local solution". NZ would be a good option, but difficult to make the numbers work on the final price. This is not about price alone, as the quality has to be there. This company looks interesting, but don't look like (at the outset at least) like they have much experience in series production. I like places that have a metric truckload of teak sitting around though. The spray booth with the dirt floor...not so much. Keep the ideas coming.
  2. Hi All, Perhaps not really fitting into the spectrum of CA, but since quite a few in the industry visit here....seems like a good place to ask. I am looking for a yard to build a boat....not just one. A series. Location can be just about anywhere provided the exchange rates and shipping costs work. Have been looking at Asia with a couple of options there being explored already. Boat is a powerboat, but not a "sailors powerboat". A relatively simple boat but with high end detail and finish. E-Glass Vaccum infused/vacuum foam sandwich construction possibly epoxy. Size between 40-60'. Sorry cannot tell you more than that. So for those in the know...who would you approach to do this.... smaller yards ok, but must be experienced, competent, innovative and speak english... This is a serious question for a serious project, just going outside my normal channels. cbs.
  3. Sailors Powerboat

    I know of a ~50' powerboat with a pair of 700hp diesels fed by ~3500L of fuel on board and a bunch of bells and whistles like gensets and gyros... It is a sailors powerboat because the owners other boat is a spectacularly large yacht (100+') complete with sails and loads of bright timberwork.... I guess not everybody has these things though...
  4. Its a single screw Cat C18. (de)rated to 600 HP . I don't have figures on cost of that particular engine. but a C12 at 715hp comes in somewhere around US100k each with gear box. There would have been no reason to attempt to save it after the rollover. They were the insurance companies once that happened.
  5. How do you know that the first wave would have knocked it over..... My eye says windage will be the dominant upsetting lever... You are right in that it looks like everything that opens and closes was added. Sometimes it is hard to say no, but sometimes that is necessary. Most of of the add on contained within that hull are currently worthless and would be assumed to be removed and thrown away. So you have a blank canvas of a boat to start with.... Starting with that, one can identify what needs to be done to make it work. At the end of the day, that may or may not include knocking the top tier off. For a few hundred K, whoever picks it up will be ahead... Ever seen a containership? They look worse by a long shot...
  6. I'm not, but I'd bet some cashed up individual is waiting until the yard fees on it get a little higher and whoever owns it gets a little more desperate....The lawyers aren't the only vultures out there....
  7. Because at the end of the day anything can be fixed..... I haven't seen any official report (Is there one publicly available?), but to my eye it seemed like it became unstable whilst still on the cradle. Very possible that if it was launched by travel lift this conversation would not have occurred.
  8. Why do you think a glass hull would be toast after exposure to water? Millions of glass hulls are treated like this every day. Someone will eventually pick this one up for a song and make something reasonable out of it. Yes the interior and fitout is essentially stuffed, but it is nigh impossible to build and fair the hull alone for the asking 500k min bid. Am I the only one that can see this?
  9. Origami Boat Thread

    Personally, I joined this thread when I saw a serious amount of misinformation being spouted from all sides about a subject I think I know a little about ie gz curves. There were lots of elaborate claims and counter claims that were simply incorrect, so I made some attempt to at least inform that there was more than the AVS to consider. I doulbt very many took that information in however. I am no lemming, though I do like most of the work from the "Bully in chief" as you call him. Some I do not like but thats life. I don't like some of the boats I design myself and would never want one, but I design for my clients so I understand. I couldn't care less about the bar stories of hitting things at night, random reefs, project costs and timelines and whatever if they are true or not. I open my mouth because BS exposed a very shallow understanding of many technical concepts, and spread many extremely simplified opinions as fact and denigrated those who have educated themselves sufficiently to be able make informed decisions for others and charge good money to do so. There a few in this thread that have have demonstrated education and experience. It is obvious in some of the jargon and conversations. Because they are in agreement does not make them lemmings.
  10. Origami Boat Thread

    Its people like you Perry that caused all this crap....what with your extensive design history, love of all things plastic, and ability to take postcard sketches and turn them into living objects. You should be ashamed...
  11. Origami Boat Thread

    Don't blame me.... I didn't have anything to do with it....
  12. Origami Boat Thread

    We it seems I go away for a few days and all hell breaks loose. You people cannot be trusted. On the other hand....the place looks tidier now that the rubbish has been taken to the bin....
  13. Origami Boat Thread

    I never met the original builder. I saw her after she was sold and was being refit. It was in a commercial yard. Looking in my archives, we filled in the foredeck for more deckspace, added a solid shallow draft keel and the transom platform. I did some "as built" drawings and managed some trim estimates with all the weights on/off tracking. Don't think I did any design work, only analysis. I remember I nearly went deaf while taking measurements in the laz. Someone took a sledge hammer to the outside (probably doing some fairing) and didn't know I was in there. That hurt.
  14. Origami Boat Thread

    Except of course that Llinaise eventually did go into commercial charter, and spent a while getting backpackers drunk on the GBR and elsewhere IIRC.. Was renamed "First light" around 2000 and had a grand piano in the main saloon. The framed masts were replaced with conventional rigs too. The walking legs disappeared too. Other differences...She is fully framed with transverse and longitudinal s, was inspected appropriately, and had proper stability analysis. There are also a full set of aftermarket drawings, done in cad no less. I have some/most of them on my hardrive. but I cannot take responsibility for them...I did some other work on her... Certainly not a pretty boat, but very big at around 110t loaded with 150 persons. Last I saw she was on the hard for a while, probably owing everybody money.... Too much boat and not enough return. but like all steel boats... On the market for cheap! http://nbcommercialboatsales.com.au/nevbrooks/boats-for-sale/used/commercial-vessels/custom-charter-sailing-catamaran/178719
  15. Origami Boat Thread

    50% was probably fair for CBS 1. Deadweight at 50% is around ~2300kg. Its a 50'er btw. #2 deadweight was a lot more....but so was lightship.... That boat carries around 9000L of diesel alone.... I know that is trying to compare apples with oranges, but it helps if you try to make the apple look a little like the orange. Tads calc showed 50%, so I went that way. Most people don't realise that the righting arm curves (GZ) can change considerably between departure and arrival.....