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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    Hmmm ... I didn't know Dory Ventures, LLC owned Laser ... http://lookwestlondon.com/2013/10/07/fulham-town-hall-plan-progress/ Look, yet another controversy with Rastegar ... http://sarasparyarticleurl.blogspot.com Who is this sailor named Nick Bottrill? Do 100's of sailors actually lose bits and pieces of their fingers each year? I had no idea.
  2. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    UK LASER trademark -1973 for boats, 1975 for sails, 1990 for life jackets and clothing. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmownerid/search?domain=1&id=126371&app=1&name=Velum&postcode= Looks like it claims priority to a CA TM filed in 1973. The later filed EU trademark is a CTM - Community Trademark that covers multiple EU countries.
  3. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    The first US LASER trademark application filing date is in 1974 and registered in 1976. The first EU (CTM) LASER trademark application filing date is in 1996 and registered in 2000. The first AU LASER trademark application filing date is in 1986 but it never registered and the application lapsed and was re-filed in 1994 and did not register until 1996. Easily verified facts available for free online. So when were the builder agreements signed?
  4. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    What is clear to me is that: Kirby - is a nice guy Rastegar - is an ass Heini - is naive Jeff Martin - is playing both sides of the fence and probably already has a job with the LP Union ILCA - are pawns GS - are businessmen Laser sailors -are screwed for a few years There is no way a settlement or court ruling will remove the ass from the picture and with the ass in the picture, it's going to remain a bumpy ride. Even if everything is resolved this time around, the ass will rear his ugly butt yet again. Please someone with deep pockets, buy out the ass and remove him from the game.
  5. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    Freaking awesome dude!
  6. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    http://trademarks.justia.com/858/76/n-a-85876140.htmlhttp://trademarks.justia.com/858/76/laser-85876136.htmlDoes it mean that these two are safe? BK requested that his LASER application be put on hold until a decision is made on his cancellation proceedings on the LP LASER trademarks.
  7. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    Already tried. Without BK's permission, it isn't available to the public. LP's claim is incorrect. The Copyright Office won't even tell me how many pages it is.
  8. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    Personally, I feel betrayed by the ILCA. The vote was either intentionally and deliberately misleading (fraudulent misrepresentation at worst - negligent misrepresentation at best) or their "attorney" committed malpractice in telling them the patents had expired. Which was it? The ILCA lied to the members or the members paid a shit load of money for shitty legal advice? Then we have the absolute non communication from ILCA as to what the hell is going on. They have a fiduciary to spend our money wisely. Shitty legal service and lawsuits because they booted the designer from the class are not my idea of responsible or acceptable uses of my money. And what about the ILCA's duty of disclosure or candor with their members? They have absolutely breached their duty of disclosure to me and may well have done something illegal. I want answers! And I have a mind to sue them myself to get those answers because it seems the only way to make them accountable for their actions. Now, if they've done everything right then why the hell won't the even do their duty and tell us? Personally, I don't wish to see harm come to the individual class officers or board members, but they are accountable to their membership and if they refuse to be, the organization needs to be blown apart. One direct lawsuit aimed at them will probably do that. Tell me why I shouldn't do it? I bet Kirby's attorneys firm would gladly represent me.
  9. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    Your summary is so simple and I totally agree. I wonder if your opinion is shared with those at your club, being mindful that you have an ILCA officer at your club. Has this created conflict? I wonder if the opinions of Laser sailors at clubs with ILCA officers differs from others.
  10. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    Karaya's answer was filed today on the LASER trademark cancellation. No big shakes. Velum's answer is due Tuesday. http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=92057168&pty=CAN&eno=9
  11. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    You are right KJ. I arrived late on the scene and I am unfamiliar with ILCA's voting protocol so I don't have a strong view on how the vote was conducted. I have read some of the ILCA's statements and overall I think the advice they gave class members was good advice, and the decision to revoke the problematic rule was a good one. However the main point in my recent posts is that, whatever the history behind the rule change, it will not be reversed. Even if the class officers regretted removing the rule (which surely they do not), they would be very ill advised to try and reintroduce it. The commercial parties must now resolve their dispute between themselves, either in court or through alternative dispute resolution (eg mediation). The Class Association is not going to pass a rule to try and affect the outcome of the legal proceedings. The rule issue is over. The rule issue is over? If the ILCA knowingly and deliberately misled their members into voting a certain way, there may very well be legal consequences to those actions. It isn't over until the time limit for all potential claims is up and we aren't there yet. As a class member, the ILCA has a duty to me and I feel they have fallen short of their duty, at best.
  12. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    The LASER trademark cancellation proceedings will conclude before this case. What happens to Rastegar's position if he loses the trademarks?
  13. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Nader_Rastegar Yep. Iran seized their operations in Iran in the 70s but look at how how the operations ranked in size in the world. Even dictators move the bulk of their wealth out of their country. Do you really think they kept that kind of money in a country with an unstable government. They rebuilt almost immediately after securing "financial backing." In the recent Maclaren bankruptcy Rastegar claimed he owed millions to the Hong Kong TM licensing company and claimed not to know who owned the licensing company. When pushed to answer under oath he admitted it was owned by his mother and sister. Isn't he currently trying to get the Laser TM holding companies dismissed from the Kirby suit saying he doesn't own them? I wonder if his mom owns that too?
  14. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    Really? Exactly which of the businesses in which he is involved do you think is the source of all this wealth?. Family money. He comes from the wealthiest mining family in Iran. His businesses are disposable toys or, more likely, tools for moving money around the world.
  15. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    Rastegar is most likely in the billionaire's club. This is fun and games to him. No doubt he's already positioned LP for bankruptcy. Don't think for a minute that he's feeling financial pressure.