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  1. Greenflash

    Gunboat 80

    Apologies for the slow replies we've been doing a lot of sailing on 68-03 over here, in lieu of the Cannes Boat Show. For prospective clients it's been much more valuable than a show visit, of course we would have loved to show the boat to more people. Next year, I hope life is more back to normal! I'll answer some of the questions with a little info - forgive the cloak and dagger but this is early days and we're trying to be respectful to the owners with whom we are still working through some of the steps of the project. Ah ha! It's finally happening - aft helms on a Gunboat. Here's the deal: We will do either only inside, only outside or both (Since we believe tiller steering won't be great on a boat this size). Many people love to be outside when the weather is nice. Many are happy for that the be the only spot, with a good nav station, throttles and pilot controls inside. We've still got a forward cockpit with centralized control of lines, while at a minimum the main sail controls will be at each helm+ nav - push button. This boat will likely go one step further with powered/automated controls, but that is entirely owner driven. Our ethos is to keep things simple and have backups for the majority of the functions. Sorry mate, VPLP wanted to put the 68 rig on the roof and we felt it was too much of a step (excuse the pun!). We ended up moving it half a meter aft. We are creating a giant salon on the 80, so the ratio really doesn't work well anymore, you would have a long boom and huge main that still has to be handled by 2-3 crew, so there is compelling reason to put it on the cabin top and create a little plinth for halyards in the cockpit. The aspect ratios are better, the "J" is much bigger allowing for a much bigger solent/jib/J2 on a self tacking track in front of the rig. Our forward cockpit has been completely redesigned to be as much of a lounging area as a working area. Other than the usual sail ties for reefs, there is no reason to go to the roof as all the line handling and rope-holding is done at the cockpit level. It certainly is a big decision to make and one that we plan to integrate seamlessly to create a more balanced result. Ha ha - We call that the "fly lounge", it is to be used at anchor only - if it were to be used when sailing it would mean raising the boom higher, and that comes with performance compromises. You have the choice of a flat roof covered in solar, a fly lounge or my favorite: use the fly lounge volume to create a SUP/Kiteboard/Surfboard storage box, with a hard composite cover, that can be hinged up. This cover can be fully flush and covered in solar panels. Appreciate the feedback and support. More coming.
  2. Greenflash

    Gunboat 80

    We've quietly been working on something new the past few months. Watch this space!
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    Forward Cockpit

    Ha, no of course if you're going fast then there will be a lot of apparent wind, let me clarify that statement: Because you have a wall behind you and you're tucked into a recessed hole in the boat, it is less windy that the equivalent exposed aft helm. Even on Allegra (APC Irens 78 footer), which have done an amazing job of designing a sexy and functional aft helm (They still have a forward cockpit though!), they put up little spray dodgers for sailing offshore - they reckon it is just really tiring without it.
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    Forward Cockpit

    Ah ha! A forward cockpit thread! Haven't had one of these for a few years, or... weeks. My ears were burning, so happy to delve in a little. Firstly, I am by no means a forward cockpit convert or evangelist, just happen to have built a lot of boats with them, as well as aft helm boats - short answer is it depends what you want. However, I think the idea of the fwd pit/outside helm is often misunderstood. I deal with this question 50 times a day at boatshows and literally weekly online. People often think that interior helm boats are designed with the helm inside as the driving design brief and the cockpit secondary - yet the original vision that old PJ had on Tribe (Yes I know it was done before PJ), was to sail a fast, powerful boat shorthanded and with family in a safe way. That meant bringing all the controls to a central point - the mast makes the most sense. It then makes sense to put the helm nearby and obviously you don't want it outside only, it would be uncomfortable at times. So they put it inside, where you can go into shelter when things get a little hairy. The major controls can be controlled from the helm and for anything else you're 1 step away. You don't need to stand there in 50 knots getting beaten up. Regardless, you'll be surprised how dry it is, and always relatively sheltered from the wind. There's little argument that if you want to race, nothing beats being at the back, up high, exposed and in the breeze- hence the advent of tillers on these boats. Even cruisers love to be out there in nice weather, but both cruisers and racers will agree that in bad weather that is the last place they want to be. I like aft helm cats with "protected helms", but it is sad to see that the majority of them still have a winch at the rig or base of longeron. Walking outboard and forward to handle something is definitely not as comfortable/safe as having it all in one place or going through the boat to a fwd door. Even with the lines run aft, you're always going to have a port/stbd split in operations, assuming that anything with a little performance will have 2 helms. In summary the real success factor for a fwd cockpit is that it is a real "Central Command Station". Also, check out the latest Ultime "Sodebo" that have taken that to the next level.
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    Gunboat 68

    Sorry I can't share that info - mostly because it is completely irrelevant without perspective. We do a lot more outsourcing in Europe compared to other countries so our "make vs buy" strategy means our hours would be less than comparative yards elsewhere. I like to say we do in house what we are really specialists in, if someone can do it better and more affordably than we can, we should seriously consider outsourcing it...*** as long as there isn't an IP conflict. These boats are semi-custom, high tech and take tens of thousands of hours, is all I can say. Here's a photo from 68-01 which is by and large the same setup (seat is removable, rope bag missing) Thanks Wess - it isn't as easy as you may think to find highly skilled people in the South of France, we brought in some experts from all over but a lot of the staff have been trained in house (from being a car plumber or a house carpenter, or working with only polyester before). We have an agreement with the local government to set up large training centers, we get 20 people in who do lamination or carpentry training, some of our costs are taken care of and then at the end we get the pick of the litter. Case-in-point: A woman came from being an environmental landscaping project manager (like reclaiming beach dunes etc) and retrained with us in a big session to become a carpenter. She did such a great job on board and realizing she has good admin skills and a eye for quality , I offered her to become our quality leader. She now works 80% of the time managing defect resolution and commissioning checklists and 20% of the time on our sustainability program. We're splitting waste at the source and not only recycling it, but selling it, creating a nice circular economy. Lots more to do! Now the magic really starts to happen, because we have several people who have shifted from one department to another - so we actually have what I would call "Boatbuilders!", which are all rounders capable of composites and fitout.
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    Gunboat 68

    Rig is the 'regatta' rig, which means 29 meter, rotating. Sensor wasn't on yet in the photo. We were skimming along after 4 hours of seatrials, everything is just working fantastically. We not only have ultimate confidence in structure and systems, we also have mostly the same team - so everyone knows exactly what to do and when to do it. There is the usual list of things to tweak and sort out, but I'll have that for a first weekend of tests any day! Pic sidenote: We put some batten tension in on Sunday morning to get those wrinkles out the main.
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    Gunboat 68

    Thank you! I Cannot begin to explain the efforts by the whole team and partners, from Lorima to North to Lewmar to Rigging Projects, from Cariboni that were in the Italian epicenter of the pandemic, just to name a few. Everyone juggled so many balls to get everything here on time. We had to keep the builders safe, so we had only one person per area in the boat, which meant two very long shifts for everyone. Our paint team are mostly made up of Polish guys - more like super-humans than guys - and they went home during the lockdowns, yet returned sooner than we originally expected, which made a big difference to the schedule. The owners had a blast watching the launch, they christened her properly and there's even a Swiss gold coin under the rig somewhere... Sailing this weekend! And yes, they have a full Future Fibres ECsix package. Appreciate you all following us and supporting this fantastic team.
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    Goiot Escape Hatches Recall

    We had Goiot in the office on Monday - to be clear this is for a square hatch, not for the hatch shown in the image. It is the 49.42. As I was explained: To be more technical, the square one only has dogs on one side, so the acrylic can shift on the hinge side. the round ones have dogs almost all the way around, there isn't a way the acrylic can shift, so we are safe. If you have the square hatch, stop sailing and contact Goiot or at least make a plywood cover or emergency stopper for the hole immediately.
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    New outremer model coming

    Someone commented "Lenny Whitelum" L O L
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    Gunboat 68

    Happy New Year everybody! Thanks for the support, critique, debate and for just being interested over the course of the project. 2020 here we go! Check out the last update on the Gunboat 68: https://mailchi.mp/gunboat/gunboatnews-dec2019 I've taken some screenshots of the meaty bits below. A few general thoughts - the first 2 boats of a series I generally call prototypes as the second doesn't have the time to take all the production lessons from the first. We're now into "production mode" if you can call it that for these boats. It means even if there are changes to the boat, we have a complete picture of every ramification throughout our design and production line. We have stabilized the supply chain and human resource, as well as quality control. The final step is to react quickly to on-the-water feedback from the first two boats and make changes in the line if needed. The fun part is now comes the time when we have the experience to try a few new exciting things and we've done just that in the upcoming boats, watch this space!
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    Gunboat 68

    Nope! they are custom designed Carbon seats, quick release bases and the seat can rotate. Custom square-to-round style carbon tillers. We still have some tweaks to do on Condor, but getting there.
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    Gunboat 68

    Gosh guys, thanks. A couple of years in china will ram that patience into you good and and solid. No cliches intended but I am really just a small part of a big team, long ago I realized I am not VERY good at anything, but pretty good at a lot of things so I try to just help all the guys smarter and better than me do their jobs as best they can. Some amazing people here, they are killing it. Lots more work to do and improvements to make. No rest for the wicked!
  13. Greenflash

    Gunboat 68

    Look guys and gals, Gunboat aren't involved in the "soma project" so really can't comment - there's a thread for that if you feel like it - what I can do is stick to the thread and update you all on the progress at the Gunboat 68 factory! GB6802 Dash has been back in the marina for some final hitlist items and leave for their crossing next week. GB6803 Deck was dry fitted GB6804 Was demolded and... Starting GB6805 in a couple of weeks once the mold is prepped! Check out the link for more info: https://www.gunboat.com/gunboat68-on-a-roll/
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    Gunboat 68

    This is a good bit of boatbuilding debate, as pertinent to crash protection as Kevlar vs Carbon is. Firstly some info: Stitched fabric is a bit lighter and stiffer than woven fabrics because the woven weave absorbs slightly more resin and the "rovings/strands" of material need to go up and down through the weave, where a flat stitched fabric has strands that are completely straight. However on cruising boats we have always used a woven fabric as the first layer down on the mold because, apart from some sanding-and-painting benefits and it printing less, it holds together in a crash. If you had a small to medium sized hole in the outer skin on a stitched boat, the water will actually 'tear' the strands off and apart.. and keep going all the way down the undamaged hull - they are completely relying on inter-laminar shear, whereas a woven fabric is mechanically holding itself together. Also, from the many panels I have seen tested I am pretty sure woven generally handles impact loads better than stitched. (In other words in a bowling-ball drop test). I'll let you composite guru's comment on that. For the quoted project, the micromesh fibers assisted with infusion flows but also added strength. I don't know how they would help with 'peeling' of fibres after impact. My comments above are based solely on pure woven vs pure stitched carbon cloth. Another thing to consider
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    Gunboat 68

    Everything you guys say is absolutely right - Kevlar is of course better than Carbon for crash resistance - they make bullet proof vests out of the stuff! Our conclusion was to use the minimum skin thickness requirement to benefit performance while understanding our heavy skins already gave us a huge margin of safety for impact strength, we then analyse what the crash event is doing. The vast majority of times it is from the front onto the bow or foils (and we discussed this in this thread before so please go back to check that out) - so we do a 4 level of safety which I will reiterate very shortly: A crash bow not integral to the hull skins and filled with pretty high density energy absorbing foam, then the actual hull closing out, then a crossbeam bulkhead a bit behind that, then the water tight aft sail locker bulkhead a few meters behind that. When I say Kevlar is going along for the ride, to be clear, it is not adding a significant value to the overall stiffness, but would add more impact resistance. We chose stiffness while being more than comfortable with impact loads due to the minimum skin requirements and 4-tier impact protection on bow and heavily reinforced daggerboard bearings etc.