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  2. Yoo Hoo ... Mr. Obama sir...

    Excellent.
  3. Yoo Hoo ... Mr. Obama sir...

    What we need is a lost socks thread, I can't keep track anymore.
  4. You should really read your links before posting them. You really are channeling HJ today aren't you. Look at my reply where I say: Not everyone has an LTCF, it is not required for owning a handgun, it is only required for concealed carry. That is why it is an exception to the rule. To be engaged in training, you would need to be a certified trainer.
  5. So far the only actual item that you seem to disagree with any gun owner on this thread with is tracking ammo purchases, and that is not an actual proposal but a vague concept. If there were a real proposal or details then people might be able to discuss it rationally, but there is not. Such a proposal could, I imagine be done in a way that is minimally invasive and relatively inexpensive, however I suspect it would also then be ineffective. At the same time, it is entirely possible that such a proposal could involve high fees and hour long waits to simply buy a box of .22 to shoot at cans or squirrels. When the idea is nothing but a vague concept, you are going to have some folks who imagine the fully baked proposal will look like the former while others will imagine it will look like the latter. Don't get mad at folks for imagining it could look like the latter when so many other proposals have turned out to be just like that. Let me give you a for instance to help illustrate what I am talking about. I have a little .32 handgun that I bought for $100 a year ago. My brother, who also owns guns, wants to teach his wife how to shoot but his .40 is probably not the right gun for her to learn with. If I want to give him or loan him my .32, the only way to do that is to go to a gun store and pay $60 and wait an hour or more to transfer it with a PICS check. For him to give it back to me would require that process be reversed. So a loan to my brother who I know is legal and who already owns guns will cost, at a minimum, 3 or 4 hours and $120 or more than what I actually paid for the gun. When someone proposes tracking and instant checks for ammo it is very easy to picture it resulting in ammo costing 4x what it does today and also taking hours to complete a simple purchase. At the same time, my home reloading setup would soon be viewed as a loophole by many who want even tighter restrictions. If you don't want people to fear it turns into that, then be prepared to explain in sufficient detail why it would not when there is plenty of practical experience that says it will. Unless you transfer ownership to your sister-in-law, you will not have to go through any background checks to loan her your firearm. Where did you read that? Of course, you will should be fully responsible for anything she does with it unless you transfer ownership. But you already knew that. BZZZZT, wrong. http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/a/gunlaws_pa.htm If you did not know that and loaned a handgun to your brother, you could go to jail. The only exception is if the person borrowing the gun has an LTCF. In case you are in the market
  6. So far the only actual item that you seem to disagree with any gun owner on this thread with is tracking ammo purchases, and that is not an actual proposal but a vague concept. If there were a real proposal or details then people might be able to discuss it rationally, but there is not. Such a proposal could, I imagine be done in a way that is minimally invasive and relatively inexpensive, however I suspect it would also then be ineffective. At the same time, it is entirely possible that such a proposal could involve high fees and hour long waits to simply buy a box of .22 to shoot at cans or squirrels. When the idea is nothing but a vague concept, you are going to have some folks who imagine the fully baked proposal will look like the former while others will imagine it will look like the latter. Don't get mad at folks for imagining it could look like the latter when so many other proposals have turned out to be just like that. Let me give you a for instance to help illustrate what I am talking about. I have a little .32 handgun that I bought for $100 a year ago. My brother, who also owns guns, wants to teach his wife how to shoot but his .40 is probably not the right gun for her to learn with. If I want to give him or loan him my .32, the only way to do that is to go to a gun store and pay $60 and wait an hour or more to transfer it with a PICS check. For him to give it back to me would require that process be reversed. So a loan to my brother who I know is legal and who already owns guns will cost, at a minimum, 3 or 4 hours and $120 or more than what I actually paid for the gun. When someone proposes tracking and instant checks for ammo it is very easy to picture it resulting in ammo costing 4x what it does today and also taking hours to complete a simple purchase. At the same time, my home reloading setup would soon be viewed as a loophole by many who want even tighter restrictions. If you don't want people to fear it turns into that, then be prepared to explain in sufficient detail why it would not when there is plenty of practical experience that says it will. I make my living coding and working with large data sets, so I know that a system that is at least moderately effective and relatively inexpensive, is possible at least in theory. What I am unconvinced is that our current govt, police forces, and distribution networks are capable of implementing and operating it that way. If you want to convince me, then you are going to need to come to the table with some more detail and explanation of how it will work and what it will cost.
  7. Yes. so lets do nothing. This is why the micro stamping idea never gets anywhere. The nra and every other gun group starts screaming bloody murder that it costs too much and then the fanciful hypotheticals start streaming out. You guys are so predictable. This is why gun owners will lose their rights. The fringe on both sides has portrayed them all as unbending and paranoid, and the middle just doesn't give a shit anymore. I did not think asking what it would cost or how effective it would be is considered paranoid behavior. You presented the idea. If you want to convince others to support it, knowing what it will cost might help. Likewise, it does seem that it could be bypassed fairly easily. So if it could be bypassed fairly easily and it's cost is not easily quantified, then I would have a difficult time supporting it. Every single can of coke is uniquely identifiable and traceable to point of sale. We should be doing the same with bullets. Yes, It can be bypassed. Anything can be bypassed. The gun industry's continued push back against anything that could increase the traceability of firearms is pathetic. There is no rational reason for it. Lot numbers, batch numbers, serial numbers, UPCs, etc are used to trace thousands of products in use every day. I'm not going to bother arguing this. It is an idea. The kneejerk reactions to it are quite telling. I am willing to listen to the idea, but you are going to have to do a better job of explaining it, what it would cost, and how it would be implemented if you ever expect to get people to agree with it. So you are saying only to trace it to the store? How would that help? I did a bit more googling, and still only find proposals that involve the firing pin stamping an identifier on the primer and/or case. Is there some cite you can point to, something with details of how this idea of yours would work?
  8. Yes. so lets do nothing. This is why the micro stamping idea never gets anywhere. The nra and every other gun group starts screaming bloody murder that it costs too much and then the fanciful hypotheticals start streaming out. You guys are so predictable. This is why gun owners will lose their rights. The fringe on both sides has portrayed them all as unbending and paranoid, and the middle just doesn't give a shit anymore. I did not think asking what it would cost or how effective it would be is considered paranoid behavior. You presented the idea. If you want to convince others to support it, knowing what it will cost might help. Likewise, it does seem that it could be bypassed fairly easily. So if it could be bypassed fairly easily and it's cost is not easily quantified, then I would have a difficult time supporting it.
  9. When you say microstamping, I am assuming you mean an etched firing pin which stamps an identifying mark onto the primer. If so, that is easily bypassed by filing the end of the pin or simply replacing it. Seems like an awfully expensive way to accomplish nothing. No. I mean laser engraving each primer case. We individually mark and identify everything from aluminum soda cans to packages of beef. In my line of work we have a large number of parts laser engraved. The cost is nil. The cost to do this on a primer cap production line would not appreciably increase cost, which is i'm sure where you're going next. I had not heard that proposed before. What would the cost be? What would it cost to administer the database to track billions of rounds of ammo? Dunno. Whats it cost to mark and track a pack of beef? The cost and logistics argument ain't got legs. Those hurdles were long overcome by a large number of other industries. Nobody is tracking the beef into people's homes, only through a distribution channel. I suspect that this would be quite a bit more costly than you imagine, which is likely why I have not seen it proposed much. This would imply a ban on private sales of ammunition as well. And finally, as I pointed out elsewhere, it is quite possible to reload a primer. So now you have spent ammo from a range that belongs to person A, picked up by person B and reloaded, and then used to shoot person C. The police track the primers back to person A who is now suspect number one, how does that help anything?
  10. When you say microstamping, I am assuming you mean an etched firing pin which stamps an identifying mark onto the primer. If so, that is easily bypassed by filing the end of the pin or simply replacing it. Seems like an awfully expensive way to accomplish nothing. No. I mean laser engraving each primer case. We individually mark and identify everything from aluminum soda cans to packages of beef. In my line of work we have a large number of parts laser engraved. The cost is nil. The cost to do this on a primer cap production line would not appreciably increase cost, which is i'm sure where you're going next. I had not heard that proposed before. What would the cost be? What would it cost to administer the database to track billions of rounds of ammo?
  11. When you say microstamping, I am assuming you mean an etched firing pin which stamps an identifying mark onto the primer. If so, that is easily bypassed by filing the end of the pin or simply replacing it. Seems like an awfully expensive way to accomplish nothing.
  12. Rumor has it that the only clays he uses have pictures of elephants on them.... I wonder what kind of "magazine clip" he uses to load his double barrel home defense shotgun. I actually kinda think he might be full of shit when he says he shoots skeet. I think he meant 'shoot the sheet'.... You should email that to Jay Carney, he might be able to use that one.
  13. Rumor has it that the only clays he uses have pictures of elephants on them.... I wonder what kind of "magazine clip" he uses to load his double barrel home defense shotgun. I actually kinda think he might be full of shit when he says he shoots skeet.
  14. The check is simple. But those like you who fear the unknown will do whatever it takes to avoid the system. That makes absolutely no sense. I have had my name run through PICS 30 or 40 times in the past year. The only thing I am afraid of is waiting in line 4 hours to get a box of .22 ammo, and then having to pay three times as much as I should for it to cover the costs of PICS.
  15. It would make the brass very valuable. I doubt you would see any laying around. Shooters will police their own ranges, those who don't reload would gladly sell their spent cartridges. We may need to plug that loop hole too, but lets see how it shakes out. Its a market based solution. We could keep a national no buy list. very simple to check your name against that list. It is also not simple to make ammunition. Its simple to reload, but not manufacture from raw materials. Requires specialized and expensive equipment. You do understand, doncha, that there's probably a trillion empty brass casings laying around this country? And that you can cast your own lead bullets, as easy as making a fishing sinker?.... Gun nutterz are notorious litter bugs? Why would the brass be valuable? I thought the whole instant check thing was supposed to be simple, easy, and cheap. The brass should not be any more valuable than it is now in that case.