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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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  1. + a fuckin million go to collage take up Beer-Pong go live on periscope Geo Block yer friends an relatives Feel the Power I think you have to be able to spell "college" before they let you in. just sayin.
  2. Here is a better question.... Now that I am close to 45 years old I've been around for a total of 11 Olympics of which I've actually cared about the last 7 or 8. Can some one tell my why the coverage of our sport SUCKS ASS? It was bad enough as a young teen having to wake up at 3 or 4 in the morning just to catch a 30 minute glimpse. But with todays technology what we have is nothing less than unacceptable. Yesterday was a complete joke with only a few races and no commentary, however, given that Gary was commenting I wonder if anyone actually noticed. Not to blow sunshine up Cleans Ass (Sorry Alan can't show favoritism here on SA) but the M32 series is the closest thing to real sports coverage we have ever seen in the sport of sailing. Maybe a few America's Cups in the past have been done well. For Fuck Sake - on Sunday I was watching Table Tennis and Archery during prime time at 5:00 in the afternoon. How are four Pre-pubescent South Korean Teens shooting arrows at targets more entertaining than sailing? I fuck'in hate sailing - I'm quitting and buying a ping pong table. ND
  3. Wind conditions are going to be pretty forgiving this weekend. Tomorrow look for winds steady at 12 knots out of the west. My guess is that they will set start up on the opposite side of the lake from the Yacht Club with a weather mark near the YC shoreline. Look for big shifts the closer you get to the shore especially. Saturday and Sunday look really light with winds out of the north west and slowly shifting to North East on Sunday. 5 - 10 knots is the most I'm seeing. More up and down the lake so pick a side and win it. Sorry I was a bag of shit with eyes last night and I'm sure my advice sucked. Good Luck, Cheers - ND
  4. Rich Guy Wins Yacht Race The rich guy who defeated an estimated 75 other rich guys in Monday's regatta. SPORTS NEWSNovember 10, 1999 VOL 35 ISSUE 41 Sports · Money · Competition NEWPORT, RI–Some rich guy came in first Monday in that big, famous yacht race held every year at the Newport Yacht Club, a big, fancy yacht place with "a whole lot of really expensive-looking boats and shit," sources reported. "There were a whole bunch of boats out there on the water, with all these rich guys running around on them, moving ropes from here to there and switching sails around to, you know, try to make the boats go faster, I guess," said 61-year-old Newport-area dockworker Bill Duigan, who witnessed the rich guy's stunning 11th-hour victory from more than three miles away while hosing bird shit off a pier. "I couldn't see what was going on too well, on account of they were way the hell out there on the water, but from where I stood, I guess I'd have to say it looked like that one with the blue sails was movin' at a pretty good clip. I heard he was the one that won." Duigan was then yelled at to quit talking and get back to work. The victory marks the approximately 87,000th consecutive yacht race to be won by a rich guy since competitive yachting began, oh, probably a hell of a long time ago, sources figured. "It is with great [something] that I hereby present this noble [something something] to a great competitor, gentleman and sailor, Mr. [something]," valet-parking attendant Larry Wynorski heard some yacht-club president or someone say during the gala awards dinner that followed the prestigious event, overhearing snatches of the speech from his spot in the parking lot outside the building. "This must be a really big honor for the guy who won, whoever he is," Wynorski said. "They really went all out for him. I got a buddy Pete works in food service says the boss had 'em haulin' load after load of lobster and caviar and champagne in and out of there all night long. Matter of fact, he didn't even get off work until well after midnight, and the kitchen staff is usually on their way home by 10, 10:30 at the latest." "It must've been one hell of a shindig," Wynorski added. The yacht race–which, according to these two guys Stan and John in charge of lugging cables around, is one of the biggest deals of the year for the club–attracts "shitloads" of participants from "hell, all over the world." "There was even this one guy who came all the way from, I don't know, China or Japan or somewhere like that, just to race his yacht," said limo driver William Mimms. "I'm not exactly sure where he was from, actually, since I didn't really talk to him all that much, because he kept the partition up the whole time." "Still, you wouldn't think he'd come all that way unless it was pretty important," Mimms added. "This race was a real big deal, I'm telling you." Other low-income laborers agreed. "You bet it was an important goddamn race," said marina worker Sam Tosch, who, along with his brother-in-law Bud, has a little boat he sometimes takes out fishing a bit, here and there, if he can get a weekend off, but, you know, nothing like this. "Believe me, these fellas, they take their boating real serious. I remember this one time, I was scraping barnacles off this one rich guy's hull, and he starts screaming at me, 'Be careful, you idiot! Don't you know that boat cost more than you'll earn in your whole life?' So, you can see how important it all is." According to witnesses who observed him walking down a pier on his way to the awards banquet, the rich guy who won was "snappy-looking," wearing a fancy sailor's cap and some sort of big, lambs-wool sweater from the Hebrides. They also noted that the man was tall and well-tanned, and had a beautiful lady on his arm–in addition to being, of course, rich. In recognition of his victory in the extremely prestigious competition, the rich guy received what sources within 50 feet or so described as "a big, fancy metal cup," which he held aloft while a bunch of other rich guys carried him around on their shoulders, clapping and cheering. In addition to the big cup, the rich guy also apparently received, like, a ton of money, making him even richer. Race officials could not be reached for comment on the rich guy's win, as they were cordoned off inside a special V.I.P. hospitality tent where nobody else was allowed. Club trustee Thurston Winthrop Wellington III, of the Hyannisport Wellingtons, did offer one remark, however, telling 19-year-old waitress Carrie Kallenbach to "move along but quickly, girl, if you like this job." The victorious rich guy joins a long list of rich guys who have won sporting events this year. Among the other sports in which rich guys have excelled are "boat-rowing," "that crazy-looking horse/hockey thing," and "this one other golfy sport where you take this weird wooden hammer and, like, have to hit these striped balls through little metal things that are stuck in the grass."
  5. WHo's in despite the weather forecast? At this point Hoodlum Racing is in. Might be a record breaking year despite the cold and 25 to 30 knot wind predictions. ND
  6. we'll share a house and a babysitter. May need a boat as well - long story. I'll tell you over drinks in a few.
  7. SamLowry - well said - agree on all points. ND
  8. Working on it. Might be a tough sell to my lovely pregnant wife.
  9. Well it looks like my friend Airacer has completed his Solo run on the Melges 24 100M/24H. His notes are posted below. You can check out the complete post on his blog including pictures. http://www.gnarlyruca.com/blog/ There are more than a few people on SA that should be eating their words at this point, however, I'm sure they will explain again how the M24 should only be sailed in buoy races as it was originally intended. I have only two words for all the Nay Sayers.... "SUCK IT!" Enjoy the read. LAKE ERIE SOLO M24/100M/24H August 24, 2015 Putting the M24 in Mac race mode took a considerable amount of prep work. I figured that with the boat in "coastal" mode I might as well check a few more items off of the bucket list. The Lake Erie Solo challenge is on that list. But it wasn't meant to be, at least not this year. I set off on a race of my own, for my own reasons, instead. Here is a little bit of background: In September of last year I sent an email to the GLSS regarding participating in the 2015 GLSS Lake Erie Solo Challenge. I after a few initial emails to the RC, my request was passed on to the Board of Directors. Then...crickets. In March I did some digging in the organizations website and found the board denied my request without reviewing my boat, safety gear, modifications, or talking with me directly. They basically said no sport boats. I emailed the organizations president to follow up and was responded again with a flat no, because my boat does not meet their requirements, and then cited incorrect requirements I could find reference to no where. I emailed again after completing the BYC Mack, hoping they would reconsider. Again....crickets. I had another 34 foot boat lined up to do the LE Solo on, just in case I felt my boat would be unsafe or the boat required too extensive modification. The lack of communication and general attitude made me not want to participate at all. I felt like their board wouldn't even give me the time of day. Meanwhile a bit of an internet argument on Sailing Anarchy ensued. Some people say you can't win an argument on the internet, but on Aug. 22nd that's exactly what I set out to do. The naysayers and grumpy old farts said the boat can't be sailed singlehanded, M24 guys only have "'round the bouys" skills and not offshore skills, it is unsafe, the boat doesn't have the required equipment, it will be slow without crew weight, and on and on. Basically if you can sit behind a computer and make up reasons for not doing something it has been said. I knew this going in, but all of the naysayers are flat out wrong. I enjoy sailing. Sailing to win something makes things even more fun, that's why I race. This was no race though, at least for me, there was no trophy on the line. This was no cruise either, no wine, fancy food, cushions, anchoring and swimming; just MRE's and granola bars. The main reason of my sail this weekend was to open up doors and eyes in our sport. Since I purchased my first keel boat and brought it to Lake Erie and tried to race it in a few near shore short distance races (5-20 miles) a few years ago, I have been met by much disgust, criticism, and nay-saying from a bunch of grumpy old men in the positions of power that control racing on Lake Erie. Why is this? It doesn't have a bow pulpit. Oh-goodness no. I don't want those that join our sport later and come after me to have to deal with the same hurdles and be pushed away from yacht clubs and fun races because of this attitude. Guess what you grumpy old farts, your forefathers sailed on a boat with no bow pulpit. Those that pushed our sports limits in the past, made this sport what it is today, whom you idolized: sailed with no lifelines in jeans and wool sweaters. When the current yacht club demographic floats up to the bar in the sky and leave us with piles of un-inspiring 35 foot lead mines, who will be left to race them. Don't get me wrong, they make great cruisers, but with all of the entertainment options present in our jet setting tech world racing has already felt the decline in numbers, especially on the great lakes. It's time to look into the future and start making changes to accommodate it. This isn't saying that I think we need to throw safety out the window to increase participation. Safety comes first in my world. But safety is different now than it was in the past, it evolves. Remember when you felt safe driving your 1965 Chevy with no seat belts? Safety is mainly perceived. You are never "safe". Let's not confuse safety with Darwinism. When it is your time, and a rock falls out of the sky on your head or you blow your self up smoking at the gas pump, it is your time. My version of safety is all about knowledge and preparation (risk management) in combination with physical variables (equipment, boat, other people/objects, and weather), not just one of those things. Safety requirements for day races close to shore does not need to be the same as the Fastnet. US Sailing has seemed to take notice in recent years and come up with the SER's and the Safety at Sea program. A step in the right direction: towards education and common sense not just checking a box in a measurement rule. In my humble opinion, technology, materials, and design in our sport have evolved to the point that safety isn't wrapped up in stainless steel. Many of the new style sportier boats are actually safer and more comfortable to sail than designs of the past. I encourage you, if you are one of the naysayers, step away from your current boat and get out on a sport boat. Take one for a spin. Don't forget to be safe, but once you get over the small learning curve, and open your eyes, your sailing spirit will be revitalized....that is if you don't fall off the front. Now, back to racing, err ahh, shadowing the fleet. I made the decision on Friday night not to do the entire 270 nm course to Buffalo and then Erie, but instead to start with the fleet and follow them to Pelee Passage light and then turn to round Huron R2 to starboard, Toledo Harbor Light to starboard, then back to NCYC "W" mark where the race started. This was roughly a 112 nm course and predicted in Expedition to take 27hrs with Saturdays forecast. Just enough for the GLSS "qualifier". I raised my main and left the dock at 9:30 am. At the start, most everyone was late. I intended to start 30 sec after the gun to stay out of the way, but did not realize that most people started minutes late. Well, I was there and had already timed my "outside the box" start. Off I went in light air about 50-60 degree off the wind. Auto on, A0/5 up, adjust rig....check. This was my first official/unofficial singlehanded race, I was on a boat that everyone said could't be singlehanded, and had one of the the shortest waterlines in the fleet. I had thought that I would be behind, but to my suprise I was out in front of everyone. I did't want to sit on the lead boat, so I made a course change to go below him. By 1400 I quickly horizoned most of the fleet and could only see two boats. This was an issue because I had spoke with the skipper of "Avatar" before we left the dock and agreed I would radio in every 2 hours starting at 1400 so he could make sure I was safe. I really appreciated the gesture, and hope to contact him in the future to say thank you. I found myself out of radio transmission range of the handheld VHF from the rest of the fleet. I couldn't find my masthead antenna after the Mack so I only had handhelds on board. I could hear them, but even climbing my mast a few feet and using the boost feature it seems I could not get a call out. I hope I didn't worry anyone. I tried calling out to the boat behind that I could see, but got no response and figured he had his radio off altogether or on 16. I played the routing game right and after tacking on a few big shifts the right way around Pelee Island, I couldn't see another sailboat anywhere. A huge advantage sailing the smaller boat was the ability to tack and and complete sail changes easily and quickly. I reached Pelee Passage Light and found a fisherman in a bass boat. He looked at me like I was nuts, I looked the same at him. Considering the huge lead I had, I wanted to keep sailing on to Buffalo. Had I been racing officially I would have surely continued on. Logistics hassle and my Dad's 64th birthday party Sunday afternoon said otherwise, besides I think the point was already proven about 5 min after the start. After rounding I over-eagerly thought that I could fly the A1 to Huron. I knew better but did it anyway, and managed to make a course about 10 deg off the mark, but my autopilot was not enjoying itself. Spinnaker down. The boat responds so much quicker than the auto can, I see why high dollar integrated ap's are used by the minis. That's what I get for being cheap and ordering an inexpensive pilot a few days before. Conditions piped up a bit and it was getting dark. Time to grab a bite to eat and put my night gear on. I rolled into Huron after dark doing 9 knots with 4 foot waves reaching under jib and main with the occasional wave coming over the bow. I gybed around R2 and headed for the islands. Perfect downwind sailing weather. I wanted to light it up with the big blue A2, but the autopilot was not enjoying the wave angle and there was decent traffic in the area on a Saturday night. The last thing I wanted to do was risk a collision with a drunk powerboater that didn't expect a sailboat to be going 15 knots. I was treated to a fireworks display from Cedar Point and cracked open one of the two Coors Lights I brought along. It was hard to resist the urge to pull into Put-In-Bay for pizza at Frosty's. This is why you don't see people doing long overnights on M24's. Sailing fast during the day and hitting the bar at night with your friends is usually the way to go. Why punish yourself? Oh yea, the challenge and settling the debate....back to sailing. Once I was in the lee of the islands around midnight, I hove-to, rigged the A2 and ate a MRE. After eating, my common sense prevailed and I left the A2 in the bag, after all it was only midnight and I still had to sail to 10 am. I was so far ahead of schedule that I would have run out of lake in less than 2 hours and would have to sail back upwind. I rolled up the jib and sailed under main alone making between 7 and 10 knots in perfect surfing conditions. I was met with a big freighter at 5 am at the Toledo harbor light, I had to do a 720 to give it enough room to pass before I could round the lighthouse. Once back at the west end of the lake, I did everything I could to slow the boat down, after all, I had to make my trip last 24 hours. I thought about sailing on to Detroit, but my car and trailer were here. I made coffee, had breakfast, and sailed in circles. Hot Starbucks coffee on a Melges 24 sailing singlehanded, who would have thought. The RO that started the race was out on his boat having coffee and kept and eye on the clock for me. I put the motor in gear at 9:31 am on Sunday and slid up to the dock at NCYC, making the passage under sail right on 24 hours as required. The Commodore and his wife welcomed me back and gave me a hand with the dock lines. Done. There you have it. 24 hours and 100 miles on a Melges 24.
  10. Granted this is not apples to apples and I'm sure Shocker would kick my butt in a solo effort. But the numbers are telling
  11. RKoch - couldn't find a single result for a DB-2 this season in solo or crewed regattas. I did find something interesting however. 2015 GLSS MAC Race - Lake Mich P303 finished third from last - 10:16:00 behind the leader corrected - Express 27 Shocker As a coincidence I sailed against Shocker in the Port Huron Mac I finished 4:52:95 corrected ahead of them. Hmmm.
  12. Interesting. You are waiting for them to answer your challenge, but when they ask if you have done 100 miles solo, you say blah, blah, blah. I'm glad you an j29 guy are cool now, but you did call his boat a POS. Just like you did Pearson 303. I have sailed more than 20 individual merges 24's. Half of them had to go in for extensive rebuilds. Before you say they are 20 something year old boats, my first experience with this was in the 90's. It required all structure to be replaced. The boat was professionally maintained, and was still a wet noodle. I love the boats, and the class, but they too are POS's.Solo racing is very different than crewed. It is more like climbing a mountain than it is running a race. Many of the GLSS look at it as a challenge rather than a race. They are guys with all types of skill levels and a variety of boats. I work for one of these guys. He has had some boats you would dream to have. He has sailed venues around the globe crewed, double handed, and solo. If you ask him, he would prefer to leave the crew at the dock. He would not do well in your ultimate 20 race. He has never sailed something that small. Having said this, one of his previous boats was a Grand Prix IRC race boat. We raced events such as key west with 13 crew. Mac race with nine. He also raced it Solo to mackinaw. Talk about a challenge. It was designe to be sailed with weight on the rail, as is the melges. He has since given that boat away, and concentrated on short handed sailing. He purchased a horse for the course. He loves it so much, that I am in the middle of building him a new custom version of the same type of boat. Perhaps melges 24 owners that want to sail solo should consider doing it on a boat worthy of doing so. A mini can be had fairly cheap. At least one that could be competitive on the lake against a Pearson 303 can be. Great little ocean capable short handed boat. Probably a little complicated for your average melges 24 sailor though. First of all I have a hard time believing that you have sailed on 9 separate MELGES24's and half of those had to be rebuilt.... What Hull numbers? I've owned three of them (USA 347, USA 615 and USA 740 - and i'm currently chartering GBR 593) None of these boats ever or still to this day have any structural issues. The only 24's that I am aware of that went back into the mold were boats involved in serious collision. When I talk to Andy Burdick later this month I'll fact check that statement on my own. Second - the guy you sail with sounds like a great guy that is having a ton of fun with his boat in many different types of sailing disciplines (Or multiple boats). Not all of us can afford multiple boats. What I like about the melges24 is that you can start your year off in Charleston with 40 or so others doing wonderful fleet racing. Then scoot home over the summer and do a few more OD local events, then with little MOD's do a variety of point to point PHRF races ranging from 50 miles to 200 miles. All my buddy wants is to add one more event so he can experience the Solo deal. Whats wrong with that. He's not going to and probably can't afford to buy another boat that he is only going to sail a coupe times per year. I know that I could afford that nor would I want to. All he is looking for from the GLSS is to help him get there. If his boat does not qualify than give him specifics on why it doesn't (Before he spends thousands of dollars making the upgrades). They want him to spend the money and then show up for an inspection just so they can shoot him down. Who in their right mind would ever do that. Listen - 99.9 percent of the solo boats out there were not built or designed with solo racing in mind. You stated so yourself in your last post. For example, the Pearson 303 was built and designed for single creepy dudes looking to cruise and maybe, maybe enter into a beer can regatta. Only after sidmon spent a great deal of money, effort and time making modifications did it turn it into the chick magnet racing machine it is today. Now he is able to race because he went through the process. These guys won't even entertain / sit down with airracer to coach him on how to make this happen. They just say that it's excluded because it's a sport boat. How much sense does that make? Is there a waterline rule that excludes it before you even get started.... maybe. That would make sense and then maybe you could then petition the organization to revisit that rule. I could completely understand that. But saying all of that - airacer is going to do a 24 hour run here shortly and he is going to place a tracker on the boat and post the link. Once he has the experience are they going to let him in there little secret club then? Doubtful - they will come up with some other excuse why he can't sail is my guess. Also calling boats POS's - I call it how I see it. Today after work I'm going to sail my buddy's CAL 25 - arguably the biggest 4KSB that graces your waters today. Great boat because it is so cheap and you get 15 to 20 on a line in Detroit each week with great competition ... but make no mistake its a POS. Finally before I bid this thread adieu - These two guys that I challenges were putting down the MELGES24 having zero experience in the boat calling it a "Glorified Dinghy" and generally passing judgement on something they have absolutely zero knowledge of. I knew that they wouldn't have the balls to accept my challenge before I even asked the question. I was just making a point. "Not their Game" i'd say so - their game is sitting on their couch and lobbing grenades from behind a computer. If they are such awesome / experienced sailors than come out and prove it or just ping me their names with a few of there most recent conquests..... RKoch just said that he came up here and kicked all of our asses.... in what? I'm sure. Regards, ND
  13. 1) I already spent a summer up there kicking y'all's asses.2) kicking your ass again isn't going to get either you or M24 entry into a solo race. If you won't start your own solo group, and want to be accepted in theirs, then the only path is to stop acting like a 5yo throwing a temper tantrum, and get out there and do some solo trips on a M24. If you want to prove yourself, then prove yourself...huffing and puffing on an Internet forum proves nothing. 1. What races and in what boat? Doubtful 2. You have to kick my ass in A race to use the term AGAIN. As for the solo part I think you are going to get your wish.... No me as I have said so many times that I don't care to do a solo race but I believe the airacer is gearing up to make a run shortly - Stay tuned. If he comes up with a MOD package that isn't too expensive than I will take a look at it.
  14. Nope - Still False Bad Habits - GLYC - Detroit Boat Bushwacker - BYC - Detroit Boat Engager - PHYC - Lake Huron Flyswatter - Charlevoix Yacht Club - Technically on Lake Charlevoix (Certainly not considered a Chicago Boat) Das Boot - CYC - Chicago Vayu - CCYC - Chicago Sociable - MYC - Not Chicago but I'll give you that one just for shits and grins Technically speaking it looks as if your 5 Lake Michigan boat count is also BS. Just say'in ND
  15. Question...... Has anyone ever looked at the numbers regarding Detroit boats traveling to Chicago vs. Chicago boats traveling to Port Huron for each of the Mac's? Sure you probably have a surge every other year out of delivery convenience but i'm curious about the trend. My guess is that there are more Detroit boats that travel to Chicago but that is only a guess. Ropetrick - Sounds like the 40.7 class should only be upset with themselves. Following boats are signed up to do Chicago but not Port Huron: Koko Loko La Tempte Mojo Rumb Runner Spanker Turning Point These are the people that you should be upset with..... not the OA that is sticking to its guns on a minimum number. Oh and bye the way out of the seven 40.7's signed up for Port Huron only TWO are from Chicago. I'm not sure where you got you Five number from - That is FALSE! ND