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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Gantt, you've done more than anyone else to shut down this topic - you've drowned it under mountains of misguided, irrelevant, made up tripe, so there is pretty much nobody left willing to actually engage in a real discussion. As soon as anyone tries to engage you race in and bury them under the weight of your crap. The only people left are those who enjoy a laugh at your expense. And Gouv.
  2. Of course the judge has a copy. But what about Gannt, who appears to know what is in the affidavits? What's his connection? I think Gantt just makes stuff up.
  3. So what model do you propose as an alternative? I can't see how it would be better for YA to support dozens of small classes - surely a smaller number of big classes will produce higher quality sailors? It's one of the things that scares non-sailing parents of new sailors away from the sport. They want to know how to get their kid involved, and the first thing they hear is all the inter-class arguments about whether the sabot, opti, bic, minnow, or something else is better. If sailing is going to grow, these choices have to be simple (or not a choice at all). And the same goes the whole way through the pathway.
  4. They cultivate the pipeline by supporting (through funding, coaching support, etc) a squad of sailors to travel to the Worlds, the world cups, and whatever other big regatta is deemed to be on the program, designed to provide the experience you mention. I suspect the powers that be would think that they've done plenty of cultivating - every sailor in the AST and ASS are given bucketloads of support. The Olympics aren't part of a development program, they're the end goal.
  5. From what I've heard over the years, it's not so much about the cost of sending the athletes to the Games. The bigger deal is that future funding arrangements for sports are determined (in part) by past success, and some of the measures of that success include the ratio of medals to athletes and the ratio of top eight results to the number of athletes. Sailing received about $25 million in funding over the four years since London, 16% more than the previous four years. This increase was in large part due to the success of the London team, both at the Olympics and at World Championships leading up to the Olympics. Sailing was (and is) seen as having good governance and a top notch high performance framework and has been used as a model for other sports since London. From the Aust Sports Commission:
  6. About ten years ago, Laser sails in Australia were $1100, plus numbers. Word spread that you could buy a sail from the US for $530 (with numbers attached) plus shipping. Exchange rate was about the same as now. I don't think PSA sold many sails that year. They eventually dropped the price and since then seem to have kept it around 10% more than what an import would cost. I guess they've worked out that a 10% premium is what the market will accept to buy locally.
  7. Email below received from PSA this morning...
  8. Not sure, I haven't heard. I hope it's coming at the same time, but no word yet. sound like repeating B14 history,a Byte comes in 2 versions surely not a carbon top with a dacron sail? Actually composite rather than carbon. Not intended as a performance improvement but a way of avoiding the existing problems with masts bending and breaking. Bend characteristics, weight etc are identical to the aluminium, just better longevity. We hope.
  9. Not sure, I haven't heard. I hope it's coming at the same time, but no word yet.
  10. Don't worry, I share your scepticism. All I know is that people in a position to know about these things say it's done.
  11. Who said it's acceptable? It's crap. Always has been, no matter who's in charge. Problem is that we don't elect the World Council - not directly. Each District elects a District committee. Then the District committee chairs elect a regional chair who becomes the World Council rep. The World Council reps then elect the President, etc. The sailors don't get to choose who is on the WC. We don't choose our own representatives. And they don't ask us what we think. Odd thing is that the Constitution allows the WC to appoint any additional members that it wishes to. For example, the ILCA VP, Hugh Leicester, is a World Council appointment - the sailors didn't elect him, even indirectly. The WC themselves did. This isn't a criticism of Hugh, I barely know the guy. But the system sucks. Imagine how different it would be if there were at least a couple of popularly elected WC members? You'd end up with people keen to engage with the sailors, that's for sure. The system is set up to maintain the power in the hands of those who already have it. And the system gets to choose who has that power.
  12. Gantt, let's just say I have a well placed source and leave it at that. Not trying to mysterious, just that I'm probably breaching a trust by sharing the information. But the culture of secrecy embedded at the ILCA really pisses me off, so whatever. I imagine announcements aren't far away, maybe waiting until after the WC meeting, and I've already seen a trickle of news from other feeds. Ask your local ILCA kingpin, see what they say.
  13. The sail agreement is in place with all parties. November 1 is the date it becomes legal. Always a chance something will go wrong, it's the Laser class after all, but the deal is done. ILCA WC are all getting together for a meeting in North America towards the end of the month - interesting timing considering the court dates hey?
  14. What's going on is that the new sail will be in the market and class legal within a couple of months at the most. Except for the ISAF World Cup (and no doubt the Olympics)which will still require the old sail. Retail price will be about 25% more than the current standard sail.
  15. That's a pretty biased reading of the attendance table. The laser fleet at the UK open nationals was down in 2014 but there were still 144 boats across the three rig sizes. 214 boats on average over the last five years. Plus the Laser class holds a separate Masters Nationals each year - 71 boats in 2014 and a 90-odd five year average. The Solos had 68 boats last year, and an average of 86 over the last five. Strong numbers, but hardly 'kicking the Laser into touch'. The Laser class is definitely not dying, and it's not just being propped up by the Olympic circus as someone claimed above. 480 boats at the Masters Worlds last year - the Olympics has nothing to do with that. Good luck to the Aero, the Solo, the D-Zero, and the thousand other classes out there - I'm sure they're all great boats. It's a shame people feel the need to put down what is arguably the most successful racing class ever, just to make their choice of boat sound better.