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    Seems to have been particularly oriented towards boats....for the last 55 years or so!
  1. Ben Lexcens designs

    Thanks "Froggy" for this picture of Guia III. Would any, by chance, know more about this boat? This boat absolutely amazed me the few times I saw her, and raced against her. I fell in love at first sight when I saw that neat flush deck, her aft waterlines extending right to the transom, and moreover her perfectly designed galley (yes: why not take this as a reference of well conceived boat?), large and with a nearly closed "C" shape, good for all weathers. Her cold molded hull was a delight to see inside, all varnished. All the beds, perfectly positioned as outwards as possible were just a piece of canvass lashed on a pipe....my personal favorite! But when sailing....she was disgusting! I mean: ....for who was competing against her! She was, from what I understand, a light boat, and her speed downwind showed that (I was at that time the "skipper" of RORC Class 1 "Coriolan", a Dick carter as you and Chorus know). During the "Semaine des Bouches" (Porto Cervo racing week) 197* (?), while we were longer, bigger, heavier, more sail etc...and feared for our capability to beat to windward in strong winds, she was just....faster! I must say to the dischage of Corialan that the man at the helm was good in light wind but plain bad in waves. He sadly lost his life with all on those board on the "Airel", a very light boat... made even lighter by not taking the security gear aboard, against all rules! R.I.P. During that same race, we were on the same tack as the ex' gaff schooner "Vagrant", one of the biggest Nat. Herreshoff schooner designs (who was not in the race, of course), sistership of "Mariette" but rigged at that time as staysail schooner, and fitted with the biggest (Sparcraft?) aluminum mast I ever saw. Vagrant was under staysail and forestaysail only, something these "American" staysail schooners very much like in strong winds, not at all undercanvassed....and she was not going one knot faster than tiny little Guia III. What was the secret??????????? I know she had a bad ending: while being on Atlantic crossing delivery with experienced crew (one had sailed round the world but going form farthest North to farthest South and far up the Amazon on a tiny cold molded boat: "Damien"), she was attacked by a whale while in the Atlantic, and sunk . Crew was all rescued....
  2. Dick Carter design boats

    Thanks a lot Chorus for refreshing my memory, and Moody Frog (pourquoi Moody: aurais tu, toi ausi, travaille chez Moddys a Southhampton, ou est-ce simplement to "mood" de vieux Breton?) for the pictures and other infos on Coriolan II. Sorry to all for the thread drift since this boat was not a Dick Carter design. Dede Beranger: Ah! He was the one who helped me getting the job on Coriolan after Tonio had left. A jolly good fellow, and a hell of a great sailor too! How many miles but also how much good time we had in Sanary together.....we were young at that time....!!!! Michel Schiek (oui, ca devait s'eppeler quelque chose comme ca): a very gentleman and always very pleasant friend of Ch. de Galea - which was not the case of all of them!!! Anyway: seeing these pictures, Moody frog (comment t'appelles tu? Moi c'est Luc Vernet), also reminds me of one feature I designed, on Coriolan's chart table as I said, which was the two big hatches each side and just aft of the mast. Their intent was to enable to pull down the spinnakers through these hatches while inside the saloon right below, and also hoist them, protected by the main, through these hatches after having eventually prepared them in the saloon with wool strings as we used to do in those days . I don't know if they ever were used for that, how good/ bad it was if used, or if they were just awfully positioned slippery surfaces too close to the mast, and dangerous holes when open ??? :-( Not surprised that the (small) side cockpits were not too comfortable, specially the leeward one , and having to crawl from one to the other right below the boom, with these winches in the way, must have been a PITA!!! Well: racing not supposed to consider comfort, isn't it ? I thought this boat had been scraped....maybe not if she was later used by Jean Marie Arthaud (R.I.P.)...??? Does anyone know?
  3. Dick Carter design boats

    Hi, "Froggy" (qui es tu donc???) Coriolan II did not have a bulbous bow, although her designer, Jan Kjaerulff (not sure of the spelling anymore....) , was a strong proponent of this feature and used it on some of his cruisers. He was working, at that time, with Paul Elvstrom (no need to introduce....!) Hiring this young designer (E.K), Ch. de Galea was actually doing a gamble similar to when he had asked Dick Carter to design the first Coriolan, which was D. Carter first "big" boat. Talking about the change of name from "Le Cid", this beautiful E. Cornu 12m CR., to "Coriolan", Christian found that if "Le Cid" was sounding nice, "Le Cid II" (le cidre...), and all the following names would be just wrong! Coriolan would be another "Grand" name that would better accept being followed by numbers... When I got the first designs of what was going to be Coriolan II in hand, I was as puzzeld as Christian de Galea was shocked! There were two cockpits, a very wide one aft for the helmsman with two steering stations, and a big central central one for maneuvering. To get from his aft cabin, situated in between these two cockpits, to the saloon forward of the central cockpit, he would have had to crawl in a less that a meter high "tunnel" below the central cockpit. Not exactly the style of the gentlemen Ch. de Galea was!!! The profile was showing - and has been kept such - a dead-straight keel as the hull was finishing, aft, with a huge, voluminous bustle. Prismatic coefficient must have bee high, for sure, but forget planning with such a shape, something Coriolan loved doing (well: until green water was runing on the deck!) . The scantlings were worrying. I specially remember Christian asking me what was the diameter of the forestay on Coriolan (=12mm.) and if I thought the 8mm. (!!!) that had been specified for Coriolan II would be make it rigid enough? I reworked (on Coriolan's chart table) the general layout, proposing to have two long maneuvering cockpits leaving full headroom in between, and where I located the galley constituting of a whole central element entirely gimballed, and at least preserving full headroom between the owners cabin and the saloon. I also proposed something you all have seen now, but which was a first (and I am quite proud to mention that): a huge wheel whose lower part would be in a well instead of the two separate steering station and the complex system it involved. No more than a month later, this feature had been adopted on "France" the 12m JI that j.Kjaerulf and P. Elvstrom where working on, and has been seen everywhere since. The construction was done by "Chantiers La Perriere", absolutely miserably! This was their first aluminum built, and I know that some later laughed at themselves for all the mistakes they had done on this build! The boat also suffered from an impossibly high rating, and was totally unsuitable for IOR racing. So, she was sold to I do not remember which French racing woman (please refresh my failing memory there), who got some acceptable results after many modifications. That boat was finally scraped. After that, Christian left racing for a while, and got himself a "Swan 65 (that he loved!) for some years before getting the race virus again with (was it Vaton's???) Coriolan IV. Our relation had deteriorated since I did not want to go racing in the channel with Coriolan II that on top of that I had foreseen would be a miserable boat, and have have never seen Christian de Galea again after that.
  4. Dick Carter design boats

    Hello Yves Marie, Absolutely great thread, and thanks to you, YM.T. specially for showing the drawings of so many Dick Carter's boats. Would you, by chance, have anything about "Coriolan" (the first of the name: the D. Carter designed one). Her lines were closely derived from Tina, and it was the success of this boat that made Christian de Galea ask Dick for the biggest boat he had designed at that time. It was a good gamble!!! Coriolan, which you certainly well knew, was a remarkable boat, and the best French "Class 1 RORC" boat at her time. After some good races in the channel on her first year, she moved down South and had Toulon as her home port. After "Tonio" had left, I was the "skipper" of Coriolan in 75/76 (her last racing years). We were not called "skippers, in those days, but more humbly "marins de yacht" as a good part of our duty, besides the maintenance, deliveries to the owner's cruising sites or to race departures/ after race returns, was also service aboard for the owner and guests. In those days, racing boats were, before anything else: yachts, and had to be back in "yacht style" the moment the races were over. There were some characters in our gang, starting by Raphael (R.I.P.), who taught me how to sharpen a scraper (and taught Alain Gabbay how to do a bowline knot: we were just young boys in those days), and later Boris Terpin, skipper of Von Karajan's "Helisara" one to three, Juan Ochoantesama, skipper of "Emeraude" one to three, Jean Michel Strauseissen (R.I.P.), skipper of many boats but the best being "Fantasque" (the Silvestro built, Mauric designed Class two), and the maxi that followed, "Pipo" (R.I.P...again!), skipper of Chrismur II (S.S. designed, F. Maas built sistership of Ragamuffin) on which boat I raced as crew, and had as skipper later when she was not a racer anymore, and so many others, many gone now, whose name I have forgotten....and history has too!!! So many memories, but it was definitely "Coriolan" that gave me the best ones, from when we got caught in gale force winds in the Middle Sea Race and did beat "Ondine" in the night - just to lose all our advantage in the Messine straights later...! (I was just crew at that time) , to the most fantastic start I ever lived after a miserable Week of Porto Cervo where the crew (I was then the "marin de yacht") had damaged nearly all our spinnakers doing "spi-vole", ripped off part of the deck as a Lewmar 55 that went away like a cannonball, with some twenty boats at ten knots on a downwind start, just centimeters away from each other (we led the whole fleet for over an hour!), ...or to the most ridiculous Marseille- Porquerolles- Marseille, where we were eight miles away from the departure line after... 48 hours!!!. Only Christina (a Swan 48') and a alittle devil of a flat out racer converted "Challenger" whose name I can't recall, winner of so many races, had the luck - and talent - to have caught some wind that took them away from the rest of the 50 strong fleet: two boats only finished the race!!! Coriolan strength was beating to windward in strong winds, and moreover from broad reach to downwind, the moment she could hoist her dreaded black and yellow spinnaker. She would the roll like a pendulum, broach after sinking her foredeck in green water, but gee: she was fast! Of course now, when I see these VOR...... :(