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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. J 121

    You have to admit that the J/111 set up is much simpler. The 111 has a break in the hand rail to allow for the hardware to move around.
  2. J 121

    Trust me, that setup has "cracked Plexiglas" written all over it. The last photo shows the inboard inhauler line OVER the vang line. You used the phrase "proper cabin". Maybe there are some boats where these things just don't belong. My problem with these things is that for the average sailor, they're just noise. Your inhauler angle means shit when you sail on a knock for 3 minutes
  3. J 121

    Those inhaulers are so clearly an after thought. That hardware is going to bang around and chip the hell out of everything. The real give away that they're an after the fact add on is the jib sheet rubbing the grap handle.
  4. blooper time!

    ... I could care less what happens to my rating. Best post ever.
  5. blooper time!

  6. blooper time!

    Sea lawyers.... gotta love um. That rule would have to have some cute wording. Something like "no free flying jibs"
  7. phrf handicap J105

    Just remember.... this sword has a double edge.... I hope your PHRF lead mines have all their lead.
  8. phrf handicap J105

    Wow.... you're an even bigger tool than I originally thought
  9. phrf handicap J105

    Dude..... don't shit the bed for the rest of the 105s that are trying to get their PHRF rating to be fair. That sail you describe would never measure in (by your own admission) so don't try passing it off as a class jib. Go ahead and put in a carbon fibre mast while you're at it. Take out the corrector weights too. Sorry that you spent the $$$$... maybe you can make some gear bags out of it.
  10. j120 bobstay solution

    Why do you need a Code 0 on a J/120? ISn't that boat rated to carry an overlapping headsail?
  11. Are J/24s Still Fun?

    I agree 100% that they are pain boxes. I'm a bowman who has done about a dozen events on a J/24. After each event, my arms would be numb from that crazy arm pit hiking they do. Part of the problem with that class is the difference between the blade and the genoa size. Being on a boat with a crew that insists on carrying the #1 into the upper teens is no fun. As boats have evolved, there are two aspects that I do not miss at all about "the old days": 1. overlapping head sails 2. repacking kites going upwind and not launching out of a hatch. I remember reading that a fleet in "El Carib" did away with the lifelines and the over lapping headsails. If the J/24 adopted the J/70 style hiking strap and limit to 2 crew hiking, I'd love it
  12. FP Anarchy kicked out of race

    + 1.0 x 10^6
  13. Pole back! From the FP...

    The Mumm/Farr 30 will go down in history as the last great boat designed for symmetrical kites with a traditional pole. The BeneSlow 36s sucked ass. Going fast downwind on a sym boat with a pole requires helm, main trim, spin trim, guy trim and pit working in complete harmony.
  14. strict class

    Didn't the J/44 class adopt one design sails that rotated through the fleet? I know I'm jumping in the way back machine on this one.
  15. J70, cheating and pros

    Moonduster postulates that the root cause here is the manufacturer. In the case of a J/70, how many builders are out there? Don't these things come off the factory floor conforming to the class rules? If not, why not?