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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. I agree 100% that they are pain boxes. I'm a bowman who has done about a dozen events on a J/24. After each event, my arms would be numb from that crazy arm pit hiking they do. Part of the problem with that class is the difference between the blade and the genoa size. Being on a boat with a crew that insists on carrying the #1 into the upper teens is no fun. As boats have evolved, there are two aspects that I do not miss at all about "the old days": 1. overlapping head sails 2. repacking kites going upwind and not launching out of a hatch. I remember reading that a fleet in "El Carib" did away with the lifelines and the over lapping headsails. If the J/24 adopted the J/70 style hiking strap and limit to 2 crew hiking, I'd love it
  2. + 1.0 x 10^6
  3. The Mumm/Farr 30 will go down in history as the last great boat designed for symmetrical kites with a traditional pole. The BeneSlow 36s sucked ass. Going fast downwind on a sym boat with a pole requires helm, main trim, spin trim, guy trim and pit working in complete harmony.
  4. Didn't the J/44 class adopt one design sails that rotated through the fleet? I know I'm jumping in the way back machine on this one.
  5. Moonduster postulates that the root cause here is the manufacturer. In the case of a J/70, how many builders are out there? Don't these things come off the factory floor conforming to the class rules? If not, why not?
  6. Are you really going to watch a bunch of hack bang their way around a race course?
  7. We have a few months until April Fool's Day
  8. When it comes to surveys regarding customer satisfaction, you need to include non-customers in your survey. In this case, survey as many boat owners as you can and ask them why they didn't come in the first place. A good survey tool like Survey Monkey will allow you to have question branches. Your first question would be "Did you attend this years event?". This would allow two branches based on yes or no.
  9. Seems like some of their larger boats could use them. Has there ever been one that came off the drawing board with one? Has there ever been one installed in later life?
  10. I think the root of most of the yelling matches is a misunderstanding of the rules. I know this seems contrary "being nice" but you should encourage your members to follow through with all protests and have actual arbitration and actual hearings.
  11. What do you need a speedo for.... You're One Design
  12. I agree with you 100%. Do you guys ever set up for inside? If so, what's your cross over on wind speed? I have sailed on J/105s and J/120s and have never rigged for an outside gybe. There have been times I wish we had.
  13. Looks like you're rigged for an outside gybe?
  14. Is that the old Moisture Missile? I don't think there are too many Soverel 33s that use an outboard engine
  15. Do you have your main halyard routed so that you can have both main and jib loaded on a winch or is main Cunningham enough?