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    help identifying this boat

    Morris Rosenfeld and his work platform
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    help identifying this boat

    The Flying Scot has that board pin roller design to this day, about 4 inches of space at the aft end of the slot on top of the trunk to roll the pin roller back in breeze, until the helm nearly neutralizes. FAST! Morris Rosenfeld used to photograph frequently on Manhasset Bay and I believe those 4 shots above to be somewhere on Western Long Island Sound. Another shot of Rosie's on Manhasset Bay where Star fleet #1 sailed in 1922. Note the gaff rigs. Star #1 is named Little Dipper. Her bow and stern are preserved in the reading room at MBYC when her hull rotted away
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    help identifying this boat

    Raven is 24’ designed by Roger McAleer with a centerboard and under stern rudder, weird way to run aground. Up until the early ‘70s there was a fleet racing in Manhasset Bay, WLIS, hulls were cold molded. When the Etchells came to be around 1973, owners upgraded and the Raven faded away Capsizing a Raven was a total disaster, usually occuring during a windy jibe, when the Yuge Main took over the helm from the puny rudder. Cape Cod also builds the Shields, 30’ S&S keel lead mine. Raven
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    Sailboat meets tug, tow line, and barge.

    On Long Island Sound a Tartan 34 didn’t see the tow, passed astern of the tug at night. Tow cable ended up between the keel and the skeg rudder and boat rode up the wire stern first towards the high bow of the barge, hanging near vertically by the skeg. All crew managed to climb the wire bridle and get on the barge. Boat eventually went under barge after skeg tore off and sank.
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    Older well known IOR Boats

    Where is Longy? Same paint job on Jubie when we on Secret Love, the bright red Peterson 45, got “tapped” by Jubie during prestart maneuvers on WLIS. Jubie was trying to steer inside us and missed, denting SL stainless toe rail track Starboard side aft. I was below in the centerline nav station of SL and got rocked off the seat, popped up out of the deck hatch just fwd of the helm (twin wheels? If memory serves) to see the aftermath. Jubie is aluminum and wasn’t damaged at all. Later after the race alongside Indian Harbor YC, Longy unbolted the bent track that took most of the hit and tossed it in the drink. SL had a minor ding in the FG rail. I was working at Banks Sails that summer, mid ‘80s (fuzzy memory) when Longy came in to get some sails fixed after SORC, sailing up from FL to Newport, inviting us to go racing on SL. He was headed with the boat to Europe for Sardinia Cup eventually. Longy can relate the details of the time Secret Love got grief from the San Francisco Pilots when Lowell North steered her under the bow of a big ship, taking a short cut during BBS. Saw Longy again a few years later in Naples, Italy on a white Baltic 55 also called Secret Love.
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    505 Acquired

    That gold anodized mast is a Proctor, probably a “D” section, among the most robust dinghy spars, but old and after decades of salt water exposure, the less noble aluminum corrodes under the stainless steel fittings. Examine all areas under the stainless to be sure there is enough metal to support the fitting, especially the tangs, butt at the step and the gooseneck track. Lube the halyard sheaves while the mast is down to make hoisting easier.
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    Mythical Front Page Upgrade

    Not good, too much clicking required to read anything. And the pictures have shrunk to postage stamps. If anything, put all the advertisements on the first page, so we click to Gigantic, Full width photos on Page 2.
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    you're not helping!

    Looks like a Dragon
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    Older well known IOR Boats

    Yup, my photos of Recluta in the ‘70s when owned by the Hanson's of Connecticut, loaned to the kids for the Beach Point Junior overnight race of JYRA, chaperoned by adult instructors and an owners' rep. There was a pre-race raftup and I got aboard to check her out on deck and down below. The coolest machine I had ever seen up to that point, treadmaster non-skid on deck. Later we saw lots of cool stuff at Minnefords of City Island. Was there for the launching of Ted Turners S&S aluminum one-tonner Lightning, snuck aboard 12 meters in shed storage including Courageous. Got a tour of America, when it was still owned by Sheaffer Brewing Company, the original owners, hauled out on the ways (railroad tracks for heavy vessels). The last Figaro, delivered (by Derecktors?) after the death of Snaith, was a smaller version of the Britt Chance designed drop-keel ketch Equation, donated to the USMMA by the estate. We got to sail it with Jobson and Chance (with his wife) practicing for the Vinyard Race. It had folding spreaders on the mizzen to allow carrying a mizzen jib upwind. Silly idea upwind but interesting on a reach. Two Spinnakers (main and mizzen) and a blooper. A big IOR canoe that was a handfull to steer.
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    Flying Scot Price

    Recommend replacing the factory wire centerboard pennent with high-tech, no-stretch rope. The class legal wire mainhalyard stretches considerably, but it also can break if two-blocked (jammed max. Tight) so, to get good luff tension in breeze, the wire must be adjusted tighter after being tensioned (stretched under sail) We take in 2+ more clicks on the main halyard winch after it has been tensioned, whether by sailing out to the start or applying cunningham to get the luff and halyard stretched out. Otherwise the main will sag down too much from max. Height. Jib halyard tension is crucial to upwind speed and it varies with wind strength. There is a toggle under the foredeck attached to the forestay on one side and jib tack wire on the other side. The toggle should be Max down on the tack side to get the jib luff tension correct. Adjust halyard tension to “just” get the wrinkles out, so loose in light air, tighter halyard as wind rises. High tech, non-stretch line should replace the stock spinnaker topping lift line and spinnaker sheets. While carbon-fiber spinnaker poles are legal, they can be fragile when stepped on in the cockpit and I prefer tapered aluminum poles, which only weigh a pound more.
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    Flying Scot Price

    Been racing Scots for over 20 years and have yet to swamp one (filling it up to the seats) even though I have capsized 3 times, was able to right it by centerboard, even did it singlehanded once. If one crewmember is reasonably quick onto the blade, it will right and the boat will not fill up. It takes 5 minutes or more on its side before it swamps. One Yuge factor why Scots are popular is that there is No crew number requirement. One can compete with 2,3 or 4 aboard. We wanted to race with our 2 kids, the weight penalty was not really a factor and we were competitive, especially in breeze. In the above photo, one kid is under the foredeck reading Harry Potter leaning comfortably on the bow bag. Nothing like have extra young hikers aboard to out power the then-reigning Rolex Yachtsman of the Year at a Florida regatta with good breeze. Scots used in community sailing centers usually replace the wire halyards with rope, though this is not class legal, it is safer and easier for beginners. Having Elvstrom bailers in the open of the bilge that are subject to being stomped on and bent and become a leaking hazard. This was an issue in Fireballs, FJs, and other designs. This is probably why Scots do not have them. No hiking straps is another contentious Scot issue. The Class answer is that if you want hiking straps, go race a Lightning or Thistle. Racing in big breeze in Scots is not for the faint. Having a 3rd crew aboard to bail while screaming down under chute is a race winning move. The chute is small and can be flown in pretty much any wind that the boat can be sailed in, at least to 30 knots. Jibing the oversized Main in Yuge breeze requires keeping the hull under the rig with some board down, but not too much board down. The flat plate aluminum rudder blade cavitates on hard reaches and can cause spin outs when it looses grip. From the factory the rudder blade is 15 degrees aft of vertical this needs to be changed to deadnuts vertical to be fast without dragging the blade around. Set the rig up to your sailmakers specs to get a light helm. The 12:1 vang is great upwind, the booms bend to about 3 inches and break at around 4 inches of bend. It is mandatory to dump the vang before easing Main around the windward mark to avoid permanently bending spars. There is no centerboard Pin, it rides on top rollers. This is great for neutralizing helm upwind in breeze by rolling the board aft 2 inches. With enough crew weight and hiking, the Scot cruises on a vanged main and leads-aft jib. There are other things to know to be quick. The luff window in the main is to see the correct location of the jib top batten, critical to upwind speed.
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    Flying Scot Price

    Unless you know you need the outboard, you will not need it and it is just raising the price. There are dozens of Scots for sale w/o the needless motor. Sailing with the motor seriously sucks, as the mainsheet catches on the bits and can cause a capsize in a jibe, seen it happen. Forget the motor if possible. Gasoline on any boat serious sucks big time Suggest looking for a less expensive Scot. Unless racing in a competitive fleet, new sails won’t be needed for a few seasons, just use what comes with the boat for starters. Most important is the trailer. They come in many flavors and having had both steel and aluminum trailers, the aluminum is worth a few hundred extra bucks if roadworthy. The steel trailers are taller, the Scot sits ON it and it is much harder to climb in and reach in from the ground outside. The aluminum trailers are wider and the Scot sit IN it, lower to the ground and one can reach into the boat when rigging, etc. without climbing in. Trust me, this is a big plus. Also you can launch in shallower water as the stern will not dive into the ramp pavement as steeply. A Scot can be ramp launched off an aluminum trailer without getting the hub wheel bearings wet, prolonging bearing life. And as the Scot is sitting lower in the trailer, the view aft from the cars rearview mirror is clear aft from an SUV, as on the higher steel trailer, the view aft is blocked by the boat. Covers and extras like tapered spinnaker pole are more important than the motor. Recent Scots have a factory installed bow flotation bag. This is an important safety feature that can be retrofitted to an older boat. The bag is required at Class regattas. All Scots were built with balsa core hull bottoms, sealed in fiberglass. Be sure the balsa seal is watertight. Fixing a spongy bottom is expensive. Older boats that have been repaired with any core other than balsa (such as klegecell, etc) are not class legal to race.
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    Star racing on TV is compelling to watch

    Scheidt was sailing an 8100 series, which, if a true hull number, would make the boat over 10 years old. Sounds unlikely that a 10 year old hull would still be competitive in top-flight regattas. Guessing the Star class builders add roughly 50 new hulls per year total. Anybody know who was sailing which Stars...Mader, Folli, Lillia? Good on Augie Diaz for retuning the winners rig before the last day. They were fast. Enjoyed the onboard interview of the winning Skipper and crew right after the last finish. Good story.
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    Star racing on TV is compelling to watch

    Knowing that the Star class hull tolerances are relatively wide, it would be interesting to know which builders are making the fast boats and which teams are using which hull shapes, unless the whole fleet are identical, which would also be good to know.
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    Star racing on TV is compelling to watch

    Link to daily racing highlights videos in the SA front page Totally enjoying watching the racing live and tape-delayed on youtube in the Bahamas Wednesday and Thursday among 2 dozen Star crews who are really good starters, tacticians and risk takers. And learned that Finn and Laser sailors make terrific Star sailors, skippers and crews. Brazilians are slick fast downwind. Old guys are competitive in Stars. Star masts are a challenge to keep pointed skyward in breeze. Wednesdays race 4 squall was very exciting and fun to watch. The several broken sticks were replaced overnight and the Frenchman Rohart managed to win a race Thursday with a retuned new one. Who says watching racing at 4 knots is boring? Not me. Check it out the SSL on youtube