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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. he's number one because he's the first mate. the second mate has to be number two.....
  2. Right.
  3. there's no rule that says I have to sail my proper course, and if my proper course is to tack then I can sail as high as i want without sailing above my proper course. even if i fail to force your tack and have to bear away to maintain speed, my proper course would still be to tack because if you were not in my way that is still what I would do to get to the finish fastest.
  4. It doesn't matter what next. If its your proper course you have a right to come up to that course. If you bear back down because you could not tack without breaking a rule, that doesnt change the fact that tacking was your fastest way to the finish (in the absence of the boat that is preventing you from tacking, i.e. the boat mentioned in the rule) The same thing happens downwind. If you sail into a boats windshadow and maintain your course you are in lower wind, you should heat up to get to the finish faster, but your proper course is not what gets you there faster, but what gets you there faster assuming the other boat was not there,
  5. Ive never said that you are allowed to sail your proper course, I merely asked if you are on a beat with no other boats around and you would get to the finish faster on the other tack, is luffing up toward head to wind as part of a tack the fastest way to get to the finish? Can you answer this question please, its really not a difficult one.
  6. What about it are you not buying? Note I did respond to you earlier comments about angles, not sure if you reviewed them. Here is what I would ask. If you are on a beat with no other boats around and you would get to the finish faster on the other tack, is luffing up toward head to wind as part of a tack the fastest way to get to the finish?
  7. Yes i read the rest of the case. It provides guidance for umpires on how to judge whether a boats proper course is to tack, which reinforces my argument that when a boats proper course is to tack, sailing above close hauled is not sailing above her proper course. I would disagree that the interpretation that you have to be clearly over standing the mark for you proper course to be to tack would apply in fleet racing, and there are numerous other cases that can be used to interpret when it might be your proper course to tack. My reference to this call was mainly to establish the principle that when it is you proper course to tack, you are not sailing above you proper course when you luff up above close hauled. The fact that when you tack normally you don't sail above close hauled for a long time is not really relevant. R17 prevents you sailing above your proper course, you are allowed to sail a slow course (e.g. pinching for a long while) because while tacking you should keep heading up, so if you are pinching and your proper course is to tack, you are still sailing below your proper course.
  8. if the leeward boat is subject to R17 then yes as soon as the start signal is given the leeward boat has a proper course and if she is sailing above it she breaks R17. Before the start signal she has no proper course and therefore cannot be sailing above her proper course and therefore does not break R17.
  9. If the wind is from 0, and the fastest course to the finish is 315 and I'm sailing 45, if I sail 25 am I sailing above my proper course? The calls books seem to think that luffing toward a tack is fine when tacking is your proper course. Here is the quote from the team racing call book D7 "When Y luffs it is clear that her proper course is to luff in order to tack towards the mark." as for the boat next to you, she is the boat referrer to in the rule, here presence does not affect your proper course as that is the course you would steer IF she were not there, if tacking is faster, and the other boat was not there, would you tack? As part of tacking would you steer up to head to wind?
  10. Your proper course is If there is more wind, better current a good shift or whatever that will allow you to get to the finish faster by tacking, how would tacking not be your proper course?
  11. Luffing up is not your proper course, BUT it is not sailing ABOVE your proper course. R17 doesn't say you have to sail your proper course it says that you cannot sail ABOVE your proper course (if........) Your are totally allowed to sail a slow course that is below your proper course.
  12. But if the other boat was not there you would be able to tack, and therefore tacking is your proper course. Since you are allowed to tack as your proper course, then luffing is not sailing above your proper course. Even though luffing is slower than sailing close hauled.
  13. Um, that's what I said, please read the post carefully before responding that I'm wrong and then repeating what I said.
  14. If your proper course is to tack, then how can sailing above close hauled be above your proper course?
  15. I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Lots of different situations, but no reasons why you cant sail above close hauled if your proper course is to tack. If your proper course is to tack then you are allowed to sail as high as you like. Which rule prevents you?