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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Obituary for Ray McLeod Ray McLeod, age 86, a lifelong Lake county resident, died peacefully Sunday February 11, 2018 with his immediate family by his side at TriPoint Medical Center in Concord Twp Ohio. He was born January 29, 1932 and served in the US Navy during the Korean War. Ray was a lifelong member of the Painesville Elks Lodge #549, a founding member of the Middle Bass Island Yacht Club and a member of the National Association of Marine Surveyors. Mr. McLeod owned and operated Douglass & McLeod Inc. from 1951-2014. The company manufactured and sold the world-renowned International 14, Highlander, the Thistle and the DM 22 sailboats. The business transformed into a company focused on repairs, winter storage, a retail store front and surveying. A marina was also added. Douglass & McLeod pioneered the use of fiberglass manufacturing the boats in the 1960s. This revolutionized the sailing industry as we know it today. Douglas & McLeod was the forerunner of Tartan Yachts. Ray was most content and at home on the water with family and friends. Traveling, fishing, and being at the boat works or in the "shop" were his favorite pastimes. Ray lived large, lived well, lived long, and most importantly was loyal to those fortunate enough to call him a friend. Ray is survived by his daughter Heather (McLeod) Rini, son-in-law Christopher Rini; and Grandchildren Jack and Anna Rini. Ray was preceded in death by his parents: Ray McLeod Sr. and Helen C. McLeod and sister Maxine "Mickey" Nicely. A celebration of Ray's Life will be held at a later date at Brunner Sanden Deitrick Funeral Home & Cremation Center, 8466 Mentor Ave., Mentor Ohio 44060. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made in his memory to Hospice of the Western Reserve.
  2. September 23, 2015. Ray got a visit from owner of Thistle Hull #7...maybe a Highlander... Can't say for sure, but can say he was a happy camper.
  3. Ray standing next to a retirement gift at his party in the Kishman bldg - Nov 2014. He pulled the last Thistle hull that had been sitting in, and protecting, the tooling for probably 30 years (not much more than a skin) and put it in a dumpster. Pulled it out when he wasn't looking (not easy to do), cut the transom off and finished it up as a retirement gift from all of us. Authentic right on down to an original builders plate, rudder gudgeons .
  4. Ray sold the yard and marina in 2014. Had a helluva a party later that year when it was time to move on.... Pic below taken at the "retirement" party we held for him in the old "Kishman" building in the yard. Birthplace of the first Tartan 27's and others.
  5. Sad to say that good friend, master boat builder and sailor Ray McLeod of Douglass and McLeod and Tartan Yachts, passed away 10:17 pm February 2018 from complications of pneumonia. Builder of Thistle, Highlander, International 14', D&M 22, Tartan 27, Tartan 34. Tartan Black Watch and many others. Ray will long be remembered for his boat building and sailing skills, his fierce loyalty to his friends and his willingness to help any boater in need.....as long as you didn't try to feed him a line of bull shit and piss him off at some time. He had one helluva a memory, get him once and you'd seldom get a second shot. Met Ray in Sept of 1976... 41 years ago. He became not only a close friend and supporter/critic(?) of my one boat build, many mods to the same and antics that followed, but an almost fatherly mentor in other areas of my life. For those who knew him; Ray could more than hold his ground - and did on more than one occasion- , was fun to be around, generous to a fault, had great respect for loyalty and was a damned good beer drinker. In his eyes there was only one way to do things, it was the right way or nothing. Yesterday the sailing world lost one it's greats, for those of us who knew him, we lost a dear friend. JA - Grand River.
  6. Lake Erie Anarchy Part 2

    Hindsight is 20-20 - and maybe they did - but throwing an anchor out may have been a better option than leaving the boat adrift. They were in maybe 25' of water. Hope for the best.