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  1. I ordered and received a complete set of Evo winches for the Olson 40. When they arrived, I was dismayed, they simply looked crappy in real life. They were very heavy. I returned them. Before ordering the winches, the visual quality difference between winches from different manufacturers was not evident. I read no comments suggesting one manufacturers winches looked better or worse than anothers. But when they arrived, bummer. This is a problem with the lack of inventory in marine hardware stores: if West Marine still had example winches on display, it would have been obvious before I ordered them. Instead, I am going with Harken aluminum Radial winches. MUCH lighter, and they sure look a lot better in real life. The Harken scalloped drum looks and feels like it holds the line better, but not enough first hand experience to be definitive. Both seem easy to install and service. Prices were very close. Oh: I bought the Lewmars during West Marine 2-for-one sale too.
  2. I do not consider SS lifelines safe, no matter what some rules body says. The explanation (not enough data) is irrational. The invisibility of impending failure in SS, compared with the trivial inspection and replacement at sea of dyneema, means SS is simply more dangerous. Safety simply must be the overriding concern WRT lifelines.
  3. Sailing a big boat like Sassy alone can be done. For certain. No question about it. I personally would not choose to do it, as I'm 60 years old now. I get hurt now doing things I had not problem doing in my 20s and 30s. When I was in my 20s and 30s, sailing that beast single handed would have been no problem whatsoever for me. The thing you need to do when sailing a big boat single handed is: 1) Be young, fit, strong, and with a lot of wisdom, so one can stay well ahead of the boat. You might get lucky if you are not young, but you won't be successful if you are even a little off the peak in any of the other areas! 2) Have a very, very reliable boat. Its the failures that are very hard to deal with. 3) Equip the boat like Ellen MacArthur would. In fact, pay Ellen as a consultant!! Use roller furlers, powered winches, captive winches, have plenty of redundancy, powerful generators. Use remote controls and software! 4) Maneuver and sail in ways to make your life easier: Use waterline instead of power! Ask for a RIB from the marina to get in and out of your dock. But why sail it single handed? You won't have a problem picking up people who want to sail that machine. I met a guy in Tuvalu who had a 50 footer something-like-a-Swan who was single. He used CrewFinder.com to find hot young girls who "liked to fuck under coconut trees" (in her own words). They would usually sign on for a month or three. There were always more when one would fly back to the "real world."
  4. Is this the first time ever that its taken so long to figure out? I'm impressed, Scooter! Great find!
  5. I agree, Rob. This is why Randy is not using foils on the new version of Sizzor he is building -- its still displacement (center hull) and planing (amas). He wants to sail around the state of Florida, 1200 miles or so, and the probability of hitting something and breaking a foil is very high. There is some chance of impact, so the further you go, the more certain a collision becomes. Sailing in shallow coastal water, or sailing in deep gyres of the central oceans, presents plenty of targets!
  6. Foils have always, and continue to suffer from damage. Perhaps we should learn from nature, and just fly low over the water using wing-in-ground-effect, rather than hydrofoils. Trevor, the effect of waves is again only important with vessels directly supported by water, either displacement or planing. So I agree that the water surface gets proportionally smoother with length, and that matters for planing and displacement boats. However, hydrofoils are essentially single point suspension, so length is not an inherent advantage. The foil on the rudder is primarily a stabilizer, not really a source of lift -- just like the rudder .vs. your keel or daggerboard. There might be some lift, but any lift leads to dynamic instability and the requirement for appropriate control bandwidth that easily swamps the processing rate of a human, for example, as speed and dynamic instability impulses increase. Having more distance between lift and stabilizer does reduce the required control bandwidth, so a person is more likely to be able to fly a hydrofoil with a lot of distance between foil and stabilizer, but using humans in-the-loop is not safe, unless crashing is both safe and part of the fun (and crashing is not safe or fun at 45 knots). The Albatross and Pelican are great examples of using a single foil (on each side of course) and still dealing with waves of arbitrary size.
  7. Length is not an advantage if the boat is not dependent on Archimedes. I had a long brainstorm with Randy Smyth, who is working in RI right now on a 40' and a foiler project that uses his Hybrid Wing concept. Paul was not specific about any physical concepts of his design. The fundamental concept is not limited by physical configuration. The concept is to separate and make dynamic the relationship between (A) the way energy is captured from the wind and (B) the way energy is utilized to move people in complete comfort. I can't even start to reduce the zillions of ways this can be done.
  8. I was working at Stan Miller Marine Hardware in Seal Beach, and the design for the 40 foot version that Tim Walker and I were designing (as part of our Westlawn course) was posted on the office wall, and examined in detail by all the other young kids who were fans of yacht design. So hundreds of people saw that drawing. The boat that I used to develop and demonstrate gaining stability using a foil to leeward of a monohull (aka DSS today, of years later) was the 5o5 Loony Tunes, owned by Randy Smyth. The C class catamaran daggerboard I used was given to me by a member at Cabrillo Beach. The number of kids that sailed with me was in the double digits. So if it came to it, the number of witnesses is large.
  9. The sailboat market is 1% of what it was at its peak. Kinda like land line phones. Paul Larsen might have the disruptive concept to fix this. It's nothing at all like a Laser: a nicer rotary dial won't bring back land lines. I love sailing leadmine monohulls. My daughter loves riding horses. Neither represents any kind of growth industry.
  10. I first did what Hugh calls DSS as research for my Westlawn studies in the mid 70's on a 5o5. Intellectual property protection is weird.
  11. I got to talk to Paul about this concept quite a bit last week. I will not say anything specific. He is in fact going down the path of a remarkably dynamic system. Modern systems that lead to major disruption are no longer static structures like anything discussed in this thread, including both sailrockets. Paul is unconstrained!
  12. Have you ever rounded up? Then it's too short. Have you ever had water on the foredeck? Then it's too short. Ever feel like you wanted to have an articulating sprit? Then it's too short. Ever missed a wave you thought you should have caught? Then it's too short. Any mini or skiff photo clearly shows the advantage of a longer sprit.
  13. There are no ugly boats in Maine.
  14. Tom, I also have zero problem with centerboards. I think you have found a ton of really good boats, any one of which could fit your needs very well. And you have proven to us all that you know how to care for and enjoy older fiberglass boats. I would just look for the best possible condition boat out of the models you have identified.
  15. In Ft Walton Beach: Randy Smyth has an F-25c, and his girl friend Linda has an F-27 further down the canal. Both keep their boats on lifts in front of their respective houses. Both fold the boats every time the come in, and unfold every time they go out. Folding and unfolding occurs as the boats motor in or back out of the canal, and literally takes a minute each side, or less. I've done it with them, and its really less bother than running genoa sheets. Having a huge wide platform when sailing makes it easy to take anyone -- grandkids, dogs, complete novices -- out sailing and everyone has a great time. Doing a chute set, gybe, or drop on an F-boat is really amazingly convenient, easy, and safe. So much better than on a mono its not even funny -- no wonder mono sailors rarely sail or use their chutes. Being able to trivially beach the boat on all those snowy white sand bars and beaches is really a wonderful thing in so many ways. Being able to anchor in inches of water to ride out a squall is very safe and secure. Randy has a dagger rudder on his F-25c, and of course on Scizzor, and that allows easy and effective sailing in very shallow water. That said, I own an Olson 40, so I understand your attraction to monohulls.