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  1. Spirit-33' s&s

    Spirit got 3rd in class, 5th overall in the 1970 Tahiti Race. Esprit, a sistership, won Class D in 1969 Transpac, but was perhaps more famous for protesting Windward Passage for a truly bogus start line infraction, enabling Blackfin to win the Barn Door that year. Esprit had a small cabin house aft of the mast, maybe 5 feet long, a foot high or less. In 1969 they added a bowsprit, perhaps 3 feet long. In 1969, Esprit's owner was George W. Phillips, Jr. Navigator was Dave Wahle. Crew was Tom Wylie, James Warfield, and Peter Buttle. In 1971, Esprit's owner was George W. Phillips, Jr. Navigator James Peterson. Crew included George Kiskaddon, George Kiskaddon Jr, Svend Svendsen, and Bill Phillips. With Ron Holland and Doug Peterson aboard Spirit in 1970 Tahiti Race, and Gary Mull working on the design while still at S&S, these boats sure influenced a lot of design talent!
  2. As Olaf points out, garden sprayers work great. A plain old plastic drinking water bottle works even better: easy to keep track of how much water you are using. Sun showers are kinda OK, but they don't last: they sometimes get leaks, but they certainly eventually get moldy. Engine driven hot water heaters are fine if you've got a "fresh water" (really, coolant) cooled inboard, and you charge using your engine every day (surprisingly common). In sunny climes (which is probably when you might consider taking a shower aboard), solar water heating can work well when not underway. This can be as simple as a long black hose on deck or on your bimini or boom tent. One fellow I know who does this used to have a hot water heater plumbed aboard. He removed his hot water heater, and put the black hose in the circuit in the same way, and put the black hose underneath his bank of solar panels on the top of his hard bimini. He showered in the afternoons instead of the morning, and found it worked out very well. Propane water heaters are a bad idea onboard for many reasons: consumes a LOT of propane; dangerous as hell; creates a lot of moisture as it burns which adds to the humidity down below; makes the entire boat quite a bit warmer below; might kill you and your family. And people have died using these things on boats. Did I mention they were dangerous? And specifically not allowed by ABYC? That every devices has a sticker that specifically says not to use aboard a boat? So your insurance may not pay your claim when your boat blows up? I mean, your heirs will probably still collect on your life insurance, but they won't fix your boat. Do you really hate your boat that much? And did I mention that people have died aboard due to these things?
  3. There was that time when I screwed up...

    I was a teenager, so of course I could do anything. Single handed sailing seemed a good skill to develop, and we had a fleet of boats to play with behind the house. Took the Cal 20 out. Pretty easy, sailing up and down the narrow channels of Huntington Harbour. For those not familiar, Huntington Harbour is an entirely residential harbor, where waterfront houses line all the channels, with floating docks, their recreational boats tied to their private docks. The channels are not wide: about 200 feet between sea walls, or about 120 feet between the outboard sides of the boats tied up along these channels. This next situation happened right here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/33°42'47.9"N+118°03'35.7"W/@33.713293,-118.0620991,806m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x80dd25a0144759a5:0xd024e772457f2a24!2sHuntington+Harbour,+Huntington+Beach,+CA+92649!3b1!8m2!3d33.7211288!4d-118.0642292!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d33.7132934!4d-118.0599161 The wind at this location was westerly blowing about 8-10 knots. I was beam reaching south on starboard, bore away to port, heading due East, DDW still on starboard tack. Eh, this is too slow. Time for the whisker pole! So I adjusted the windward jib sheet so it would be about right when the whisker pole was set, put the adjustable hiking stick against the side of the cockpit to cancel out the slight weather helm and hold the course, leapt up to the mast, put the pole on the clew, pushed it to windward and connected it to the mast, and ... as the boat started to round down due to the newly introduced lee helm ... the tiller slowly swung to starboard: the hacking stick of course no longer helpful now that the weather helm was gone ... I lept back towards the cockpit ... just in time for the boom to come across the deck and firmly push me overboard. Into the water. Boat moving about 5 knots now, directly at the docks on the north side of the channel, but still turning to port ... it turned sharp enough to just miss the moored powerboat ... went head to wind ... tacked ... continued to bear off right towards me. Without swimming a stroke, I reached up, grabbed the cockpit rail, pulled myself aboard, pushed the helm amidships, and off we went down the channel. Almost like it was choreographed.
  4. There was that time when I screwed up...

    I was giving about the third sailing lesson to a fellow who just bought his first boat, who had never been on a boat before he bought this one. It was almost flat calm, sunny afternoon. Somehow, my proscription sunglasses went over the side. I watched them slowly, slowly sinking, as the boat slowly sailed past at about a knot. $450 glasses. I jumped overboard, grabbed them, swam back up. Directed the neophyte crew through a slow speed recovery, giving instructions from the water. About two minutes later, back aboard... and then noticed my brand new iPhone was in my pocket. Cost of replacing phone: $450. At least it was a realistic MOB drill.
  5. A dollar per mile

    This fellow has travelled about 20,000 miles now on his Kadey Krogen, averaging 1.3 gallons per hour at 5.2 knots, about a dollar per mile. https://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/boats/crossing-an-ocean-on-a-kadey-krogen-42 There are lots of other costs, of course, not included in that figure. But compared to just sails, might be about right for a cruising program on a 40,000 lbs boat. What I found interesting was the ride seemed horrible, and the ability to actually go where he wanted seemed reduced compared to a decent sailboat. Of course, when I considered powering a sailboat around without a mast, probably pretty similar. Anyone try to bookkeep sail and related rigging costs on a per mile basis?
  6. lost at sea?

    Just watched this too. Much more engaging than current unapproachable event. Imagine doing that, with wife, family, friends, two young kids who knew how to sail, and a nice beautiful fast comfortable strong boat ... and beating ALL the pro and national teams!
  7. Front Page: Is Idiocy a Crime?

    Fake news. The politicians responses may have been real, but the actual event (rescues of same boat) is grossly misrepresented. Follow the link on the front page, and read the comments at the bottom. what really happened: A 10m sailboat was at sea. They experienced the storm conditions and suffered some damage. They spent days trying to get to port, and were eventually towed in. Next day, in calm clear conditions they set off, and had engine problems and got towed again.
  8. Olson 30 vs. Soverel 33

    Stand up in the Soverel, sit up in the Olson. Both sail nicely.
  9. Blue water performance cruiser - do they exist?

    You know my choice -- an Olson 40. We aren't intending to live forever on the thing. We just want to be able to be aboard as long as we feel like, from time to time. Much more than a weekend, much less than three decades. We don't intend to sail Cape Horn. We've done lots of ocean crossings, and we both enjoy MUCH MORE the day sails, or harbor hopping. Sure, a few nights at sea when needed is not frightening. But I no longer need to chase goals. I have nothing more to prove to you. I just like to enjoy myself. I think its very important to keep the distinction between a house and a boat. A boat with all the furnishings and conveniences of home is, IMHO and experience, very expensive torture. Imagine a house that is experiencing a major earthquake continuously, while being constantly bathed in corrosive substances (salt water). Expensive pain and suffering! Go ahead and sell the house and buy a boat, but keep most of the house money invested, so you can buy a house again later. Buy a boat that is a boat! Have fun! I was sorely tempted by larger ULDBs, including SC50 and SC70 and similar. The thing that dialed it back is age. Now that I'm 60, I break a LOT easier than I used to, and heal much slower. So loads simply have to be much lower. I totally agree with Daddle's sentiments: living on a boat is much more enjoyable if its much, much simpler than a house. If you keep it simple -- like renting scuba tanks or ski boats or cars or helicopters -- you keep a lot of pain and suffering and expense out of your life. You can take that stuff with you, and some do, but I have no desire, even if I had the scratch to do so (which I don't). An Olson 40 weighs about 10-12000 lbs, so similar to many moderate displacement 30 to kinda light 36 footers. This means the cost of lines, sails, gear, and the ability to carry payload, is like on those smaller vessels. That's OK, many people have sailed forever on boats of those smaller dimensions. But the Olson is such a sweet sailing boat ... BJ points out that voyaging, for most, is on the hook much more than underway, perhaps 90:10. On my many voyages over this life, 60:40 is pretty typical for me and my wife: most days we are actually sailing. On many live-aboard cruising boats, its more like 99:1, where they almost never go sailing. If you are doing this because you actually like to go sailing, then, IMHO, get a sailing boat and not a floating condominium. When you reduce things down to what you need to sail, it fits easily in a small, light boat. Really, its no problem at all. Two sea bags has been enough for me for a year, from SoCal to Europe, twice. Add an inflatable to a race boat inventory and you are all set to go.
  10. blooper time!

    Scooter, I had a Santa Cruz 27 for a decade -- from 1975 (new from the factory) until I moved to Europe in 1985. Since my brother is a sail maker, I had every sail anyone could imagine, including bloopers. The first few years, most other SC27s also had bloopers, and we often had several well sailed SC27s in any given race. After about a year or two of Wet Wednesdays and other high-frequency events, it was very, very clear that bloopers were slower. Whichever boats used bloopers were down positions or at least distance by the leeward mark, no matter which boats used or did not use bloopers. And we all sometimes used them, and sometimes did not. All these boats had good sail programs and good sailors. All the boats were new. Racing was very tight. SC27 and SC33 have essentially identical hull forms, SA/D, SA/WS, D/L ratios, so I would be astonished if this lesson did not apply to your SC33. So I would CERTAINLY fly a blooper, just because its fun and keeps the entire crew involved, and is appropriate for the era the boat was built. Like playing tunes by the Beach Boys in a '63 Corvette convertible, or Highway Star in a '71 Plymouth Cuda Hemi with a 4 speed. But I no longer care about winning trophies: I threw away a dumpster full of them in 1985. If you want trophies (nothing wrong with that!!) then don't fly the blooper. I'm turbo-ing the shit out of my Olson 40! I could not care less what happens to my rating.
  11. I like Dix's boats -- he really designs them to be inexpensive and easy to build, as he builds too.
  12. 25'-30' Sprit Boat For $75k

    If you can possibly use an outboard, you really, really want to use an outboard. Inboards basically suck in so many ways, especially if you are paying the bills. Hanging an outboard over the transom is not a problem, especially if the boat has an open transom or low freeboard. If you want to race PHRF, then you can turbo -- add a big sprit, like on a Mini 6.50. Just a big chute is cheap, as is a pole on a universal at the bow held on with dyneema bobstays, whiskers, and any little line to prevent the gravity storm. Use the existing spinnaker pole. Something like this:
  13. what is it?

    I don't have any first hand information, so this is pure speculation: I think when they converted the boat to a full keel, instead of the original keel centerboard, this added buoyancy due to the increased keel volume, and therefore the waterline is a few inches shorter than the original C40. I had to turn spreaders around like that on a boat with a very noodly upper mast section in order to get adequate headstay tension. It looked odd, but it sure worked well. Sort of like adding running backs, but without the weight and windage and complexity.
  14. NTSB releases transcript of El Faro sinking

    So many things went wrong, after midnight and before dawn. Little problems developed into big problems, where causes overlapped. Humans have a hard time dealing with this type of situation under stress (anxiety over the storm and age of ship; fatigue; lack of effective communication especially as the storm intensity increased and problems started to occur in different areas of the ship). I wonder how many of us have done effective emergency drills with everyone aboard that includes the unavailability (due to being off watch or busy working on problems) of key crew members. I must admit I have never ever done such a realistic emergency drill. Sure, the "throw a ring over and pick it up" or even the loss and recovery of someone actually going overboard. But never in combination of other likely complications, such as loss of propulsion in this case, and certainly never abandoning ship into unsuitable life boats in Cat 3 hurricane conditions. Like the Cheeki Raffiki as well, I wonder how many of us have set off on boats that had unknown fatal flaws. It really sounds like the ship and crew were doomed about a dozen hours before the ship finally went down, and perhaps even a half dozen years before. Wow.