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  1. Olson 30 vs. Soverel 33

    Stand up in the Soverel, sit up in the Olson. Both sail nicely.
  2. Blue water performance cruiser - do they exist?

    You know my choice -- an Olson 40. We aren't intending to live forever on the thing. We just want to be able to be aboard as long as we feel like, from time to time. Much more than a weekend, much less than three decades. We don't intend to sail Cape Horn. We've done lots of ocean crossings, and we both enjoy MUCH MORE the day sails, or harbor hopping. Sure, a few nights at sea when needed is not frightening. But I no longer need to chase goals. I have nothing more to prove to you. I just like to enjoy myself. I think its very important to keep the distinction between a house and a boat. A boat with all the furnishings and conveniences of home is, IMHO and experience, very expensive torture. Imagine a house that is experiencing a major earthquake continuously, while being constantly bathed in corrosive substances (salt water). Expensive pain and suffering! Go ahead and sell the house and buy a boat, but keep most of the house money invested, so you can buy a house again later. Buy a boat that is a boat! Have fun! I was sorely tempted by larger ULDBs, including SC50 and SC70 and similar. The thing that dialed it back is age. Now that I'm 60, I break a LOT easier than I used to, and heal much slower. So loads simply have to be much lower. I totally agree with Daddle's sentiments: living on a boat is much more enjoyable if its much, much simpler than a house. If you keep it simple -- like renting scuba tanks or ski boats or cars or helicopters -- you keep a lot of pain and suffering and expense out of your life. You can take that stuff with you, and some do, but I have no desire, even if I had the scratch to do so (which I don't). An Olson 40 weighs about 10-12000 lbs, so similar to many moderate displacement 30 to kinda light 36 footers. This means the cost of lines, sails, gear, and the ability to carry payload, is like on those smaller vessels. That's OK, many people have sailed forever on boats of those smaller dimensions. But the Olson is such a sweet sailing boat ... BJ points out that voyaging, for most, is on the hook much more than underway, perhaps 90:10. On my many voyages over this life, 60:40 is pretty typical for me and my wife: most days we are actually sailing. On many live-aboard cruising boats, its more like 99:1, where they almost never go sailing. If you are doing this because you actually like to go sailing, then, IMHO, get a sailing boat and not a floating condominium. When you reduce things down to what you need to sail, it fits easily in a small, light boat. Really, its no problem at all. Two sea bags has been enough for me for a year, from SoCal to Europe, twice. Add an inflatable to a race boat inventory and you are all set to go.
  3. blooper time!

    Scooter, I had a Santa Cruz 27 for a decade -- from 1975 (new from the factory) until I moved to Europe in 1985. Since my brother is a sail maker, I had every sail anyone could imagine, including bloopers. The first few years, most other SC27s also had bloopers, and we often had several well sailed SC27s in any given race. After about a year or two of Wet Wednesdays and other high-frequency events, it was very, very clear that bloopers were slower. Whichever boats used bloopers were down positions or at least distance by the leeward mark, no matter which boats used or did not use bloopers. And we all sometimes used them, and sometimes did not. All these boats had good sail programs and good sailors. All the boats were new. Racing was very tight. SC27 and SC33 have essentially identical hull forms, SA/D, SA/WS, D/L ratios, so I would be astonished if this lesson did not apply to your SC33. So I would CERTAINLY fly a blooper, just because its fun and keeps the entire crew involved, and is appropriate for the era the boat was built. Like playing tunes by the Beach Boys in a '63 Corvette convertible, or Highway Star in a '71 Plymouth Cuda Hemi with a 4 speed. But I no longer care about winning trophies: I threw away a dumpster full of them in 1985. If you want trophies (nothing wrong with that!!) then don't fly the blooper. I'm turbo-ing the shit out of my Olson 40! I could not care less what happens to my rating.
  4. I like Dix's boats -- he really designs them to be inexpensive and easy to build, as he builds too.
  5. 25'-30' Sprit Boat For $75k

    If you can possibly use an outboard, you really, really want to use an outboard. Inboards basically suck in so many ways, especially if you are paying the bills. Hanging an outboard over the transom is not a problem, especially if the boat has an open transom or low freeboard. If you want to race PHRF, then you can turbo -- add a big sprit, like on a Mini 6.50. Just a big chute is cheap, as is a pole on a universal at the bow held on with dyneema bobstays, whiskers, and any little line to prevent the gravity storm. Use the existing spinnaker pole. Something like this:
  6. what is it?

    I don't have any first hand information, so this is pure speculation: I think when they converted the boat to a full keel, instead of the original keel centerboard, this added buoyancy due to the increased keel volume, and therefore the waterline is a few inches shorter than the original C40. I had to turn spreaders around like that on a boat with a very noodly upper mast section in order to get adequate headstay tension. It looked odd, but it sure worked well. Sort of like adding running backs, but without the weight and windage and complexity.
  7. NTSB releases transcript of El Faro sinking

    So many things went wrong, after midnight and before dawn. Little problems developed into big problems, where causes overlapped. Humans have a hard time dealing with this type of situation under stress (anxiety over the storm and age of ship; fatigue; lack of effective communication especially as the storm intensity increased and problems started to occur in different areas of the ship). I wonder how many of us have done effective emergency drills with everyone aboard that includes the unavailability (due to being off watch or busy working on problems) of key crew members. I must admit I have never ever done such a realistic emergency drill. Sure, the "throw a ring over and pick it up" or even the loss and recovery of someone actually going overboard. But never in combination of other likely complications, such as loss of propulsion in this case, and certainly never abandoning ship into unsuitable life boats in Cat 3 hurricane conditions. Like the Cheeki Raffiki as well, I wonder how many of us have set off on boats that had unknown fatal flaws. It really sounds like the ship and crew were doomed about a dozen hours before the ship finally went down, and perhaps even a half dozen years before. Wow.
  8. Paul Larson

    We talked about its bunch when we went sailing on Team Concise on the Solent just before Fastnet. He will keep it close to his chest for good reason. I like that he has taken the big step forward to considering the entire system of the vessel as something that exhibits dynamic behavior, rather than the old fashioned approach of considering a boat a constructed thing that gets slowly (by humans) reconfigured in very limited ways.
  9. Nowhere to Hide

    If this meant no more Zarpe or immigration or Coast Guard hassle, no problem. Might make cruising UK easier, as UK actually reduces hassles when technology allows.
  10. Wht havent' multihulls taken the world by storm

    The comfort of the Farrier tris has been slagged a few times in this thread. For a 27, 28, 31, or 33 foot performance boat, the comfort is at least as much as a similar sized J boat, for example. But the performance is fundamentally superior: an F31 is certainly faster than a 40' canter or a TP 52 upwind. Not a lot, but a bit. Once the sheets are cracked off, all go a lot faster, but the F boats definitely go a bit faster still, perhaps 5%. But the cost delta is enormous in favor of the F boats. Smaller multihulls are enormously faster than any reasonably similar monohull. On the America's Cup course off San Diego, a Tornado would have trivially dispatched the enormous winged NZ Mono in the late 80s. I mean stomped it. The 60s sand bagged to ensure they remained in the same weather system. Its as the PAYLOAD gets bigger, the advantage of the multihull disappears. Since cruising is all about payload, we see the performance advantage shift back to monohulls. Sure, pain boxes like MOD 70s beat the living hell out of pain box monohulls of any size. Compare Team Concise to the monos in this last Round the Island (of Wight), and especially the Fastnet that was certainly monohull conditions (light upwind and DDW). But the pain levels offshore in all such boats is simply unbearable for normal humans. The crew simply cannot sleep. As soon as the boat can be slept aboard at sea, the advantage shifts relentlessly with size towards the monohull side, if compared dollar for dollar and not length for length. As soon as the boat is actually comfortable, then length for length the monohull kills the multihull in speed. But the multihull is way, way better at anchor. No comparison.
  11. Wht havent' multihulls taken the world by storm

    Sitting here at the yacht club bar with a drink in my hand ... The reason I go sailing is that there is something about the experience, the connection with the wind, sea, sky, that is unique and compelling, reaching deep into my soul. Most boats do not give me that experience, that connection. Few do. Those few have one, two, or three hulls, are light, heavy, narrow, wide, classic, modern, deep keel, keel centerboard, daggerboard, centerboard, full keel, high aspect, gaff, bermudian, full battened, square top, fractional, schooner, ketch, yawl, sloop, cruisers, racers, wood, glass, carbon, aluminum. Well, except the multihulls. Only the very light, efficiently rigged multihulls give me that experience. F25c and F31 are the only two production boats with cabins I would ever consider buying. Only the old plywood CSK cats are big and fun. For day sailing, there are lots of really, really fun multihulls: MOD 70, Pro 40, Tornado, F18, A class.
  12. FP Anarchy kicked out of race

    Scott, perhaps you should organize an Ensenada Race. Seems that the current one is a fail. The Baja Ha Ha puts together events into Baja with a couple of hundred boats every year. So there are probably lessons learned that can be obtained from Richard Spindler. What would you do differently (besides the obvious)? Inverted start within classes? Cal 20 class? Beach cats? IOR class? Sport boats? Cruisers? Cruising Powerboats?!?!?! Offshore racing powerboats? Jet skis? Kayaks? Sea planes? Sail planes? Naked crews? Adventure racers a la Everglades Challenge and Race To Alaska? Seems the fun part of races to destinations in general, and Ensenada in particular, are pre and post race festivities. Something that used to be prevalent, and now seems to have faded away, is non-racer transportation to and from Ensenada. Each of these are not free, but people seem to have no problem paying for fun. Make Sailing Anarchy Yacht Club an active club!
  13. cool or horrifying?

    Definitely planing! Note that a Moore 24 is flat and fat forward, and has a nicely tapered waterlines aft. Shaped like a surfboard. The recent fashion, that is finally fading, is the wide ass with pointy nose. That is slow. You never see surf boards shaped like that, because we tried delta shapes 50 years ago and they truly suck. Sure, they are light, so they are faster than 12 meter. Mini 6.5 hull number 747 showed the way.