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  1. Vang setup advise

    I can't move the attachment point as it is part of the boom. This vang has a lot of throw. It is set up so that somewhere around the middle of that throw is about the 90 degree point. The sail I have now is leach tight at 90 degrees but other boats in my class have leach tight with the boom just cliping the lifeline. Mine cannot go that low with this vang but it can go way lower than leach tight on my sail. My thought was to allow for a larger sail but that may have been a mistake. And of course, I did not have my new main when I ordered the main so I would have had to allow some tolerance for that anyway. On the other end, the boom end can go up about 2 1/2 feet from the 90 degree setting. If I find I need the boom to go higher, I would need to either modify the vang, or order a new one. I doubt that will be necessary as the thing can almost point at the moon. As far as the issue with the boom hitting the water, I will look into making the retaining mechanism break away so that cannot happen.
  2. Vang setup advise

    @IStream The vang allows about 5 feet of vertical motion at the tip of the boom. It is about half up and half down. This would allow me to someday get a larger mainsail that although unlikely it is what my main competitor has. It would also would allow the boom to go about 2 1/2 feet above vertical which hopefully is enough to avoid the boom break condition @Later brought up. I just did a sketch with the boom all the way out and up 2 1/2 feet. The boom hits the water at a 30 degree heel. Hopefully the water would just push the boom aft instead of breaking it. Had I been aware of this potential problem, I would have asked for a longer vang. Of course, there is also the question of how strong is the vang set screw that prevents it from breaking apart. Hopefully that would break first. This is a Garhauer vang. Should I be concerned? Anyway, back to your point. I don't think I would ever want the spring to push the boom up 2 1/2 feet.
  3. Vang setup advise

    @sailorman44, pretty good question. I had a nice 20:1 vang which was a 5:1 and 4:1 cascaded. I had a boom lift that was at the cockpit that could raise the boom in light winds. So why did I get the rigid vang? More money than brains? Following the trends? Keeping up with the new boats? None of the above, all of the above? It does look nice but the main reason I got it was that last season we really needed to raise the boom in light winds. We did terrible in light winds. Part of it might have been due to the mainsail being too flat and my new main might fix that by itself. But what I found was that it was pretty difficult to adjust the amount that the boom lift raised the sail. You had to pull pretty hard and it was not what I would call a finesse adjustment. As far as the rigid vang taking being an impediment to down force and not a help, that is certainly true. My calculations are that it probably takes out half of the force which is to say that instead of a 20:1 vang, I have effectively a 10:1 vang. I didn't really see an advantage when going from a 5:1 to a 20:1 so I am not thinking that is going to hurt much. But it was certainly something I considered before I bought it. I read and observe that most people with a rigid vang remove their topping lift and use the main halyard when at the slip to hold up the boom. There is then some reduction in windage so should be some probably unmeasurable speed advantage to having a rigid vang. Also, the topping lift can hang up on the sail which is kind of a pain. Bottom line is I hope it makes it easier to adjust the sail shape particurally in light winds. I don't see a disadvantage and it wasn't all that expensive. But I am still not sure how to set it up. I think where it is now is pretty close to what @Will1073 suggested. The comments of @IStream would suggest I add a spacer to give more upward force. From a convenience standpoint, it would be nice to have the boom up about 4 inches which I think means adding 3/8 inch in spacers. But that might give too much upward force for the vang off condition. I am sure I will know a lot more after using it in racing conditions.
  4. Vang setup advise

    I am looking for how the thing should be adjusted. Is full vang off a setting when sailing? If so, how high should be boom be with vang off? If vang off is never a setting, then I can just add a big spacer and always be pulling it down. Rigid vang is pretty new to me.
  5. Vang setup advise

    I just installed a Garhauer rigid vang on my L-36. I gave them all the loads and I think they did a good job of getting the tensions about right but I am wondering what the ideal setup actually is for a rigid vang. I know I can adjust the tension with spacers but am completely clueless about what the goal should be. My sailmaker says vangs hold booms up and pull them down. Garhauer said I can raise it if I want but maybe just go sailing and see. I am looking for perhaps a better goal than that. Right now, the boom is 6 feet off the cockpit sole with the sail up and the leach straight (90 degree boom). The vang will hold it up about 2 inches above that. With the sail down, the boom is about 2 inches below that. When I put the boat away, I want the boom higher so I can either leave the boom lift on the boom, or remove it and use the main halyard as a boom lift when at the dock. The vang itself is not strong enough to dispense with some kind of boom lift when docked. I also wanted to have the vang give a little more sail shape in really light air. The way it is now will certainly allow for more sail shape if for no other reason it has removed the weight of the boom from the sail as it is at a minimum self supporting. Just looking for some guidance. Googled for a couple of hours and found nothing. I guess it isn't critical but does anyone care to share some advice? My best guess is that it is about right but just wondering if that is correct.
  6. A big project!

    Every dollar put into a wood boat is a dollar less that you will ever have. There are two reasons to put money into a wood boat. 1) You are crazy. 2) You are in love. It is of tremendous help to be both. Allen L-36 #5 L-36.com
  7. Our racers don't drink enough

    @Bass You are correct about the model. Food has a target margin and we were not making it. The bar tab is down for all the reasons you state but there the margins are OK. We don't want to raise entry prices as there is more money to be made in food and we don't want to cut the number of boats so everything is tempered by that. We have agreed to increase the quality of the food and offer steak for $5 add on fee. The base price of the food is up $2 although if you buy a 10 meal ticket (a new addition), it is only $1 more. So better food, higher price. We are going to cut the cost of the weekly prizes and increased what we are going to spend on series and season prizes for a net savings. We are also are "encouraging" the racers to come to the club to eat and drink and to bring their families if they can. Only a couple of racers drink and eat on their boats but it is good to let people know it is important. Hopefully this will work.
  8. A big project!

    Yeah, I think the deal was the ratio of what they can sell it for and the time. A new boat sells for a lot more. I don't recall him saying it would be cheaper and faster but I do recall him saying that they can charge a lot more for a new boat. But I am not going to listen to the thing again to see if I remembered correctly :-) That said, it is a huge project. Hopefully he can reuse a lot of the superstructure.
  9. Our racers don't drink enough

    Just to focus, the club does monthly dinners, Sunday breakfast, Friday Potlucks, has lots of members, etc etc. The RC is focused on racing and making that activity profitable again. There have been lots of good ideas presented here and as well as other places and I certainly appreciate the input. It seems like the consensus is that charging more for the food is not out of line with other clubs. I have presented some of the other ideas to the RC for consideration. One is that I think we need to strongly encourage racers to come to the club after the race, most do, but we should let the few that don't know it is important for the health of the racing activity that they join us and not drink beer on the boat. The question of drink prices will be raised but it not a race committee decision, it is a club wide decision. Thanks again for the input.
  10. Our racers don't drink enough

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  11. Our racers don't drink enough

    Yeah. That is what is freaking me out. If I take the money I spend on the boat divided by how many times I use the boat per year I get a pretty healthy number, one that would freak out my wife. If the racing goes away, that number would even scare me. Whatever they charge is mouse nuts to me but that is not the case for the guys who go out with 20 year old sails and never get on the podium. And we just can't afford to have fewer racers.
  12. Our racers don't drink enough

    Thanks all for the input. Racing is a benefit of membership and many of the racers who are members don't do much else with the club. Membership is $300 per year so I don't think that the food is subsidizing the racing. They are trying to make both food and drinks make their standard profit margins which to cover the club overhead. We have a clubhouse to maintain for example. I was just trying to see what others think is reasonable. Good input, thanks again. @LionessRacing Great resource. I have to find out why the hell we are not listed.
  13. Our racers don't drink enough

    The point is the club needs to make money off the food to cover the cost of putting on the race, but the trophies, gas for the CB, contribute to the club general fund, etc. The club has traditionally made a fair amount of the annual budget off beer can racing but that came mainly from the bar.
  14. Our racers don't drink enough

    The crowd is pretty much racers, crew, and the volunteers who make it all possible. I occasionally see family of the volunteers but not often. I was kind of wondering what other clubs charged for the races and meals.
  15. Our racers don't drink enough

    Our club has a 17 race series with about 12 boats entered in each race. Boats are 20 to 41 feet with crew size increasing accordingly. The club has no paid staff and costs are low. The club has traditionally made money on the bar but apparently the bar take is a lot lower than it was 5 years ago and we are losing money. The cook your own burger, salad and sides meal has been $7 and beer is $3. The race series is free to members and $100 to non members. The treasurer wants to raise dinner to $11 and I am freaking out that this will be too much of a shock and that the frog will jump out of the boiling water and we will lose even more money. What do other clubs charge for various aspects of their beer can racing programs? Any advice would be appreciated. We have discussed raising prices for individual meals and offering meal tickets for race series that are cheaper per meal. I am freaking out because these races are an important part of my life. I don't want them to end.