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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. double trouble

    Pretty awesome looking little dudes, aren't they? What are they?
  2. how lame was it?

    I am notorious for letting shit fall through the cracks, and this is a perfect example. Here are the questions: What is it and what year was it? I deserve a beating. - ed.
  3. what is it?

    We can tell you one thing, it appears to only have one sail.... Bring it.
  4. let me explain...

    I am really looking forward to the Golden Globe around-the-world yacht race that starts on July 1 this year. It’s a brilliant idea, I only wish that I had thought of it, and judging by the number of entries it seems as if many others also saw it as a great idea. Thirty eight people signed up to do the race, but from the race website it looks like that number has been whittled down to 22, still a healthy fleet. The Golden Globe race celebrates the 50th anniversary of the very first single-handed, non-stop around-the-world yacht race which was named the Sunday Times Golden Globe Race after the British newspaper that (presumably) put up some money to name the event. Nine sailors started that race, but only one finished. Robin Knox-Johnson lapped the planet in his 32-foot double-ender Suhaili in a stately 312 days. The premise of the upcoming race is to sail around the world just as if you were doing it 50 years ago. In other words navigating by sextant, eating canned food, no auto pilot, no electronics and most definitely no iPad loaded with movies (porn) and books. Books are allowed, the old print and paper kind only. So here is my question. Do you think that the voyage was more of a challenge 50 years ago than it’s going to be for the sailors competing in the upcoming race? While the boats for the new race are certainly better engineered and probably better designed and built, there is still a size limit of 36 feet and the boat has to be full keel with rudder attached to the aft end of the keel. There are also certain things that can’t be replicated like the out-of-date foul weather gear they wore back then as well as clothing. No one is making the sailors wear scratchy wool sweaters and leaky boots and so one would think that the race 50 years ago was much harder. Well here is what I think. I think that the upcoming race is going to be much harder than the one five decades ago and there is a simple reason for my thinking. These modern day sailors know better and that’s going to make it a more difficult challenge. Let me explain. I once saw a Facebook post where someone posed the question; “would you live in a house in the woods for a week without any electronic devices in return for $2,000?” 99% of those who answered said that they would not, that they could not. Unplugging for a measly seven days was unthinkable. (By the way I was one of the one percent who would most definitely take the money.) Fifty years ago you had no idea that in the future you would be able to plot your position on a chart with pin-point accuracy without having to do a thing. Just switch the GPS on. This is information that these sailors will know while they hang on trying to bring the sun down to the horizon with their sextant. They will have this information in the back of their minds as they drag out the sight reduction tables to get one of three LOP’s (Lines Of Position) on the chart that intersect to form a cocked hat in the middle of which is your position. They will also have this information as they go days without seeing the sun and have to dead reckon their speed and course, taking into account currents and other vagaries, to come up with a rough idea of where they are. Think about weather. There will be no information other than to look out the hatch to see what’s out there. Their barometer will be the most useful instrument on board as a rising glass predicts lighter winds and a dropping glass could spell trouble. While the sailors are staring at their barometers they will know that with just a click of a button they could get the very best weather information along with routing information, but that’s not allowed. You see I know better. I am fairly sure that I could unplug for a week especially if there was a $2,000 cash incentive but could I go for almost a full year without streaming a movie or downloading a book? I am not sure, in fact I don't think so. We are all so used to living in a modern world that being deprived of some of its conveniences would drive the average person crazy. Robin Knox-Johnston wrote a terrific book about his circumnavigation called A World Of My Own and in it he recounts what kept him motivated when things got challenging. He was sailing for “Queen and Country.” What an awesome idea and when things got tough he just toughed it out knowing that was what would be expected of him. Do you for a moment think any of the competitors competing in the upcoming race are going to be sailing for the pride of their country? There are three American’s in the race. Can you imagine them, when things get difficult and you know for sure that it’s going to get difficult, that they would just suck it up and say to themselves that they were doing it for Donald Trump and the good old US of A? Not sure about that. You see RKJ didn’t know about any of the modern conveniences of the future and was content and satisfied with what he had. It’s going to be a mind game for those competing in the next race to adopt a sixties mentality and push out of their mind the fact that a Red Bull could be quite useful at times. - Brian Hancock
  5. it is hardly one toxic relationship to another. married for 15 years, then with eva for 4 years, then a few crazy ass women for maybe a couple years as i went on a dating spree, and now this, the greatest one, for almost two years. but without a doubt the issues this time are solely my own. i am working on them, have a great therapist and on a good path. it helps to have a fabulous woman who is with me all the way. i do appreciate the thoughts, tbone!
  6. what is it?

    Well, if it's of any help, it appears to have it's legs crossed...
  7. prism

    SA Exclusive Pimp! Velocitek Releases Laser Legal Compass! The International Laser Class Association changed class rule 22 to allow the use of electronic digital compasses which are not GPS enabled. To celebrate this news Velocitek is excited to announce the release of the PRISM, a stripped down racing compass. The Prism provides unprecedented accuracy, coupled with a massive display, in a compact package. At a mere 137 g (4.8 oz) it is the world's lightest racing compass. The Prism was developed with input from members of the US Olympic Team and has already been used to win the Etchells World Championship. "The Prism is an indispensable tool on our Etchells. From the helm, the digits are large and easy to read. The compass heading is accurate and precise, which allows us to capitalize on each and every shift." Steve Benjamin - Olympic Silver Medalist, Multiple World Champion, US Rolex Yachtsman of the Year "The Prism's digits are large enough for everyone on the Etchells team to read easily and it’s so light that it was also an obvious choice for the 470. The Prism is easy to read, at a glance, from the wire on the 470 and that is a huge competitive advantage at the international level where every detail counts." Dave Hughes - Olympian (US Mens 470 Crew), Multiple World Champion, US Sailing Team Member How It Works The Prism uses a high precision 3-axis solid state magnetometer designed for aerospace applications to provide better accuracy than any other small boat compass on the market. The Prism uses only magnetic input as its heading reference, has no memory, no user inputs, and performs no arithmetic functions. It's legal in all classes that allow electronic compasses. Full Features The Prism's 29.8mm (1.1 in.) tall compass digits can be read from over 40 feet away. The Prism is solar powered with a backup battery. The backup battery will power the Prism for over 24 hours of sailing without solar power. The Prism uses NO GPS TECHNOLOGY and complies with the rules of any class that allows electronic compasses. The Prism is now available for pre-order at major marine outfitters and online right here. at It will begin shipping to customers on April 16. Whaddaya think? Photo credit: Leslie Richter / Rockskipper Photography.
  8. what's it for?

    Yes, our last what is it was far (east) too easy, and this one is too but it looks cool.
  9. stormy petrel

    Reader Rant As a result of all severe storms or hurricanes, such as the recent devastating Hurricane Irma, how many petrochemical based non-essential luxury sail boats are now littered about in our oceans? Who is responsible for the destruction of our environment which has been now littered with thousands of chunks of petroleum based carbon, plastics and glass? Is it environmentally ok for us as "yacht" owners to lose our boat (basically a hunk of glass and petroleum) to the bottom of an ocean due to a storm? Are we modern day yachtsman exonerated by being subject to an act of god such as a storm? Or, perhaps, is there equally an environmental responsibility for us yachtsmen who knowingly put that chunk of petrochemical in the ocean to use for pleasure boating? Every given year there is a reasonable probability of a severe boat breaking storm of fury from mother nature. Does this anticipated potential outcome of losing our boat to the ocean not make us yachtsman potentially equal to "big oil" in being labeled as environmental terrorists if that is how we chose to throw the label around? After all this is a luxury sport and we as owners of sailboats and yachts are responsible for buying that petroleum based luxury product and putting it at risk to become another chunk of waste in our oceans and the environment. How many yachtsmen deliberately scuttle old, and unwanted fiberglass boats into the ocean rather than properly reclaim and recycle them? Is this not equally environmental terrorism by the yachting consumer of petroleum products? Do you know that most sail boats, including the full spectrum of dinghies to luxury yachts, are made of petroleum based chemicals (which come from offshore drilling, drilling in environmentally sensitive areas etc.) such as the following: "Styrene monomer is one of the key aromatic hydrocarbons derived from benzene and ethylene and used in the production of polymers such as polystyrene, acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene, styrene butadiene latex and styrene-butadiene-rubber. It is also used to make unsaturated polyester resins. It is a colourless, oil, toxic and flammable compound produced in industrial quantities from petroleum." I'm all for a clean healthy environment. It's currently trendy to hate the petroleum industry and everyone is quick to heap on criticism of the producers of petroleum products without understanding their own direct and indirect consumer participation in supporting the industry. Respectfully, this is flawed logic and hypocritical behavior. None of us want the petroleum industry in our own back yard but we all want to use petroleum products for our fancy luxury hi-tech toys at the best and cheapest cost possible. Restricting offshore and onshore access to drilling might be a solution society has to live with for us all to have a more sustainable, cleaner environment but please understand if we are to be fair perhaps we equally need to be open to a ban on placing our petrochemical based yachts that we all love into the ocean due to the reasonable risk of loss of the craft to the ocean and the resulting environmental damage. Similarly, we need to acknowledge that our luxury yacht toys should likely cost a lot more due to higher petroleum supply costs once we restrict petroleum supply itself by restricting drilling access, pipeline development and general ability for the petroleum industry to operate. Perhaps consumers of luxury sailing yachts should be taxed and environmental reclamation tax to be fair if we choose to put that petrochemical boat at risk to being lost to the sea? Coincidentally, as I write this note I can't help but notice that more than one of the advertisers on this website is advertising a petroleum based product for use in sailboat construction, repair parts or clothing. I'm not pointing this out to simply be rude or cheeky but only to create self-awareness that our use of and addiction to these products as consumers is literally everywhere. We all share responsibility for our consumer choices. Environmental ethics of production and consumption of petroleum products cannot be severed from each other - the environmental responsibility is shared by both consumer and producer. My point is that if we are all going to have an honest conversation about the future of petroleum products in our environment, then we need to take an honest look at, and have an honest conversation about, our own personal consumption habits and uses of petroleum based products. Are we prepared to stop using petroleum products in fabrication of our boats (as well as pretty much everything else on the boat these days - from our hand-held radio, GPS to our hi-tech personal sailing clothing)? Are we prepared to pay three, four or ten times more for all the products we use which are made from petroleum as a base by limiting access to the petroleum supply chain (which is sure to occur if we significantly restrict drilling access - on shore and offshore)? As well, not everyone in the petroleum industry is employed by "Big Oil". There are literally hundreds of thousands of small businesses operating directly in, or ancillary to, the petroleum industry. Most of the people working in the business are genuinely decent, hardworking, environmentally conscious people - they are not environmental terrorists - they share the same goals and objectives as you do - clean healthy air and water while having access to a good lifestyle; access to air travel, trains, busses, ship transportation as well as a job to support their families. Are we prepared to forego those jobs and abandon all the products these petroleum companies sell and distribute, such as resins, polystyrenes, rubber and epoxies? We can expand our honest look at our use and addiction to petroleum products to pretty much every aspect of our everyday life, not to mention the luxury pastime of the sport of sailing. Are we prepared to go back solely to wooden boats and canvas sails, and leather? If not then how much of a premium are we all prepared to pay to have all our petroleum based sailing products sourced from a limited, restricted producing field of petroleum feedstock? This would be a great conversation for all of us to undertake as we do take a genuine, honest look in the mirror while considering our own personal consumption habits and corresponding indirect support for offshore drilling, any environmentally sensitive drilling areas etc., etc. which is pretty much everywhere in which drilling occurs if you ask the locally affected parties involved. Don't be fooled by my comments above. My thoughts are more in line with your published thoughts on this issue than you might expect from reading my note (and my other note of last week). I'm just not sensing that we (collectively as critics) have a sense of self awareness in our complicity of the industry when we become aggressive critics of it; without this self-awareness of our own contribution our credibility to debate these matters comes into question. I would love to see some content on your website that explores a conversation on all aspects of this tricky issue and our shared sport of passion - production and consumption of petroleum products in our sport of sailing and its impact on the future of our oceans and the environment. I truly mean for this note to be constructive and provoke thought and debate on what is surely to become one of the most important topics facing this and the next generation. I have no doubt that if you open this discussion in a broader format that we will all learn something. In turn perhaps, that might help us move forward in a meaningful way to find practice doable solutions that we can all live with, that result in a better more sustainable environment for all. Thanks for your open mind to careful thought on this topic of discussion. Respectfully, Anarchist Robert
  10. what is it?

    It is a bitchin' matte blue, that we can tell you. Anyone?
  11. bromingo

    I heard it was a toss up between him and leweck. after all, isn't leweck already on the us sailing payroll? hell, maybe they should have both - a douchey hipster millennial tell us why he's hip; or an untalented cut and paste lackey try to tell us why he matters....
  12. bromingo

    We get some hilarious shit via e-mail and this is the best of the week... You down with Bro P P? Dude, I mean bro! It is a totally brodacious day, and my testosterbrone is raging! When I sent in my broposal to US Sailing, I figured these brotards would not be down with the brogram, but bro, they turned out to be bromeigos! And their check isn't bad either, bro. And I only live 20 miles away, as the bro flies! Some think I'm not brophisticated enough for you sailor types, that I know nothing about the brocean, but bro, I'm like Brohammed Ali of the sailing. I'm so rad, I might change my name to Josh Brolin! And yeah, I always wear dopey shit like this on my head; I'm not ready for brogain yet! Or even brotox! Okay bro, we'll see you at the US Sailing Leadership Forum, or as I like to call it, Game of Brones! Got anything to this?? - ed
  13. why am i here?

    wow is that beautiful!
  14. why am i here?

    Usually the photos that get featured from big regattas show boats totally kicking ass, with sailors uber focused on the task at hand. But there is always the other side of the coin, the blown races, the regattas lost, the agony of defeat. Now we don't pretend to know what is going through this young sailors mind in this photo taken at the ongoing 29er Worlds in Hong Kong, but we get the "what in the hell am I doing here?" vibe. Ever been in a race - any race - and find yourself asking the same question, "what in the hell am I doing here?" Drop in here and share those moments when you wish you were anywhere but there!