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  1. jeff

    Hobart Scene

    No for me. Too old, and gone soft. Haven't had a swim in the Derwent for 20 years and not about to start again now. Also SB's don't have a fridge, but if you start sailing on a SB maybe you can find a spot for me.
  2. jeff

    Hobart Scene

    Me too. Don't have time for a full weekend of racing and we'd hoped there would be more PM races and sometimes a short race followed by a lap around the cans. Would make the trip for the start boat a bit more worthwhile and give a bit of variety and an extra scoreable race. Instead the CC series got an extra long race, no short races and if you count an island a mark, we've had 7 roundings and 1 gybe over the first three races. No one is saying we have to have W/L but we do need more PM races and a lot more corners. We want to race, not cruise in company. We're pretty well done with the CC pennant, so roll on L2H, then Kettering YC's Channel Challenge ( a must do) and then Crown for some real racing.
  3. jeff

    8 Bells Peter Campbell

    Can't think of enough words that describe my respect for Peter Campbell. Hobart presence in sailing soared when PC came here. A genuine and sincere gentleman who will be missed. Vale Peter Campbell
  4. jeff

    Australian Sailing

    ... now that's something I'd like to see. Not sure some of the DSS people would be very happy to see that, but you could still hangout with DSS members who now drink at the RYCT and the Dr Syntax pub thesedays. Think of it as a home away from home It's actually quite sad that someone @ DSS couldn't stump up a ride. Plenty of SB's in the car park and GRS has done plenty for the club and the resident Naval architect. Maybe its time to buy one yourself. You could the legitimately bag AS as an owner then.
  5. jeff

    Hobart Scene

    I believe they are talking to Kettering YC. At least that what one of the DSS members told me.
  6. jeff

    Australian Sailing

    I didn't plan to drag this thread into an AMS vs IRC debate. I was merely pointing out that owners associations have a role in driving what owners want and the AMS example was to illustrate that when the owners are driving the bus they get a better result. We need to do more of this than this rather than bitch. I'm sure any sailing committee would highly regard a direction gained by consensus of owners rather than second guess. As I said before both rules co-exist very well in Hobart. It is, and has to be the owners choice so let them decide what the value proposition is. It was handy and cost effective to have a pile of boats with measurement data derived from AMS certs when they wanted to jump into the IRC Nats. Gotta be a good thing and up until last year running group weigh ins and sail measurement days for boat irrespective of which rule they want to race under saved a heap of cost. Nowdays we have 'IRC only' weigh ins. Doesn't make sense to me. To be honest in club racing if boats spent their money on employing a coach or at least train they'd get better bang for their buck than worrying about what the rating is. Well sailed boats usually win - in any rule. I did a quick analysis of our summer pennant (harbour races), L2H and Crown series (windward Leeward) and Crown Series (Performance Cruising Harbour races) comparing boats with both IRC and AMS certs, and the same boats are on the podium and by similar differences in points. Jeff
  7. jeff

    Australian Sailing

    We had an owners association after RATS in Hobart up until 2008. It was well attended with just about all of the 20 or so owners going to the RYCT a couple of times per year. In those days AS had the offshore keelboat policy committee, chaired by David Kellett. Each state sent a delegate to discuss ratings, venues for Nationals and it was terrific to have naval architects like Don Jones, Andy Dovell and Malcolm Runnalls advise on technical issues. We could get our issues on the agenda and the governing body got a good idea about what was happening in each state. The upshot was information was exchanged and distributed effectively through these meetings. They were happy days. We'd been telling AS that the issue with low participation and stagnant growth was essentially cost. Owners didn't want to spend the money to be in a fleet of 6 or 7, especially as the same 3 boats dominated the results, but they did want a rating system. We started work on trialling ORC club and through the association, all of the owners had committed to give it a try and those with IRC committed to keep going. Trouble was the cost of ORCc went from $70 to $300 overnight so the owners decided to dump it. It was decided to give AMS a go. The response was immediate. 30 new boats in the first year and the IRC fleet might have gained a boat of two. We had weigh in days and sail measurement days which helped contain costs. Recently it has emerged that some trying to kill AMS but I don't understand why, given that it gets people into a rating system, and at the end of the day owners have a choice. It's their boat after all and better than only having PHS. The results generally put the same boats on the podium. Both coexist and support each other quite happily. It's never easy trying to please everyone and you have to be respectful that there are plenty of volunteers that give a lot of time to make things better. The communication and interaction between the owners and the clubs would be better if we had a forum to discuss what form of racing we would like, rather than the randomness of chewing a sailing committee members ear. In the good old days recommendations it was done by owner consensus. One vote per boat which thinned out a few from having an influence when they've never had any skin in the game. Maybe its time to revisit this.
  8. jeff

    Australian Sailing

    Getting back to regattas.... and giving owners what they want have a look at the entry list for Bellerive Yacht Clubs Crown series entries. Currently ... Div 1 ( 7 Windward Leeward/ Olympic style courses) around 10 or so entries. Performance Cruising (around the cans) around 30 entries. The interesting thing is entries includes Melges 32, Farr 40, and 30 foot new-build canting keel. Seems to me that all clubs need to get the owners in the room and understand what the owners need to invest their time and money. For me I like shorter courses and plenty of work for the crews. I'm time poor and want to go out, race hard and get back to my family. Others like long courses and not as much work which is terrific if you're short of crew or enjoy spending most of the day out. Both have a role. The sport is changing and our grass roots owners will ultimately decide if the next gen sail, try go Go-Karting, or spend their money upgrading the PlayStation. Whats killing our sport is the lack of new crew. Owners are sick of sailing short. How do we fix this? Jeff
  9. jeff

    Australian Sailing

    Maybe... I think Snoopy would be honored to be called a "peasant" though.
  10. jeff

    Australian Sailing

    "No one cares about the IRC championships except the big money elite and they don't care if the peasants in Tassie don't enter their Mumm 36's and whatever else races down that way" Looks like the locals have had a last minute charge. 32 boats now. A nice sized fleet with a few more to come maybe. Not sure if you have to be a "peasant" to own a mumm36. I've been called worse and it may be true of me, but the others are pretty decent guys...... Jeff
  11. jeff

    Australian Sailing

    I was wondering that too. Does ORCclub need a hull offset file for the VPP? ORCinternational needs it to calculate stability but I would assume if you have one it would be handy for a VPP. If it doesn't it has about the same inputs as IRC or AMS. At the end of the day the hull is described by LOA, waterline length, beam and draft and maybe a guess on hull form based on vintage. Its hardly an exact science. Maybe, to improve performance we'd get better bang for our buck if we spend our $$'s on a sailing coach. Had a look at kiwi PHRF. Looks to me that they use IRC as the foundation but can manually tweak the rating a bit, based on past performance. Is that how it works? Jeff
  12. jeff

    Australian Sailing

    Reckon ORC club will be the offering. I see its available on the AS website $90.
  13. jeff

    Australian Sailing

    Sure is. AMS state titles are part of the Bellerive Yacht Clubs Crown Series, which is held in Feb. BYC run classes for IRC and PHS as well, so whatever rule you prefer you can be scored. Usually get about 60 keelboats, but the fleet swells to about 180 if you count dragons SB20 and the dinghies. One of the most disappointing things about the Hobart scene is that some think that to have IRC you can't have AMS. I believe IRC and AMS complement each other and there are many boats now rated in IRC who have used the AMS measurement data for their IRC certificates and it's saved them a heap of money. This is good for everyone and no one cares if you choose to enter in only one, but for $65 why wouldn't you get an AMS cert anyway? That's why I measure both - it's the same data. The decision on which rule to race under is entirely up to the owners. All I do is give them the data so they can make the choice. Both systems track quite well against each other in the results and AMS has been great in getting boats into a rating rule. The same top group of boats get on the podium in both rules so its good to share the chocolates around. The AMS people have been terrific to deal with. They even provide the calibrated loadcell gratis for the weigh days which is another saving Hobart sailors have enjoyed. Regattas need quantity (not quality) of entrants to get to a critical mass. Then clubs can go to sponsors and have something to sell and have enough revenue to support the shore activities. I think it was a big mistake to not even offer PHS in the Nats and seriously you could offer AMS as another division with IRC being the main game and the highlight. Gotta back yourself and your rule at some point. Jeff
  14. jeff

    Hobart Scene

    Hi All, YT is Yachting Tasmania and it represents all Tasmanian affiliated yacht clubs to Yachting Australia (YA). The board is elected by members at the AGM which was held around last June. Most board members chair subcommittees such as training, rules, development etc. My role is the chairman of the offshore committee and one role is to distribute discussion papers for comment and send back feedback. You may have seen on my mailing list the stanchion paper from YA and request for comment regarding the survey instigated by Matt Allen. I'm a member of the offshore keelboat policy committee which meets annually and this is one formal way to have your issues raised at the National Level. The YA structure was reviewed last year by Malcolm Speed and Garry Langford and there were some recommendations to change it significantly including how Tas feeds into YA. Like it or not that's how the structure is but it's sad to see that few understand the work we do. Your clubs use YT as part of a process to gain access to YA. Now back to Maria Island... As far as I recall it's a Cat 3 race with raft. Blue book places no need for SSSC. The same with L2H. I have had discussions with YA about how races are categorized and many think both are Cat 2. It's not YT or my role to tell clubs how to run their races but in all cases they need to provide appropriate infrastructure to support safety. In my opinion I'd be quite happy to go anywhere with my crew, some of which do not have SSSC. They've done the miles, we know our boat. SSSC is a handy thing to have but it needs to be complemented with experience. Its nuts to think Wings had to drop off experienced crew and sail short-handed to comply. Some common sense needs to apply. If RYCT think that there is an elevated risk that requires Cat 1 compliance for SSSC maybe they should rethink how they categorise this race. I've seen sport boats and trailer sailors compete without this being an issue, but for my part I have serious doubts about them being fit for purpose. Imagine a couple of tons of water being dumped on the deck of a Meagles or Thompson at Tasman in the middle of the night. Are the rigs and decks good enough to stand up after launching of a 4m wave? Would they flood and sink? I reckon the coroner would be asking why are sports boats being encouraged to race in a place called Strom Bay. SSSC won't save them. There is a much wider issue here. Proper vetting of experience and suitability is far more important. Boats retiring through seasickness would be a worry. SSSC won't cure this either. The timing and delivering of SSSC courses is an interesting one. I taught with Alistair Douglas at RYCT for 10 years. Suddenly the work dried up and RYCT imported mainland instructors, and as a consequence the locals copped a price hike. I dunno why this happened as I've always been available but I concede some stuff ups with YA didn't help, but could and have been resolved. The DSS will be running SSSC courses next year and hopefully RYCT will co operate with scheduling of classes rather than throwing in a last minute course like they did last Nov, which competed with inshore race days and the course that DSS had already planned. I'd like to see crew participate in SSSC and the clubs can value add by actively promoting safety. Random audits and rolling in some practical things like flare nights would be easy to do. Just ring MAST and ask for Hoppy! Theres a lot of safety training that could be done cheaply. Jeff
  15. jeff

    Hobart Scene

    Hi All, YT is Yachting Tasmania and it represents all Tasmanian affiliated yacht clubs to Yachting Australia (YA). The board is elected by members at the AGM which was held around last June. Most board members chair subcommittees such as training, rules, development etc. My role is the chairman of the offshore committee and one role is to distribute discussion papers for comment and send back feedback. You may have seen on my mailing list the stanchion paper from YA and request for comment regarding the survey instigated by Matt Allen. I'm a member of the offshore keelboat policy committee which meets annually and this is one formal way to have your issues raised at the National Level. The YA structure was reviewed last year by Malcolm Speed and Garry Langford and there were some recommendations to change it significantly including how Tas feeds into YA. Like it or not that's how the structure is but it's sad to see that few understand the work we do. Your clubs use YT as part of a process to gain access to YA. Now back to Maria Island... As far as I recall it's a Cat 3 race with raft. Blue book places no need for SSSC. The same with L2H. I have had discussions with YA about how races are categorized and many think both are Cat 2. It's not YT or my role to tell clubs how to run their races but in all cases they need to provide appropriate infrastructure to support safety. In my opinion I'd be quite happy to go anywhere with my crew, some of which do not have SSSC. They've done the miles, we know our boat. SSSC is a handy thing to have but it needs to be complemented with experience. Its nuts to think Wings had to drop off experienced crew and sail short-handed to comply. Some common sense needs to apply. If RYCT think that there is an elevated risk that requires Cat 1 compliance for SSSC maybe they should rethink how they categorise this race. I've seen sport boats and trailer sailors compete without this being an issue, but for my part I have serious doubts about them being fit for purpose. Imagine a couple of tons of water being dumped on the deck of a Meagles or Thompson at Tasman in the middle of the night. Are the rigs and decks good enough to stand up after launching of a 4m wave? Would they flood and sink? I reckon the coroner would be asking why are sports boats being encouraged to race in a place called Strom Bay. SSSC won't save them. There is a much wider issue here. Proper vetting of experience and suitability is far more important. Boats retiring through seasickness would be a worry. SSSC won't cure this either. The timing and delivering of SSSC courses is an interesting one. I taught with Alistair Douglas at RYCT for 10 years. Suddenly the work dried up and RYCT imported mainland instructors, and as a consequence the locals copped a price hike. I dunno why this happened as I've always been available but I concede some stuff ups with YA didn't help, but could and have been resolved. The DSS will be running SSSC courses next year and hopefully RYCT will co operate with scheduling of classes rather than throwing in a last minute course like they did last Nov, which competed with inshore race days and the course that DSS had already planned. I'd like to see crew participate in SSSC and the clubs can value add by actively promoting safety. Random audits and rolling in some practical things like flare nights would be easy to do. Just ring MAST and ask for Hoppy! Theres a lot of safety training that could be done cheaply. Jeff