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  1. ASA stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    Check out the latest news update from WASZP 60-70 boats for the European Championship great numbers for such a young class.
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    Olympic classes support in the USA Have a look at this article from an Australian News service. Probably speaks volumes of what people think but too afraid to say. Need the industry to drive the sport. Not paper pushers at World Sailing.
  3. ASA stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    Bladders are in a dedicated pocket. WASZP's have 3 types, internal, external and cruiser.
  4. ASA stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    Latest news out of the WASZP camp! Looks like plenty of boats being built and excitment still building.
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    SuperFoiler Grand Prix 2018

    I think they took a punt with live streaming the events and it probably isnt the best way to go about it. I know it generated a bit of interest in the sailing community, but there is so much down time. If we were watching the post produced version straight up I think we would look at it differently. The post produced version actually looks good, we have just been tainted a bit by the slow live stream and big blow outs early in the series. Its like watching the daily videos or post produced heats from the WSL. They are exciting and all you see is the action. Try watching the live feed on fox or on the website, there is a lot of sitting in the water doing nothing. Its the same as the fox post produced version of the NFL where the add breaks are taken out and the just roll into the plays. Its much better to watch a game of NFL over an hour and a half then 3-4 hours. I think next year they may use the live stream differently. I hope they get through this period to next year and refine the boats to make them more race ready. I think they are good upwind, down-wind they are lacking a 3rd sail, to allow 3 point foiling all the time and some extra excitment to make downwind more entertaining.
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    Agree with most of that. Reed is a good sailor. But there is a lot of very good elite level sailors working the set-up out on the WASZP. One of the kiwis did 27.8 knots at the recent nationals on the WASZP and we were hitting over 25 consistently on the first day of the Aussie nationals, so the guys and girls are getting it dialled. I really think its a case of what do you prefer and personal choice. Some people will choose the WASZP for the reasons previously stated and some will choose a UFO for reasons previously stated. However both classes have a significant head start in the market and as the fleets expand it just creates a flow on effect. Its why traditional classes survive in bi numbers still. History, Fleet size, culture. Creating a new class would not be easy to tick all of those boxes. WASZP is currently doing a good job and the UFO is working hard on it.
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    Not gonna argue with you this is what you said 'I would make a pretty big bet that the UFO will outsell the Waszp going forward (if it isn't already)' The if it isn't already factor is what I have been referring to. UFO is a nice stable platform to sail around on. But has minimal performance, a WASZP smokes it in a straight line. You will find it hard to get a racing circuit up with the UFO so its going to be a more recreational boat. However the WASZP with its cruiser tramps (massive inflation basically making it a trimaran) enables a stable platform to learn on. A smaller rig for smaller people and youth, then the full racing set-up for high performance one design racing. Problem is if you don't have a good solid culture associated with racing (think hobie and other successful production classes) you will find it hard to sell into this market as a pure recreational boat. I hope all classes go well, people having a crack at something should be commended as it is a hard slog creating a new class. Just dealing in facts though..
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    I'll let you do the maths then. The UFO has about 100 boats sold (not all built) The WASZP has around 600 in the market, both were put in production mid-late 2016......
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    You are kidding yourself if you think the UFO is already outselling the WASZP. there have been around 600 WASZPs sold worldwide +120 in the USA already. That is considerably more than the UFO. The WASZP is now developing a solid racing program with numbers increasing. It will be interesting to see what the UK get to their nationals and the USA get to the ACC event. But with 36 boats at the Aus nationals and 25 at the NZ nationals recently numbers are starting to increase. It is not out of the question that there will be 70-80 boats sailing at the Europeans at the end of June and organisers of the WASZP Games in Perth are expecting numbers in excess of 120 based on early indications from Aus and other countries. That to me is a huge jump on the competition and obviously its not just in numbers but also racing and culture.
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    best new foiler for beginner?

    WASZP has over 120 boats in the USA already. Factory support and the ability to set the boat up in a beginner mode and then using the same platform go right through to high level racing mode and anything in between.
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    racing a waszp as a moth

    Great point punchy, the procrastination that happens in Moths to teach you how the boat work is crucial. This is now being adopted in the WASZP, there is a good culture in Australia now where the top guys are educating the less experienced guys and girls on set-up and how important preventative maintanance is. We had no breakages at the Australian WASZP Championships due to this education process. If there have been breakages elsewhere around the world on these boats I would say you can put a lot down to people not understanding set-up and preventative maintanance. In concept it is the laser of foiling... but it is not a laser, it has lots of moving parts ect that need to be monitored and set-up properly. You get factory support in WASZP at most events and if you properly prepare yourself with a spares kit you wont need to wait for the factory to send out a part. Again its up to the indivduals. Moths are awesome have an extremely high level top end and for people who want to tinker fine. The WASZP is a simpler design, everyone is on the same kit has really good top end with a lot of really good guys learning their foiling craft in these boats and it will only improve. I can see people progressing through the WASZP to top end moths and probably see some people cross back out of the mid-fleet of Moths back to WASZPs even just because its so easy to get hold of a boat for an event or a season without the cost. Plus I can see some good club racing develop in the WASZP around the country, in particular Victoria (Australia) where there are over 30 boats alone in the state racing a lot. At the end of the day everyone loves beers and thats the main thing.
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    racing a waszp as a moth

    The boats can't be compared really. If you want to race a lot of good sailors many of whom are in the AST or have just exited the program. Plus a lot of fun young guys and girls who like going fast. (It's not like the waszp is slow we had 26 knots recorded at the sorrento nats) But do it all on the same gear and spend 20mins rigging your boat at an event which means more time for a few beverages and hanging out with mates then the WASZP is the go. There were 35 at nationals and around 70 active boats in Australia which is growing at very fast rate. If you want to race around mid fleet tinker a bit. Potentially spend some serious serious time repairing or enhancing the boat (they are a fair bit more fragile). Probably foil earlier (although when free sailing the WASZP has a larger foil to help with more on water time). You do get to race against cup sailors and Olympians, but if you ever want to get to the top end. It will cost. But yes at the top end u can sit on 18 knots upwind and nd high 20s downwind. So it's horses for courses 2 very different beasts. The racing at sorrento in the WASZP.was amazingly close with everyone on the same kit.