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  1. What's it rate?
  2. Let me guess. They got stuck on the fact ORC has a 6m minimum length. If we could get a Fast 20 group together they might go for that but it is fairly late in the process.
  3. Got an email today from organizer quoting from the attached http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2017/02/28/gathering-sportboats-better-racing/ Essentially establishes a separate ORC class so sportboats that don't have the critical mass for a one design start don't have to race in phrf fleets. I was working to get a Fast 20 Fleet together, but couldn't get enough traction, but this might work. I don't know squat about ORC ratings so not sure how the smaller sporties can be expected to perform against the bigger boats. In phrf SD that hasn't worked that well. There is a Melges 32 (not Ed's boat) and a Farr 30 signed up in the ORC class thus far. I have a FT 7.5, that rates phrf 90 random leg and 102 W/L. Looking for input from those that have raced ORC.
  4. Can't believe I'm going to defend Scott, but I will defend San Diego. There are very few one design options here - J/105, FT10, Etchells, Bene 36.7, Solings and some dingies on Mission Bay, and an infrequent J/70 event. PHRF on the other hand is a big deal. I don't know where you sail, but CRA has to limit the summer beer can series normally to 125 entries - and they easily get that. Yes, that many show up on Wednesdays. The Hot Rum series in the fall gets just as many. True, the winds are not frequently that strong, but San Diego Bay is curved, has some geographical features and building structures that make the wind unpredictable, and understanding the current at any given moment is critical. Lastly, the competition isn't easy. Those Etchels and J/105 stars race phrf as well. The likes of Dennis Conner is usually on the line. So, the conditions are frequently challenging, the competition is great and there is plenty of it. ...and, you are in San Diego.
  5. I actually heard about this boat several months ago and considered it, but it will be much more to get it race ready: $17k for sails Maybe $5-6k for rudder Maybe $5k for carbon boom $2k rigging $5k for new bottom Another $5k if it needs a kelp cutter (can't remember if it needs it). Regardless you are in it for $50k before it could be raced are these actual numbers that you researched? -17k for a set of new but bare bones sails, maybe, but that won't get you a PH equipped boat with 2 mains, 3 jibs, 2 chutes and a 0. On the other hand if you're just going to day sail it who needs the spinnakers at all? - I would think 2 to 3k for the rudder. - Is the boom on the FT carbon? If so, that could be expensive but if you're not going to race it OD you could probably just go over to Marina Cortez and offer to buy a boom off one of their derelict abandon boats. - I think 8k for the rigging. That's 2 spin halyards, one main and 1 jib halyard, plus the vang, cunningham, outhaul, tack line, mainsheet, 2 sets of spinnaker sheets and at least one set of jib sheets. That's a lot of freaking rope. And don't forget all the high-end blocks that the ropes go through. Again, you could cheap it out by buying the cordage off a derelict 40 footer, but...... - probably already has a kelp cutter and decent bottom that just needs new paint. How are the instruments and what condition is the electrical package in? The $17k for sails is what the last guy here in SD paid for a set. That is one main, one jib and one spinnaker - North I can't recall what the Betts rudder is, but the comparable CCI rudder and tiller on their website is $4500. When I was looking I talked with the yard and strip and new Bottom paint on that boat is $5k The boom is carbon and the $5k is a guess, but what I recall in discussions For the money, Mile High Klub, which is fully sorted out at $55k is a better bet. BTW, I have no affiliation with either.
  6. How about Dennis Conner's tricked out Shock 35 as an alternative for $35k? https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/boa/6009651191.html
  7. I actually heard about this boat several months ago and considered it, but it will be much more to get it race ready: $17k for sails Maybe $5-6k for rudder Maybe $5k for carbon boom $2k rigging $5k for new bottom Another $5k if it needs a kelp cutter (can't remember if it needs it). Regardless you are in it for $50k before it could be raced
  8. I carry mine on and off the boat every time (use it 3-4 times every month). It only weighs about 5lbs so it isn't a big deal. I only charge it at home. Being a lithium battery, I wouldn't be too keen on leaving it on the boat while charging without keeping an eye on it. I don't have any way of charging it on my boat anyway so it isn't an option. I actually take the entire motor home each time because it is a highly pilferable item. I bought an old guitar bag to carry it in and it is fairly easy especially in a dock cart. I read all the discussions about noise and I don't get it. Mine is about a 2013 vintage and I think it is extremely quiet even at full throttle. I don't run it at full throttle very often because it drains so fast though. My only piece of advice is that you spray the contacts on the plugs every month or so with a contact cleaner of some sort. It has been extremely reliable except on the rare occasion when I don't have the plugs screwed on tight and then it will throw an error code and stop working if you go from forward to reverse very quickly or vice-versa.
  9. The 7.5 is a bigger boat. More stable than the J/70 and faster. J/70 rates 108 random leg vs. 7.5 at 90. The 7.5 feels as big as a J/80. I think the cockpit is likely a little bigger.
  10. I have a Torqeedo 1003 that I use on my FT 7.5. It easily moves the boat at hull speed at 3/4 throttle. Boat weighs 2150lbs. As stated above, the biggest drawback is the range. Don't run it at full throttle and you are okay. Running at 3/4 throttle I can get about an hour on a full charge. That is all I need for bay races. Offshore, I would want another battery in case the wind dies. The motor does tilt up enough to keep it out of the water unless the boat is heeled. I take it off and stow it when racing. I love how fast it is to set up and there is no drama with getting it running. Spray the pin contacts with a little electrolyte once in a while and it works every time. I looked at a propane motor, but didn't want the extra weight. The Torqueedo is much lighter than anything else out there and easy to handle since it is modular (motor, battery, tiller).
  11. I have two similar pairs. Pads are extra but fairly inexpensive. I bought both of my shorts at a significant discount. I think I paid roughly $40 each for them. Mine have worn very well and I thought they were better made than the Camet's that I looked at.
  12. Flying Tiger 7.5 ticks all of those and there is one for sale in San Diego.
  13. Don't do Mission Bay this weekend. Or if you do, don't plan on getting wet. There was a massive sewage spill when a pipe broke during the recent rains and the bay is closed for in-water activities. I have heard that one of the hotels downtown rents sailboats.
  14. I'll let ACP provide a better answer as he has had his longer than me and is much more accomplished with his. What I think I know is that in the US there are 3 boats in San Diego, 1 in LA and 1 in Georgia (?). There are a fleet of them in Canada at the National One Design Sailing Academy. The boat rates 90 Random Leg Course in San Diego. The past few years it was in PHRF 2b, with the Melges 24, Columbia 30 Sport, J/105, GP-26 and J/109, and J/70. In the CRA Beer Can series it also races against the FT-10s and Farr 30, Cheeta 30. That is a tough group of sport boats. It holds it's own against all but the FT-10. It does well against the J/105 and J/70. We can beat one of the Melges 24s; the other one I can't touch. The Farr 30 was beat routinely and the Dees GP-26 usually couldn't touch us. The Donovan GP-26 was tough. This year they have changed the phrf splits and we will race in a phrf 4 fleet that goes from 90 to 137. None of the boats above will be in that group except for the J/70. We will be up against J/29, J/27, C&C 99, Santana 30, Olson 911s, Olson 30, and some Benes, etc. Not sure how we will do. Should be great below 4 kts and above 13-14 kts when we can plane. I think the boat would be a tough competitor in an area with bigger wind than San Diego. It goes well upwind, even in a chop and feels much more like a keel boat than the J/70 or Melges. It's very stable and easy to sail. If the thing had hit the market 2 years earlier, they would be all over the place. The J/70 came out at just the right time. This is much more value for the money than that boat, but obviously doesn't have the one design fleets.
  15. Here is another thought for you. As you know most of the bigger boats now being discussed in this thread are going to be more expensive to own - higher slip fees, sails more expensive, etc. You might consider a C&C 29 MK II. The cockpit is a little smaller than some of the other boats discussed here, but it is a big 29 footer. Feels like a 30 footer and will be cheaper to own than the 34-38 footers. There is standing headroom below and the MK II is not tender like the MK I. It is a pretty nice light air boat and handles easily. ...and, I have seen one for sale in San Diego. Listed on YachtWorld. Price is a little high, but It has been listed for some time so I would bet they would be willing to deal. I had one before my FT 7.5 and know the boats well if you want an opinion on the one here. I know all the problem areas and have fixed most of them. Another plus is the boat has a solid glass hull, so no balsa core to deal with.