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    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    " ... the crew of the Maxi Edmond de Rothschild crossed the equator this Friday 15 January at 14h48'32'' UTC, after 5 days 13 hours 14 minutes and 46 seconds at sea. Though this first passage time is a far cry from the outright record for this section, which has been held since 2019 by Spindrift Racing in a time of 4 days 19 hours 57 minutes ..." IDEC's time was 5 days 18 hours 59 minutes. L. Peyron's time in 2011 was 5 days 14 hours 55 minutes. As I have said in previous posts, using IDEC, which was several hundred miles BEHIND the record pace at Cape of Good Hope, as a metric for the dive down the Atlantic is not the appropriate measure of progress. You have to be a lot FASTER than IDEC at the Cape of Good Hope to compensate for their run in the Indian Ocean and Pacific Gitana will pick up some miles over the next few days as IDEC was slow for a few days after they entered the South Atlantic on the way to the Cape of Good Hope. After that, look out ...
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    NYC/WLIS Crew list?

    Here is a link to a NYC Area Crew List This one doesn’t look like it has been very active. WindCheck, which is like Latitude 38 back East, used to have a section a section called “Crew Connection.” I can’t find it on their website. I have some vague recollection that they discontinued it for some reason. Maybe someone familiar with the facts behind that can fill it in for us … I got a few crew off of it and also a ride once. When the Beneteau 36.7 Class on Long Island Sound was active, they made an effort to place people on boats. Can’t find their website. YRALIS seems to be redoing their website and they have a Crew Board. Can’t tell if it is currently active. Larchmont YC does a good job in the winter getting crew out during their Frostbite Series. They also make a real effort to match you up with a cheap charter, if you are interested. Mamaroneck Frostbite Association has six Dyer’s for charter and also do a good job of getting people out on the water. Bus Mosbacher helped found the Association, so it can’t be all bad. The best board used to be NYC Area Crew List. It was privately maintained and I got a few rides off of it when I first moved from MDR to Westchester. I think the guy who ran it was named Alex Belov. I think he just got tired of taking down bot/spam posts, which infected the site in the 2000’s. The website address was belov/crewlist.html I checked the US Sailing Board. There’s nothing there … Which brings me to my point … Fuck US Sailing. How can there not be a Crew / Skipper List that is easily accessible right there on the front page. It is just a bunch of drop down menus. What assholes. How can they not see the need for something like this?
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    Anyone sailed on this 1984 Farr 44 in Mt Desert ME?

    Correct. Boat had been used in many prominent ads for Concordia, often times the full back cover of various sailing magazines. It was a picture of the boat going downwind, bow pointed right at the camera, with the bow person (an attractive young woman) at the bow pulpit, back to the camera, lazy guy in hand, ready for a jibe. She was the boat captain. Died on a delivery due to carbon monoxide poisoning. Early to Mid 90's.
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    Peterson 35 Ganbare Identification and Revival

    Is this thread complete without mentioning Not By Bread Alone?
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    Mizzen staysail question

    New Zealand Endeavour did not have a triactic (a stay between the top of the Main and the top of the Mizzen). It did have a "mizzen forestay," which ran from the top of the mizzen (which was basically a Volvo 60 mast) down to about 5 feet astern of the traveler; we actually flew the mizzen stay sail #3 and #4 off of that. The other mizzen stay sails (#1 #2 and #2VL) were on furlers and tacked to weather most of the time, as were the reaching and running mizzen spinnakers which we referred to (perhaps incorrectly) as mizzen gennakers. Rex Banks -- Top Ten Coolest Guys Ever.
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    someone to look at a boat in Union Hall Va.

    Fucking excellent. Merry Christmas, John.
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    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Yeah, I saw they had to gybe, but I didn't correctly calculate how unfavored the unfavorable gybe would be. I thought they would be able to gradually slide north to IDEC's track. Not head off at 50 degrees (not sure if it is mag or true). Excellent point. I did realize that. What I didn't anticipate was the gybe was such a bad heading and that they had to stay on it for so long. I think I was lured in by IDEC's track and assumed (incorrectly) that the lion's share of the miles would be straight down the track. As we can see, they sailed as straight as possible on the rhumb line to past New Zealand. It is why I called the Cape of Good Hope to Cape Leeuwin reference time "almost unassailable." In fact, to break the record you need to be ready to sail about 8000 miles in about 10 days just to stay even ... That dove tails into the point I was trying to make "up thread." It is a near meaningless figure to measure yourself against IDEC's time from the Start to the Equator and the Equator to the Cape of Good Hope because of their explosive performance across the Southern Ocean. You have to be 38 to 40 hours ahead at Cape of Good Hope AND average 840 miles a day from the Cape to Leeuwin just to stay even. That is why I was talking about Sprindrift's 4 days 20 hours to the Equator and Garbart's 5 days 23 and 1/2 hours Equator to Cape of Good Hope time as a rough measure of progress. Those times combined, 10 days, 20 hours would put you about 48 hours ahead of Joyon's time of approximately 12 days, 20 hours. Then you stay even with Joyon in the Indian Ocean and you are 10 hours ahead at Leeuwin. Ten hours isn't a lot, but it keeps you in the game. Can't help but feel bad for the Sodebo crew as they lose all those miles. Being chased by a ghost that you know won't experience a bad wind shift or get cold or tired. A ghost that just keeps reeling off miles. It reminds me of when Reese explains what The Terminator is to Sarah Connor. Just substitute IDEC for "The Terminator." Kyle Reese : Listen, and understand! [IDEC] is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until [it sails past you] ! Lead now down to 272 nm.
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    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Airwick and Laurent – thanks for the translations. I am famously without any French. I, too, wonder what Coville means … Let’s assume, Coville’s statement means that he feels the low pressure position is not ideal and the sea state is not conducive to foiling for their leg to Leeuwin. If you do a back of the envelope calculation, we know IDEC will average 35 knots / 840 nm over the 4 ½ days to Cape Leeuwin. So if Sodebo averages 740 nm a day over this leg, which seems reasonable since their lowest figure has been about 770 nm over a 24 hour period since they entered the Southern Ocean, they will lose 450 nm against their lead. Let’s call their lead as IDEC crossed the Cape of Good Hope meridian 650 nm (it was probably more). So Coville is counting on a 200 nm lead. Basically, he’ll be slower than Joyon but faster than Peyron over this leg. Coville is a determined individual. He twice completed solo circumnavigations (at the time the second and third fastest ever) when he was chasing the 57 day record. Later (with a different boat) he shattered it with a sub 50 day lap. He also was twice crew on successful JV attempts. And I think he was crew on a winning Volvo boat. He knows there are gains and losses in the Pacific as well as the climb to the Equator and from the Equator to France. We have seen that, given the right conditions, Sodebo is as fast as IDEC over a 24 hour period. It could be that Coville knows the boat is better than what we have seen. It could be the trip down the Atlantic would have been too slow to carry on if the boat was non-foiling, but that the foiling mode saved the attempt. I think he feels if he keeps it close, he could/will catch a break. Current lead 595 nm.
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    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Interesting. Where did you get that information? It is true that the Cape of Good Hope to Cape Leeuwin IDEC time is close to unassailable. You’d need flat water, perfect weather and a foiler to get ahead of the 4 ½ day reference time. That’s about a 35 knot average and about an average of 840 nm a day. I assume the brain trust on Sodebo feels the Leeuwin to Cape Horn reference time is “softer.” Maybe they are banking on foiling from Cape Horn to the Equator, a reference record that IDEC doesn’t own. IDEC pouring it on, taken about 50 miles back. Lead now 644 nm. Below is a report I took off of Scuttlebutt. Interesting about having the autopilot drive. That would flat out terrify me. (December 6; Day 12) – In its bid to win the Jules Verne Trophy, Sodebo Ultim 3 has been enjoying a long sprint towards the Indian Ocean, covering 886 miles in the past 24 hours (36.9 knots average), very close to the absolute 24-hour record (908.2 miles per Banque Populaire V in 2009). Their lead on the Idec Sport scoreboard has further increased, to 651 miles this afternoon. “Since our last maneuver, we have not not been below 35 knots, we even made an hour above 40,” reported crew member Thomas Rouxel. “I had never experienced this before, only these boats allow it, especially in these conditions. We are at the front of a depression, which allows us to have strong wind and flat seas (emphasis added); it is quite exceptional.” Under these conditions, the autopilot was called upon. “At these speeds and when reaching, a crosswind, the pilot steers better than the man; especially since there were times when he couldn’t see 50 meters,” continues the 38-year-old coxswain. “We take care of the settings to get the most out of the boat’s performance: we give ourselves an ideal heeling angle and we try to stick to it with the sheet and mainsail carriage settings. If the wind eases, we can also adjust the jib settings.” At these speeds, life on board is quite sporty. “It moves a lot, it makes a lot of noise, the movements of the boat are quite violent, it’s complicated to move, you have to hold on all the time,” Rouxel describes. “This afternoon, I prepared a small pasta dish for the community, it was a little adventure, I managed not to burn myself!” Despite this, the eight sailors manage to get to sleep. “As we are very tired, we can fall asleep and sleep properly, we have good mattresses and good sleeping bags,” confirms Rouxel. Rouxel concludes, “Going around the world on an Ultim trimaran is every sailor’s dream. It’s going relatively quickly, 40 days at sea, in very good ‘comfort’ compared to a Volvo 65, where you’re underwater all the time, or even an IMOCA, which is a very hard boat. This is the best, I’m happy to come back to these corners on Sodebo Ultim 3, even if it remains the South. We will be cold, we will be wet all the time because the humidity is 100%, there will constantly be condensation in the bins, but it remains a relative comfort.” Crew list: Thomas Coville, François Duguet, Sam Goodchild, Corentin Horeau, Martin Keruzoré, François Morvan, Thomas Rouxel and Matthieu Vandame. After starting at 02h 55min (French time) on November 25, to grab the Jules Verne Trophy (40:23:30:30), the 32-metre Sodebo Ultim 3 must cross the finish line in Ouessant before January 5 at 2h25min (French time, subject to World Sailing Speed Record Council). Updates – Tracker – Facebook The rules for the Jules Verne Trophy are simple – it is for the fastest time around the world by any type of yacht with no restrictions on the size of the crew, starting and finishing from the exact line between the Le Créac’h Lighthouse off the tip of Brittany and the Lizard Point in Cornwall. It was first won in 1993, with all nine winners as either catamarans or trimarans. The current challenge is to beat the record time of 40 days 23 hours 30 minutes and 30 seconds set by Francis Joyon and crew on the 31.5m IDEC Sport in 2017. Record Facts • Start and finish: a line between Créac’h lighthouse (Isle of Ushant) and Lizard Point (England) • Course: non-stop around-the-world tour racing without outside assistance via the three Capes (Good Hope, Leeuwin and Horn) • Minimum distance: 21,600 nautical miles (40,000 kilometres) • Ratification: World Sailing Speed Record Council, • Time to beat: 40 days, 23 hours, 30 minutes and 30 seconds • Average speed: 21.96 knots • Date of current record: January 2017 • Holder: IDEC SPORT, Francis Joyon and a 5-man crew Split Time References – Full Crew: Ushant-Equator: 4d 20h 07 ‘(Spindrift 2 in 2019) Equator-Cape Aiguilles: 6d 08h 55 ‘(Banque Populaire V in 2012) Cape Aiguilles-Cape Leeuwin: 4d 09h 32 ‘(IDEC Sport in 2017) Cape Leuuwin-Cape Horn: 9d 08h 46 ‘(IDEC Sport in 2017) Cape Horn-Equator: 7d 04h 27 ‘(Banque Populaire V in 2012) Equator-Ushant: 5d 19h 21 ‘(IDEC Sport in 2017) Here are the nine that have held the trophy: 2017 – Francis Joyon / IDEC SPORT (31.5m) – 40:23:30:30 2012 – Loïck Peyron / Banque Populaire V (40m) – 45:13:42:53 2010 – Franck Cammas / Groupama 3 (31.5m) – 48:07:44:52 2005 – Bruno Peyron / Orange II (36.8m) – 50:16:20:04 2004 – Olivier De Kersauson / Geronimo (33.8m) – 63:13:59:46 2002 – Bruno Peyron / Orange (32.8m) – 64:08:37:24 1997 – Olivier De Kersauson / Sport-Elec (27.3m) – 71:14:22:08 1994 – Peter Blake, Robin Knox-Johnston / Enza New Zealand (28m) – 74:22:17:22 1993 – Bruno Peyron / Commodore Explorer (28m) – 79:06:15:56
  10. Former MDR Vandal 1

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Wow. That was amazing watching Sodebo drop into that low and take off. I think the highest 24 hour average I saw 880 + nm and they were close to 700 nm ahead of IDEC at one point … They were going right down the rhumb line for the majority of the day. They remain about 175 miles further south than IDEC’s track where you get big gains by being a few more degrees south. They clearly have the speed to put up the numbers required. Now the question becomes if the boat is reliable, the weather cooperates and ice is not an issue (Peyron had to jog north in 2011 due to ice). I don’t think there is any question the crew is up to the task. Sodebo crossed the Cape of Good Hope meridian at about 12 days, 2 hours. That is about 4 hours and 15 minutes slower than Peyron in 2011 (and about 5 hours, 50 minutes slower than Garbart in 2017). IDEC is currently 17 ½ hours behind. We know that they are about to reel off ten 800 mile days in a row and turn a 21 hour 45 minute deficit into a 17 hour advantage by Cape Leeuwin. Sodebo is currently in the midst of an 830 mile 24 hour period. The crazy thing is IDEC is in the midst of an 850 24 hour run. So they are slowly reeling in Sodebo. Can’t imagine doing 830 nm AND lose ground to the competition. Other worldly numbers …
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    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Sodebo will basically have to show another gear that they have not yet had a chance to demonstrate. I thought that a much more modern crewed foiler would be comfortably ahead of the fastest reference times at this point so that they would only have to match the IDEC Southern Ocean numbers. Right now Sodebo are showing 850 nm over the last 24 hours with a 562 nm lead. They will certainly have to reel off several 890 + nm days to keep themselves in contention by Cape Horn. I was surprised they legged out on Gitana 17 during those first few days … And as I mentioned I was completely wrong in 2016 about IDEC’s chances due to the deficit they faced as they entered the Indian Ocean ...
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    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    It will be interesting to see where Sodebo is at the Cape of Good Hope reference point. Their relatively small 200 nm lead over IDEC allowed them to get on the “Southern Ocean Low Pressure Highway” a day prior to when IDEC did in 2016. Sodebo are piling on some miles right now (as I write they are 525 nm ahead) … but Day 11 is when IDEC came alive are started putting up the unreal numbers highlighted below. The crewed record to Cape of Good Hope is was not set by IDEC but by Loick Peyron in 2011 at 11 d 21 h 48. The best time is Garbart’s (due to his amazing run in the South Atlantic) at 11 d 20 h 10 '. IDEC was roughly 21 hours behind those times. As I write this, Sodebo is over 1,150 nm from the Cape of Good Hope meridian. The clock is at 10 days, 16 hours, 40 minutes. At 800 miles a day, that is still over 30 hours to the Good Hope meridian. So I don’t think that Sodebo will crush the Peyron/Gabart reference time. I have been trying to calculate, as I have watched from my warm and safe couch, as Sodebo descends to the Southern Ocean, is how Sodebo is doing against Peyron/Gabart as a reference. I remember IDEC was so far behind Peyron when they entered the Southern Ocean four years ago I didn’t think they had a real chance to break the record they ended up shattering. My point is at least until this point on the course, IDEC was not the most compelling reference point. Starting tomorrow, IDEC’s numbers are the numbers to beat. Not only are the Southern Ocean numbers daunting, but Joyon’s Equator to Ushant time is the crewed record by 14 hours over Cammas in 2009 and 38 hours faster than Peyron’s time during his 2011 circumnavigation. I am sure we all wish the Sodebo crew a safe a fast trip through the Southern Ocean. Joyon’s Numbers (selected) 6 consecutive days at an average of 850.7 miles / 24 h (35.45 knots) Cape Agulhas-Cape Leeuwin in 4 days 9 h 37 min 46 at an average speed of 35.08 knots over ground (3,705 miles) or 842 miles in 24 hours (6 days 8 min or 36% more for Loïck Peyron's previous record) Cape Leeuwin - Cape Horn in 9 d 08 h 46 min (12 d 22 h 22 min or 38% more for Loïck Peyron's previous record) Cape of Good Hope - Cape Horn in 13 d 20 h 13 min (19 d 00 h 31 min or 37% more for Loïck Peyron's previous record) Indian Ocean: 5 d 21 h 7 min 45 s (WSSRC reference) (8 d 07 h 23 min or 41% more for Loïck Peyron during the 2011 record) Pacific Ocean: 7 d 21 h 13 min 31 s (WSSRC reference) (10 d 15 h 07 min or 39% more for Loïck Peyron during the 2011 record) North Atlantic return record: 5 d 19 h 21 min (7 d 10 h 58 min or 25% more for Loïck Peyron during the 2011 record)
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    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    You are quite the student of the game and an astute observer … I only wish I had created a chart that accurately displayed each leg’s best speed in comparison the others to illustrate points such as those … say in post Number 205 …
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    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    This is why the North and South Atlantic going down and the South and North Atlantic going up matter so much ... from Cape of Good Hope to Cape Horn there are potentially no real gains to be had until these boats are reliably fully foiling in fresh conditions for their entire run in the South. Just coming close to matching Francis' Southern Ocean run would be a most impressive feat. Think 85 home runs in a season, or 145 goals in the NHL, or running for 2,700 yards in the NFL. That is what Francis did down there on an old boat with 5 other guys ...
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    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    We all miss Fralo’s terrific site which succinctly summarized Jules Verne attempts as well as related information such as Fosset’s and Garbart’s circumnavigations. Below are the relevant times with the fastest intermediate reference times highlighted. The chart below identifies fastest leg. If you string all of the fastest legs together, you are looking at theoretical 38 day circumnavigation. Of course, it doesn’t work that way …