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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Bump wirh all the Facebook promo, now front page and still nothing in this forum. So is hype = reality? TP52 speeds (really?) build quality? Fast 40 v melges 40? come on we have had our first 4 boat international regatta. Some promo slow sailing in light wind.
  2. Will these be available for normal people to buy and play? And If so how much? Would be a pitty to lock these boats to this event only.
  3. FFS Orific put in the wrong boards for the day... bullshit they have one set of foils that go from 6-9 knots and the other 8-25 knots..... their heavy air foils will be smaller and as such harder in marginal conditions to manuver and it's also likely you would get more side slip which is what we all though was better NZ veg up wind. And to stay on small foils down wind you need to sail hotter. So no sand bagging, simply a wrong foil choice on second day.... they won't make that mistake again
  4. The fastest power boats are not foilers (way to slow) and are a hybrid mono. One more round of cats and we will be at terminal velocity, which is where they were 15 years ago (just much faster)
  5. Actually I disagree.... AC boats have a finite top speed based on foil design. They simply can't break this barrier. Monohulls have plenty of scope... we have IMOCA 60's achieving over 30knots single handed in the middle of an ocean... 40 knots if unconstraind would be realustic
  6. 70 foot mono box rule.... enable full foiling. Think IMOCA 60 but with no restrictions on foils. Would love to know if they could get a mono upto similar speeds as these AC cats. Much better and more likely trickle down tech. return to proper windward works off the start line.
  7. Why do I have to go to other online publication to get any information about the AC? outside of what you all are putting up... There is bugger all on the front page. Come on Clean!!!! No daily updates, no inside information or gossip, no skipper with owners wife stories nothing.... Not even beach bunnies in Bermuda playing on bodacious boats.... No special on water stuff... very very disappointed overall with SA coverage on what is turning out to be a little interesting sailing event.
  8. 860 please.... My 6foot isn't going to fit in this one.....
  9. Current maxi going around the world has averaged 36 knots. Wild oats in the Kepple race were patting themselves on the back for averaging 22knots over only 400 miles..... Mono's still have a long way to go
  10. Last race proved that the use of AIS and real time weather info availability means that the actual design of the boats is less important than many sailing types might imagine. Few fliers were taken, it was an endurance boat speed race. However: Foiling boats have proven distinctly prone to unlucky strikes from marine life and floating objects, introducing a bigger lottery factor to any race they compete in. Spectators watching over the interwebs get little sense of the real pace of the boats, it's irrelevant whether a boat is doing 20 knots or 30 if the whole fleet moves at about the same speed. We only just saw our first ever video of an IMOCA 60 at full stretch in the Southern Ocean, after 30 years of racing Open 60s. One design limits budgets and promotes entries. One design means that construction weaknesses leading to mechanical failures for one or some competitors are unlikely, "all boats or none" is the most likely failure mode. High development costs in open and box rule fleets are often mitigated these days by sharing moulds, components and designs across programs. Many IMOCA 60s currently share even non-rule mandated common components like hulls and decks. Quite a few of the current TP52 fleet share hulls, keels, masts etc. even when they don't have to. It's important to ask the "why" question when thinking about features. For example, Why does it makes sense to use foils? "bBecause foiling boats are cool" isn't an acceptable answer when the target audience is non-sailors who can't tell the difference. Why is the current V065 a bad idea? The racing was tght and compelling last edition. Plenty of boats won a leg. That's exciting. Why is absolute boat performance a prime criterion? The enjoyment of a development box rule, if you don't think foils are fast, be innovative and win. The last VOR and the next had little trickle down development. No sail development (unless you buy Norths), no keel/bulb or canting tech, no structural inovation. Some teams will combine resources but there will always be a team that thinks outside the box and becomes a winner. As for speed, well it speeds up the boring bits that general public hate about sailing. We are in the similar to car racing, only watch for the crashes. Fast, scarey, innovative and prone to failure are is the recipe. Just one southern ocean resuce will appeal to the general public. Have the worlds most efficient powerboat trail the fleet and pick up the carnage. I love the idea of zero emmision boat race....
  11. What's your vote for the next generation of VOR boat? Mine would be go to a box rule 65 foot MONO. Allow for full foiling. A new type of boat that can achieve new world records (every generation of VOR boat has set some sort of record except for the last OD) Let SA decide the next evolution of VOR boat
  12. With the leaders completing 45% in just 29 days.... Is it to early to predict if they will beat the overall record (78 days) and by how much??? Will we see a sub 70day???
  13. Ok we have the Quant 23 which demonstrates that a Sportsboat can fly (do we know if it is quicker around a windward leeward course than the fastest Aus sportsboat a?). Seeing lots of small off the beach cat and mono development and some multihull trailer sailors (sea cart 30) are investing in retro fitting foils. So where is the development and or retro fitting of foils to sportsboats? I would have thought say a Shaw650 may be a candidate.
  14. It's a Blackjack year