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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. 860 please.... My 6foot isn't going to fit in this one.....
  2. Current maxi going around the world has averaged 36 knots. Wild oats in the Kepple race were patting themselves on the back for averaging 22knots over only 400 miles..... Mono's still have a long way to go
  3. Last race proved that the use of AIS and real time weather info availability means that the actual design of the boats is less important than many sailing types might imagine. Few fliers were taken, it was an endurance boat speed race. However: Foiling boats have proven distinctly prone to unlucky strikes from marine life and floating objects, introducing a bigger lottery factor to any race they compete in. Spectators watching over the interwebs get little sense of the real pace of the boats, it's irrelevant whether a boat is doing 20 knots or 30 if the whole fleet moves at about the same speed. We only just saw our first ever video of an IMOCA 60 at full stretch in the Southern Ocean, after 30 years of racing Open 60s. One design limits budgets and promotes entries. One design means that construction weaknesses leading to mechanical failures for one or some competitors are unlikely, "all boats or none" is the most likely failure mode. High development costs in open and box rule fleets are often mitigated these days by sharing moulds, components and designs across programs. Many IMOCA 60s currently share even non-rule mandated common components like hulls and decks. Quite a few of the current TP52 fleet share hulls, keels, masts etc. even when they don't have to. It's important to ask the "why" question when thinking about features. For example, Why does it makes sense to use foils? "bBecause foiling boats are cool" isn't an acceptable answer when the target audience is non-sailors who can't tell the difference. Why is the current V065 a bad idea? The racing was tght and compelling last edition. Plenty of boats won a leg. That's exciting. Why is absolute boat performance a prime criterion? The enjoyment of a development box rule, if you don't think foils are fast, be innovative and win. The last VOR and the next had little trickle down development. No sail development (unless you buy Norths), no keel/bulb or canting tech, no structural inovation. Some teams will combine resources but there will always be a team that thinks outside the box and becomes a winner. As for speed, well it speeds up the boring bits that general public hate about sailing. We are in the similar to car racing, only watch for the crashes. Fast, scarey, innovative and prone to failure are is the recipe. Just one southern ocean resuce will appeal to the general public. Have the worlds most efficient powerboat trail the fleet and pick up the carnage. I love the idea of zero emmision boat race....
  4. What's your vote for the next generation of VOR boat? Mine would be go to a box rule 65 foot MONO. Allow for full foiling. A new type of boat that can achieve new world records (every generation of VOR boat has set some sort of record except for the last OD) Let SA decide the next evolution of VOR boat
  5. With the leaders completing 45% in just 29 days.... Is it to early to predict if they will beat the overall record (78 days) and by how much??? Will we see a sub 70day???
  6. Ok we have the Quant 23 which demonstrates that a Sportsboat can fly (do we know if it is quicker around a windward leeward course than the fastest Aus sportsboat a?). Seeing lots of small off the beach cat and mono development and some multihull trailer sailors (sea cart 30) are investing in retro fitting foils. So where is the development and or retro fitting of foils to sportsboats? I would have thought say a Shaw650 may be a candidate.
  7. It's a Blackjack year
  8. O yes $10m build. Have you built at 80ft race boat recently? MOD 70 price tag is $5m. Still publish on their website if you care to look. The price point was more a cost control ideal. By the time you add all the extras such as a sail development program this number will double quickly, typically of all competitive sailing programs, it isn't the purchase price but development and running costs. If Volvo doesn't go Multi quickly it will be relagated to a "what used to be" even while the sailing public continue to be intrigued by 100+ multis. The Volvo 70 at the time were the peak of yachts which is why we love them.
  9. Mark, here is idea. Just make a box rule (80 feet long, 60 feet wide, 120 feet high) with a price cap of say $10m build. Allow development back in. I think I have been watching to much ORMA 60 footage lately lol.
  10. So what happens when the CYCA decides to up the maximum size and speed? History shows they don't mind moving the goal posts. Less we forget that WO actually started life as a 98 footer with smaller rig/sails/sprit due to a max set by CYCA.
  11. How many G4 have been sold?
  12. XL Dsq'd, no shit. There's ample evidence in a couple of photos up-thread to decide that. Probably won't make Coompsy feel any better about things though. Hope the repairs are on-time and she can get away soon. Was this enough for XLR8 owner to throw hands in the air and list his boat for sale? What is happening in Melb with all your Div 0 and most Div 1 boats up for sale or sold.
  13. You can turn that around and say Jim Clark at 70 realizes he is a liability on a racing yacht in that race whereas nobody dares say to Syd Fischer he is. (Both. because of his pedigree and because he is the owner.) Not that I think Syd shouldn't do as he pleases, just that that doesn't say jack shit about Clark or Fischer (And I am a fan-bot of neither.) You seen Clarks wife????? Sailing V in comfortable bed with her......
  14. Yep, tracker sucks..... Volvo botched that one but there is NOTHING they can do about it right now. Let's hope they are listening and currently have their tech's working on a solution. If they don't fix it for leg 2, I for one won't be bothering and will look elsewhere for my entertainment.