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  1. 2flit


    Life seems to be currently going on as usual in Opua, New zealand. As an example, check out the local calendar for the Opua Cruising Club at http://opuacruisingclub.co.nz/events/ In the mean time; we wonder if we will be able to sail back north toward Tonga or Fiji come April and May as we notice that the Marshall Islands andf Micronesia are now effectively closed to all visiting yachts. Interesting time to be on a sailing trip around the world
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    I would be interested in taking a look at your C36 progress on FaceBook

    1. Wess


      Just FYI, I think (?) this is public so don't put your name here.  Instead send me a PM with your name and I am happy to accept a facebook friend request. Sorry if you already did and I didn't accept.  I tend to ignore those I don't know/recognize. Anyway, I think you know who I am from past discussions but if not or if its lost just ask in the PM and I will respond.  The facebook page is half boating and half road trip and back country hiking.  The boat rebuild is complete and is a standard C36. We like it a lot. Pretty sure your F39 has more in the way of cruising gear!!


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      Can't seem to PM you on SA

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    Ideal lazy bag cradle for mainsail?

    I'm curious also We spend a lot of time gathering up all the sail and tying it up around the boom when reefing. How well do these 'stackpacks/boom cradles/diapers' work to control all the lowered sail, upwind and when downwind? We are considering this only to use when reefing.
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    bluewater multihulls

    Both boats in NZD so reduce asking price by a 0.66 multiplier....
  5. Hi Tom,

    I think you are asking about the Cape Horn on a boat you are buying? If so, let's try to PM.

    I also had one on a monohull about 30 years ago. It worked great.

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      I was asking about the Watt&Sea hydrogenator.  Looking at an Fboat that has one on it.  From what I understand wind vanes on moderately fast trimarans don't seem to really work well.

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      The Watt and Sea works great, we put it on to keep up with the increase in load needed when we switched from the Cape Horn to an electric autopilot. The Watt & Sea exceeds my expectations. We can see 30 amps from it during passages and often just pull it out of the water because our batteries fill quite fast while using the Watt & Sea. The other minor issue for us is that we run LiFePO4 batteries without a BMS and I have not made the effort to update the firmware in the Watt & Sea controller to Lithium chemistry where we want to see 2-stage no-float type charging..

      Be sure to use an overly strong mount to hold the thing on the back of your boat, use a 4-part block and tackle system to both raise and lower it, have a decently secure area to run the tackle', always watch your boat speed because if you run the medium size prop at 18+ knots (even for a second) the blades break off, I recommend the 'manually' adjustable fixed pitch prop with the replace able blades set for 22kn on a Farrier F39..  Call me tonight if you like to talk but remember we are in New Zealand time, up to 11pm or after 10am is good any day. My wife's phone is a US number 805 825-5498

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    bluewater multihulls

    Off-topic warning>> Hopelessly unworkable, we removed it after the October 2017 passage from Vancouver Island to San Diego. Before and after removal pics. (lead of lines as suggested by Yves)
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    bluewater multihulls

    We have an F36 that's stretched to a 40' LOD. It’s a very nice build that Farrier oversaw. We’re finding that we shouldn’t be carrying all the stuff we started the trip with and are unloading gear like drunk packrats. Stuff like 300’ of 7/8” rode, Sumbrella sun tent, spare stern anchor, and most of the spares we started the trip with (3 yards e-glass, resin, spare chart plotter, et.al.). Our payload is 3,000 lbs. and we mostly used that up adding gear like the water maker, calorimeter, anchors, stern line, radar arch, dodger and Bimini, and so on…. I started weighing stuff when we left, made a spread sheet and hit our limit quite soon. I attached it to this posting. We just can’t carry the stuff (personal and mechanical) we are used to having on a Monohull. It’s a lifestyle choice when you try to have a fast trimaran. Boardhead is carrying just 2,000 pounds of stuff around. That sounds like a whole lot of stuff but it adds up very quickly. The boat we have has interior space like a Dragonfly but at a fraction of the true hull weight…. yet we don’t even get in the same ballpark of super light weight that Skateaway hits. We (age 61 and 57) would not choose the tradeoff in accommodation implicit in that design. When I was 40 years old; Skateaway would have been perfect. Point is; There is a whole lot more we need to know about what riwoz expects when long distance cruising Some other stuff that came up: No problem sleeping on our boat when single handing, its louder than a monohull but way more comfortable. The boat acts like it’s running on rails going down wind at 30 knot AWS, 150 AWA. The whole it’s going to’ broach or turn turtle’ seems a bit overblown as a serious concern, but the most we have seen is about 60+ AWS headed upwind at a 55 AWA with gusts measured to 87kn. Stuff not mentioned: Finding a place to haulout and birth is sometimes a huge challenge, we spent the last hurricane season in the Tuamotus and no one there could haul us, and there was just one yard in all of French Polynesia that could accommodate our Tri. Even in New Zealand; we have found our choices very limited. In extremely close quarters; They are harder to dock than a mono or a cat, we have encountered marinas that allow cats but not Tri’s! Insurance is a whole lot more expensive, we pay $1,800 CAD for Liability only, and offshore worldwide hull insurance is unbelievably expensive. That’s if you can even find it., You have three times the waterline to maintain which in the very high fouling waters of the Marquesas’ this was a burden. It is an unbelievably huge advantage to have our shallow 22" draft almost everywhere we have been, I can not imagine dragging a seven foot lead keel around. Anchorages in French Polynesia can be very crowded and we could go almost anywhere we could find sand, and it's easier to clean the hull when you can stand next to the waterline. Only one other boat we met had a shorter passage from the west coast, we love sailing offshore. All said and done; I am much happier with our Tri over a similar size monohull. Way faster, way more comfortable offshore, but as I approach age 70 in another eight years, I may wish I had a fast and more spacious cat. Nehenehe Carry Capacity.xlsx
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    Alternatives to Marinco solar powered vent.

    20 years old and Nicro's are still running. When off-shore we pull them and plug the holes with a Yeti drink cup lid. Otherwise they leak! We retain the plug using a screw since the hull compression on our amas will blow an unsecured lid off the deck when pounding to windward. We found some rebuild parts thru Dowind Marine in San Diego in July of 2018
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    Making Lithium Batteries?

    We have been using a 400 a-hr LiFePO4 battery bank in a Farrier F36/39 trimaran on a circumnavigation. We left the Puget Sound in October of 2017 and are currently in the Bay of Islands, NZ.. We operate with no Battery Management System (BMS). It is my opinion that a BMScan cause more problems than it solves. Thus far.... We have encountered a few other boats with lithium but we are the only one operating with no BMS. It's rare to to do this because of the prevailing idea that you must have a BMS to be safe. I want to add to this discussion and say that this may be untrue and the reverse may in fact be the case. The only issues we have seen in the other boatrs with Lithium banks has been because of the BMS, either failing or drawing down the bank durring a layup. We spent $540 per 100 A-Hr. (12-volt) no BMS . Try looking around here: http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=ca100fi and look into a procedure known as "Bottom Balancing"
  10. No lead balloons.... just traveling to Manitoulin Island and no WIFI around. I know that our 3,500++ pound addition sank the boat about 4", don't forget that the Amas have 200% buoyancy on this design and they are starting to bear down significantly at this point. We used to lift the windward hull and clear the water completely around 6kn. With all the added weight it takes around 16 before we are skipping the windward amas across the wave tops. We are also 39’ 11” on deck. But point taken…. I may have a poor memory of what Ian said five years ago. There is no question in my mind that the F36/39 design does not allow for the sort of stuff that almost every other cruising boat we meet is carrying. We have about ½ to ¼ of the “stuff” most of our friends have aboard and we are still overweight! Safe Carrying capacity on the F39 is stated at 3,500 lbs.
  11. Yes... we are very lucky that she originally floated on her design waterline or maybe a hair above, (I checked this inside the dagger board trunk inspection port and at stem and transom) . I am sure that this is due to Ian Farrier’s personal supervision of the build when he was based in Bellingham and Seattle. Our build also benefitted immensely from the input from other builders… especially the builder of a Canadian 9A (?name? S/V “Infrared” who was floating 3+” ABOVE his design waterline.. In any case, it seem that owner builders often can’t help adding a bit of extra glass here and there as they build and the boats can be heavy. The ,off-shore, cruising design of the F36 seem to have suffered from this type of behavior. Many of the other sisterships are clearly down on their lines, even to the point where one of them had the first swim step almost submerged when its supposed to be about 6” out of the water (that would at least 5,000 pounds overweight !!!!). I tried to weight her, but there was no strain gauge around the San Juan Islands and the lift in San Diego and Tahiti had broken gauges. I don’t even want to know now with all the gear I added, our swim step is now only about 2-1/2” out of the water and I think Ian told be the pounds per inch of submersion was close to 2,000. We have a forward V-birth and a King width aft birth, so the sleeping accommodations are not the issue…. It’s just the interior volume that posses issues for us as a couple. My wife has expectations like a Ferrari… not a Hyundai, and she is turning out souffles, duck confit, and glorious French extravaganzas in the two burner galley stove like Jacques Pépin on the sea. So the expectations we arrived aboard with are not those of the average Trimaran sailor.
  12. have one of those F36/39 trimarans that I am sailing with my wife (the trips 99% her idea) . We are not all that far along on our circumnavigation..., sailed down the coast from Vancouver island to San Diego, over to Nuku-Hiva, spent eight months in the Tuamotus, headed back up to the Marquesas, and are now in Taha'a getting ready to sail to New Zealand soon. We still have a very long way to go but have sailed the design enough to offer a few comments.... I am nearly in complete agreement with BoreHead... Ian certainly had different ideas about the quantity of gear one was content to travel around with. We have scuba gear, two bicycles, three anchors, 85 meters of chain, 300 meters of rode, PT-11 dingy, quite a few spares, camping gear, water maker, fridge, .... and so on. I don't think the payload capacity that he envisioned included most of this gear. I stopped weighing it all around 3,500 pounds of added weight. We are lucky that Ian oversaw the building and outfitting of our hull and she floated on her design waterline before we started adding all that stuff. We went from a faster than wind speed boat to one that is only as fast as the speedier cruising mono-hulls we meet. Without trying to sail fast and rather over reefed we made the 3,500+ mile crossing to Nuku Hiva in less time than all but two other cruising boats we met during the month spent in Taiohae. We are more than happy with that but .... we certainly wish we could carry more stuff and have more space aboard for friends and family. My wife's daughter spent five weeks with us but we would not normally ever wish to take crew on because of the space constraints. So all in all.... the F36 has been a great compromise between cost and performance for me. I am sure if we had more cash to spend that we would buy something with more room and ability to safely pack more gear. We only know of one other F36 that has circumnavigated so it's still a design that has not been proven; but it's far more offshore capable than the C37 or 36.....