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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

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  1. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    If you race their route you will get into heavy weather, especially if your on a 'fixed' schedule. None of what has happened would be surprising if you looked at a half-decent risk assessment of the race.
  2. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    Isn't it fascinating that every skipper considers himself to be an above average 'safe' skipper? But very few have ever actually done a professional risk assessment or understand the basics of managing risks. So.... let's have a look at what is standard in any other hazardous activity; the "Hierarchy of hazard controls" Clipping in, PFD's, personal AIS, training, experience, ... are the LEAST EFFECTIVE controls of hazards. Yes, you have to use them as well; but they won't really make you safe. To be truly safer, you have to substitute or eliminate all hazards. So instead of asking: "Why did his tether not keep him on board" you could ask: "Why did he have to leave the cockpit ?" And instead of asking: "Was he fit and experienced enough to be on the bow in heavy weather ?" you could ask "Why were they in heavy weather?" You could also ask: "Why can a boom hit a head ?" It is possible to sail around the world without ever getting into a storm or leaving the cockpit. But that's not interesting enough for a commercial pay-to-play product.....
  3. 2017 Heineken Results - Offshore Multihulls

    Just imagine the perfect rating system, where the best crew wins every time! We could stop the regatta after the first race and all go home. Plus we would only have to race every year or two. That would make racing a lot more affordable.
  4. 2017 Heineken Results - Offshore Multihulls

    When cruising, you spend 99% on autopilot. Being outside for 1% of the time (plus sail adjustments) is not that tough... With the autopilot remote, does the saloon's sofa, with a comfy blanket, qualify as 'protected helm station'?
  5. 2017 Heineken Results - Offshore Multihulls

    Where can I read more about the new "Multi-Rule" ratings system? Google did not help (yet). Excellent progress to use real polars, but where is TWS and TWA for each race taken from? Also from the individual boats (averaged?) or from weather stations?
  6. 2017 Heineken Results - Offshore Multihulls

    Performance cats are very, very awesome for cruising. But its absurd to race while dragging along toilets, plumbing, fridges, blackwater tanks, a saloon and hulls twice as wide as necessary. For real racing it has to be smallish and OD. Unleaded, whenever possible. Still; I would love to know how they made that 5X go that fast!
  7. 2017 Heineken Results - Offshore Multihulls

    What did they do to that poor 5X to make it go that fast?! The sad truth is that all of these ‘performance’ cats suck at racing. If you build a pure ~60ft racing multi, it will go twice as fast, at half the price… So the competition is essentially: “Who can make (or configure) his the most un-cruisable.” Very strange.
  8. Capsized 57' Catamaran rescued

    Windytv now also displays CAPE: https://www.windytv.com/overlays?cape,-11.609,140.405,5 Compare with predicted 'Gusts' https://www.windytv.com/overlays?gust,-11.609,140.405,5 Some of our other weather sources are considering offering this excellent information as well. Email them for encouragement! Explanation of CAPE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convective_available_potential_energy
  9. Capsized 57' Catamaran rescued

    On our Outremer 5X, both the main and the trav go through clutches. These are usually open and the sheet is on the self-tailer (yes, I know). If we had a clutch which could reliably (and even remotely / automatically) open, that would be a huge improvement; solve the self-tailer issue and free up a winch or two. On the other hand; dumping the main to the shrouds will not make a big difference downwind... Our philosophy is to be very conservative with the main and somewhat more aggressive with foresails, which are quite easily dumped/furled.
  10. caption contest

    Look at the bright side; the bridgedeck slamming stopped completely.
  11. Do dolphins bow-ride catamarans?

    Dolphins not only ride a catamarans bow wave, they ride the bows and fight for it: https://youtu.be/xnSzWS7-wfo Not sure if they wanted to scratch off parasites, get some of our antifouling or were simply horny....
  12. Capsized 57' Catamaran rescued

    Wow. Truly a game changer. Thanks for the info.
  13. Capsized 57' Catamaran rescued

    It's perfectly safe to go inside and prepare dinner in 20-25kn of wind on a big cruising cat. But only 99% of the time... I suspect today's weather models could tell us quite reliably when and where the 1% could occur. They could also forecast where the 0.001% "flip any boat even without sails" occur, so we could route around. I don't think the GFS models 'Gust' forecast is sufficient for this purpose, though. Any (non-armchair) meteorologist here to comment? Or implement... For those who think they will never flip; have a quick look at this: https://youtu.be/Z5vA4QvaH1Q?t=29 ... and that wasn't even a really bad one...
  14. New cruising multis

    For most of us, "sometimes" is not good enough to spend a few hundred thousand $$$ and lots of time and love on... Fair enough, but you already sail a very high quality, excellent sailing multihull design. Most people dont. Except for the transom (with rudder) falling off and the main beam breaking, it is a high quality, excellent design...
  15. New cruising multis

    For most of us, "sometimes" is not good enough to spend a few hundred thousand $$$ and lots of time and love on...