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  1. It doesn't sound very new... FLEX has been around for a long time and they used to make an aramid version with tafetas. So the technology is proven. I've bought 2 FLEX sails and have been very happy with both - excellent value for performance. Dyneema is slippery and maybe presents some adhesive challenges, but otherwise DP have this perfected. It shouldn't be a lot more expensive than a good dacron sail, and with good engineering around the clew patches and careful attention to detail to try to avoid hard hinge lines in the film, it'll be good for a lot of miles.
  2. I support the YCC concept and am hugely impressed with the success that Young American have achieved in recent years. But there is little chatter here about the fact that two of these YCC boats ran their boats hard aground in this race. These programs have a duty to ensure that the crews they put out are responsible and that basic principles of good seamanship are always maintained. Else we're going to have a major tragedy as these youths push harder and harder in other-people's-boats. A year or so ago I had my heart in my mouth as I witnessed the YA team (then on High Noon) repeatedly short tack that boat, at pretty good speed, into shallows off a rocky stretch of beach strewn with rocks that weren't going to be giving second chances. They got away with it that day. During last years ALIR they blew out their code zero because they were pushing it too hard and then had someone getting tossed around up the rig for the next 20minutes unraveling the mess. Spectacular, yes. Dangerous, yes. Expensive, yes. In this race they put their J/105 on the shoal so hard that they needed assistance to get off. Thats a pattern of risk taking that is inappropriate for a YCC team and needs to be arrested by those in charge of the program if they are to maintain the respect of their competition and avoid a tragedy. The USMMA team on Bandera also somehow managed to find a spot where draft exceeded depth. Thats the merchant marine academy's finest. No joke. At least they managed to rescue themselves. But I do wonder if they told their Commandant? Is it just a cooincidence that these two boats are both YCC competitors? Or are the YCC sailors uncaring since they aren't paying the bills or feeling any material consequences? Is there too much youthful bravado that needs to be checked? But most importantly, are the donors, trustees and sponsors just going to keep putting broken boats back together again without demanding change? If they do, something is wrong. I hope these groundings will bring these programs back down to earth. Pun intended.
  3. THat would be fine. Yeah, it'd also be massive expensive overkill in this case. The loads on a Sabre 34-2 are going to be less than 25% those on an xp44. 15k break load is irrelevant anyway - unless you are using some truly massive hardware every block in that system will crush its bearings and explode long before the dyneema lets go. A harken high-load 75 has only 3k (lbs) working load. if you've ever winched someone up the rig, thats what 80kg or 180lbs of load feels like. Most normal recreational sailors would struggle to hoist a sumo wrestler up the rig at all - even with a winch they'd be sweating bullets and taking a break before they got much past the gooseneck. Think about that for a second: These loads are considerably less than that in all but the wildest circumstances. People forget how strong modern lines are. Blocks are the weaknesses in all these systems. Look for SWL on hardware of at least 1200lbs and go sailing.
  4. The end of the blue oval is the end of an era. http://hood-sails.com/2017/07/a-message-from-hood-sailmakers-ceo-rob-macmillan/
  5. May and June minutes have been posted.
  6. Garmin bought Nexus - which was great stuff. Their sailing instrumentation now bears more than a passing resemblance to the old Nexus gear. Its all thoroughly updated but parts of the DNA are still clearly evident.... Nexus used to occupy a pretty nice niche between "cheap" Raymarine instrumentation and expensive systems from B&G, NKE and Ockam. It was my view that for just a few beans more than a basic Raymarine system you got 80% of the accuracy/calibration options that a 10x more expensive B&G system offered. I've looked at Garmin at shows and feel it still takes the best of that Nexus world while also drawing from their very refined charting/mfd/sonar/radar capabilities and offers a slick solution. So I don't think Garmin is bad advice at all, but a lot will come down to budget and personal preference.
  7. It was a great race. Went by quicker than anticipated, had the tide with us in both directions which is definitely a first, did a ton of sail changes, but made one lousy strategy call and consequently stopped moving for about five hours, and only just finished before sunrise. But not a single thing to complain about. You win some and you lose some. You learn more from the latter.
  8. You could not be more wrong Grinder. I don't know who that sock is, but he's hit the nail on the head.
  9. Surely wind shear affects us all reasonably equally - its not going to single LR out for extra-special-uber-shear. Sure, it varies like puffs and current eddies vary a little across the course but the numbers quoted are pretty large and were presumably repeatable to be worthy of the posting. Those saying this is all shear, please explain (a) why the boat wasn't obviously pinched on one tack and fat on the other (the telltale observations); and (b) why the other boats weren't equally affected. Or, LionessRacing, was it not relative to other boats, but only relative to sailing norms (AWA, windex, polars etc)?
  10. AYC sent a participant survey out to owners today. A nice touch and encouraging for the future.
  11. Its not free. It was paid for as part of the entry "package" - unwritten but come to be traditional. As a paying entrant, it was a nice touch... Did you pay an entry or are you an AYC member/volunteer?
  12. You keep making reference to this perceived disparity between you and the 36.7s in particular. So yeah - here we go: You're not dinged 3s/m for no apparent reason. To the contrary: The YRALIS base rating (69) is more favorable than either the PHRF-NE or ECSA rating (66), but both the latter bodies give you positive adjustments for no apparent reason: PHRF-NE +6 for a prop (what's not standard about a saildrive and a feathering prop on the C30-2?) and ECSA +7 for a jib size that is <110% LP even though the boat was never designed for a larger overlapper. Perhaps you'd care to defend these bizarre adjustments in PHRF NE and ECSA since you're happy to complain about the rather more transparent and logical YRALIS rating which says your boats a pretty normal C30-2. It is, isn't it? And the 36.7s aren't +6 or +9 s/m slower than the ones you race against in Mass Bay either. Agora seems to be the only one in your home district and it rates 75 because its base rating (78) is adjusted down -3 for an oversized spinnaker. YRALIS based 36.7s also have a 78 base rating for distance racing and an 81 base rating for W/L. So at BIRW - which will use the W/L rating I expect - they'll be a whole 3s/m slower than they would be in PHRF-NE when you factor in the standard (smaller) OD sized spinnakers that they all use. So of the 9 - 12s/m you claim, its actually 3, and thats including me just turning a blind eye to the whole prop +6 nonsense.
  13. There's another problem with ORC though... breaking below 40ft. I'd be tempted into ORC (as I would IRC) but around here I'd be by far the smallest slowest boat on the course which means that (a) no matter how well we start and sail we're gonna be eating dirty air for at least the for half of the first beat which makes it real hard to be competitive, and ( no-one else in the fleet is gonna thank us for being there waiting around while we slow the whole proceeding down... I commend Ryley... looks like he's gone for it at BIRW. Not sure how well he's gonna fair in that crowd though. But its an admirable attempt to kick start a move for smaller boat participation in that division. If a few more 30-36 footers would step up I'd try to persuade our fleet to leave PHRF and move into ORC.
  14. you forgotte kegg beere ist allwayes foamey And warmAnd empty Gee, thanks for complaining so loudly. The OA decided to forgo the keg altogether now bu the looks of things. On Sat we thought that might have been done to not compete with the Leukemia Cup promotional event, but then it was missing again on Sunday. What the...? Not sure how thats going to help participation? American YC - if you're reading this - bring back the Keg! Some of us aren't so unappreciative. Good job on RC this weekend too.
  15. Gull, It was protested and changed after event but only changed the results of races 1 and 5 so they probably didn't bother changing the scoring system It was an honest mistake by the owners who were told by sailmaker material didn't matter. So they sailed with smaller jibs and still kicked ass. They have been successful with that boat under every rating system around NE the past 5 summers CTD, are you saying their rating was changed just for BBR? Because their cert for 2016 stayed at 78, and they had 2 spins declared on that one as well. To your other point, they're good sailors, they run a multi-boat program, and 6 seconds isn't going to change much for them. That said, either PHRF-NE is gonna follow their bylaws or they won't. half the fun is guessing which and when Honest mistake? I struggle to buy that. Its a lame excuse. To sign the cert, and the owner clearly applied for and signed off on the cert when the clarifying language is right there next to the box to check for the adjustment. Trust a sailmaker? Well i guess that sailmaker is an idiot then - logos clearly visible in the pics - i hope they got a roasting from the owner. But anyone racing - and certainly the boats winning - have zero excuses for not being compliant. Changing the results/scoring afterwards is hardly the point - if they know they weren't compliant with their rating then the sporting thing to do is retire and make 100% certain that they are legal next time they show up to race. And it sounds like their rating didn't change and there is still some question over the number of spinnakers they have onboard. Is that several honest mistakes or an owner (who it sounds like is good enough to win without this nonsense) trying the game the system? You decide.