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  1. Yes, indeed. But the non-spinnaker TCF is the same, save for the spinnaker parts of the rating. So LP specifically, is the same, whether sailing with or without spinnakers. The OP wants to change things up elsewhere in the certificate. The boat already has a non-spin rating, based on the same sailplan. The owner wants a non-spin rating based on a different sailplan. IRC doesn’t allow that. Nowhere but PHRF SoCal permits that.
  2. Indeed. You are right. Article 6.7 https://www.phrfsocal.org/wp-content/uploads/Rules/lr.pdf
  3. Not true. Prove me wrong. Multiple concurrently valid certificates, issued by the same rating authority, for the same boat in different configurations. And we know about crewed/doublehanded certs - we’re not talking about that. Every new certificate replaces the one before it. Only one is ever valid at a particular time.
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    Most egregious cheats?

    Cossutti. https://www.cossutti.it/en/portfolio-item/nautilus-nm-38-38s/
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    Most egregious cheats?

    So did the owner actually serve a ban? From what I can see, they got DSQ from the event but that was it. They seemingly destroyed the evidence, because after the event the boat was remeasured and floated in on totally different lines and weighed a LOT less... and then some time later some pictures showed up purportedly showing the water tanks below and behind the wheel well before and after removal. But I cannot see a record of the owner or anyone involved serving a ban. Did the Italian Sailing Federation do anything? He’s coming to Newport for the IRC/ORC worlds later this year. Different boat, same name. Scugnizza, Vincenzo di Blasio.
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    Given that there is no spinnaker set in the picture on the FP, why could it not be argued that the outrigger in question is a whisker pole and therefore allowed by rule 50.3 (c)? It is attached to the foremost mast, and only one is in use, so it would seem to comply with rule 50.2.
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    Quantum Sails question

    Why do you even want it anymore? If the seller is misrepresenting what it is so terribly badly, why do you have any confidence that its going to be the right size or of better condition than whatever it is you are replacing? Its got essentially no value given the lack of a credible description. You are bidding against bargain hunters who price sails in the few-hundred dollar range. If the seller is convinced this was $6k when new then s/he is unlikely to come down to a number where this makes any sort of sense for a second-hand sail buyer who knows what he/she is buying. You might elect take a punt on it if the seller agrees to sell for a few hundred bucks but don’t buy even at that price if you can’t afford to be very disappointed.
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    My Song fell off a cargo?!

    AIS shows the Paris tug entering Palma now. Already inside the main breakwater?
  9. Whats going on with that genoa foot? Looks like a lot of unsupported foot round, but for the rigidity of the reinforcement patches. Why not just lower the clew a little?
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    Bowsprit Retro-fit (in-hull)

    GMT Composites (advertiser on this site) say that they make thru-hull sprit kits. http://www.gmtcomposites.com/files/Asymmetric-Sprits Brochure.pdf
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    Yeah he did it

    All the VOR boats used two mains this time around. Brunel retired their first mainsail after the HK stopover, and most of the others in Itajai.
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    ORR in Long Island

    So of those boats who used to race under IRC but are no more (hopefully a reasonable description of "dead"), what rule are the boats/owners racing under this year? Give us some examples. And if there was a way to get them back to a common rule, and attract interest from the next group down - the 32-40footers - which rule do you think would best achieve that?
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    ORR in Long Island

    I disagree with that. It has a place for Catalinas and cruisers. But the minute you are "optimizing" for a PHRF rule I think that should be a sign that you're in the wrong division. PHRF racers should be forced to race with an anchor hanging from the bow and a Bimini installed as a condition of entry. That would get the racers out of PHRF and into a proper rating rule. But since nearly every boat under 40ft, irrespective of how racy a design or how serious the sailors, has little option than to race PHRF forces these issues into the spotlight. Lots of people are taking PHRF way too seriously.
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    ORR in Long Island

    While you can potentially make that argument today, you certainly couldn't make that argument at the time they started the venture. They just wanted to be in control and didn't like not being on the inside of IRC secret circle. I'd strongly dispute that IRC is dead today too. The RORC have a pretty good argument going with ORC over who has the most certificates issued... And they both have thousands more certificates issued than ORR. There is simply no way ORR is going to become an internationally successful rule against those two. And to persist with it here in North America marginalizes North American sailing. Maybe just for once we could do something the same way as the rest of the world does it?
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    ORR in Long Island

    Agree. Don't misunderstand and take me for an ORR fanboy. But a move to any of the more scientific rating rules would be step forward over the PHRF nonsense. Why the clubs that created ORR thought IRC or ORC weren't good enough I don't understand. Too many type A personalities all wanting to be in control is my guess. The sailing world needs to pick a system and work with it. IRC and ORC are at least talking now and had a joint World Championships this year. ORR isn't going to survive against those heavyweights. Getting back on topic, for LIS to adopt ORR over IRC would be crazy. If the NYYC and the NE movers and shakers want to do some proper leadership for the good of the sport then they'll stick with IRC until the time is right to move to ORC which looks somewhat inevitable eventually. In the meantime they can encourage IRC adoption for serious racers in the sub-40ft size ranges and put the cruisers back in charge of PHRF.