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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  

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  1. There are classes that allow pros and there are classes that don't. If you don't want to race against people that pay their crew, pick a boat that doesn't allow it. I've spent most of my sailing career with the oldest hull and some of the oldest sails on the start line. Needless to say I'm not gearing up to buy a Melges 20. That doesn't mean I see any reason to hate on it. I could see getting up in arms when a class is changing the rules from one type to the other, but the Melges 20 was always going to allow pay-to-win. The flip side of this is - good for the pros. Isn't it awesome that they get to sail all year round? I don't want to hate on that at all. Sounds great, I wish more people had the opportunity to do what they love. Most of the ski bums I'm friends with clean toilets so they can ski everyday, imagine getting paid to actually do the sport itself! I really don't think being a pro sailor is the pathway to becoming rich yourself, and I bet the average owner of any boat over 30 feet makes more than 99% of the "pros" out there. The day rate is misleading. Pro sailors get paid like wedding photographers. There are only so many events a year, so the key driver of their rate is the opportunity cost of getting them to any one particular event. If they work 24 events a year, they are probably aiming to make at $3-4k per event. Arguing against pro sailing is basically saying you would rather the rich guys took their money and spent it on something other than sailing and pro sailors should go get some job they don't like as much. What does that gain our sport?