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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

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  1. Melges 40 - Ho Lee Fuk

    It won't be Girls on Film anymore... She took a tumble off her cradle in Storm Doris in the Netherlands. *and there is NO chance that a C40 will beat here in a WL. Strange they had already begun a new build......... before that..
  2. Ever been to Malaysia.. Reporting to the Police will do nothing. Well except maybe you have to pay the Police to get your stuff back.. probably more than the cost to re-purchase.And you know this because presumably because this was your experience. And yes I have been to Malaysia. Lived and worked there. KL if different. But in the outer regions... No hope. Ive also worked near the location in question.
  3. Ever been to Malaysia.. Reporting to the Police will do nothing. Well except maybe you have to pay the Police to get your stuff back.. probably more than the cost to re-purchase.
  4. invisible hand

    No It wasnt, you are correct, But it was re- engineered a lot stronger. Other similar era boats got a lot of Bow delam on deliveries etc. Balsa definitely ended going back in.
  5. Melges 40 - Ho Lee Fuk

    Brits? I don't think it's Brits. The seriously wealthy don't much like OD. Huhwhat? Every billionaire in the sport is in one-design. Torborn just won the RC44 worlds, Larry did it a few years back. The Devos' spent half a decade in the Melges 32, (which they said was way more fun than their handicap racing boat) before getting into the Marstrom 32, and several kings and princes have been or are in the GC32, M32, Farr 40, or TP52, which has such a narrow box that it's pretty close to OD. Even those with offshore handicap boats have tended to race one-design for their fun. See Robertissima for instance, or Zensstrom, or Goranson - all winners of major RORC races in their 'big boats', but plenty active in their other 52/44/32 fleets. The pom super wealthy are perhaps different? I'm sure they could have designed something faster than this...too much wetted surface. Like what, for example? I can't come up with a faster production 40-footer...you know a secret? I don't know, I'm no designer, but the boat should have less hull in the water downwind. Look at the Melges 32 (I hope Scot doesn't read this) it's a very nice boat, but it could be better, as good as the boat it was inspired by (the Melges 24)...I'm not saying that there's a better 40 out there...all I'm saying is that the Melges 40 should have been better than it is...its lines aren't just radical enough. Thank you for your in depth Visual CFD and FEA Analysis. Please post your final VPP outputs from your many visual studies and computations. Please also contact Doug Lord as he needs your help on his Foiling Tri. Team France also require your help for the up and coming Cup. Less than 100 days, They cant waste anytime on slow computers, your brain power is just what they need.
  6. Melges 40 - Ho Lee Fuk

    i like..... Why? It is literally doing nothing that any other 40 foot buoy boat can do? They're really not going all that quick off the breeze either. That apparent speed is from a camera angle trick done by holding the camera close to the water to exaggerate speed. so it really only cost 14K for the 43K price tag on sails? welcome to north. I agree $43k isnt right. But $14k.... What drugs do they have in the Philippines we don't have here...
  7. Navtec finished?

    The Universe doesn't revolve around 'merica.. Just so you know.. All as you need do is look at GDP rankings to understand how important the health of the US economy is to a recreational activity like sailing. It is not a matter of how you feel about the US, it is a matter of how the American dollars fuels the world economy. United States 18,561.934 24.7 1 China 11,391.619 15.1 2 Japan 4,730.300 6.29 3 Germany 3,494.898 4.65 4 United Kingdom 2,649.893 3.52 5 France 2,488.284 3.31 6 India 2,250.987 2.99 7 Italy 1,852.499 2.46 8 Brazil 1,769.601 2.35 9 Canada 1,532.343 2.04 10 The problem with statistics is they are just that. The US dollar yes, but look where a lot (maybe most) of the items we rely on are made, engineered etc etc. Just because some knobs on Wall street convinced a bunch of wealthy blokes to buy profitable companies and siphon the cash back into the US, doesn't mean we rely on the US. It means we have been forced to indirectly fund a place that likes to think it is the center of the universe. It's pretty easy to control markets when just keep printing cash and racking up the worlds largest debt..... Cars - Asia (I think my Mercedes was actually made in South Africa) Whitegoods - Asia Oil - Middle east/other places (We even have our own Oil rigs believe it or not!) Food - Global, mainly local Cell Phones - Asia Your computer - Asia Your Office desk - probably Mexico. Your Office and house cleaner - Probably Mexico I cant think of one thing I use in my day to day, or purchase, that is made in the US.. Maybe Californian Oranges when ours are out of season... Oh and Netflix.. oh and google, those guys are smart. Ok Grumpus. In 2015, U.S. net imports (imports minus exports) of petroleum from foreign countries were equal to about 24% of U.S. petroleum consumption, the lowest level since 1970. The U.S. is the second largest manufacturer of cars in the world, after China. FAKTS! if boasting about oil and how many cars you make is the measure of greatness then you still arent #1.. Not even close when it comes to manufacturing. In 16 years, your Car manufacturing has had Zero growth. And china has smashed you out of the park. Not to mention you guys spell words wrong...
  8. Navtec finished?

    The Universe doesn't revolve around 'merica.. Just so you know.. All as you need do is look at GDP rankings to understand how important the health of the US economy is to a recreational activity like sailing. It is not a matter of how you feel about the US, it is a matter of how the American dollars fuels the world economy. United States 18,561.934 24.7 1 China 11,391.619 15.1 2 Japan 4,730.300 6.29 3 Germany 3,494.898 4.65 4 United Kingdom 2,649.893 3.52 5 France 2,488.284 3.31 6 India 2,250.987 2.99 7 Italy 1,852.499 2.46 8 Brazil 1,769.601 2.35 9 Canada 1,532.343 2.04 10 The problem with statistics is they are just that. The US dollar yes, but look where a lot (maybe most) of the items we rely on are made, engineered etc etc. Just because some knobs on Wall street convinced a bunch of wealthy blokes to buy profitable companies and siphon the cash back into the US, doesn't mean we rely on the US. It means we have been forced to indirectly fund a place that likes to think it is the center of the universe. It's pretty easy to control markets when just keep printing cash and racking up the worlds largest debt..... Cars - Asia (I think my Mercedes was actually made in South Africa) Whitegoods - Asia Oil - Middle east/other places (We even have our own Oil rigs believe it or not!) Food - Global, mainly local Cell Phones - Asia Your computer - Asia Your Office desk - probably Mexico. Your Office and house cleaner - Probably Mexico I cant think of one thing I use in my day to day, or purchase, that is made in the US.. Maybe Californian Oranges when ours are out of season... Oh and Netflix.. oh and google, those guys are smart.
  9. Navtec finished?

    The Universe doesn't revolve around 'merica.. Just so you know..
  10. invisible hand

    Ichi Ban has had so many mods done, its structure would be nothing like when it was on the Med, All the Offshore 52's in AUS have had work done. Our boat has had the keel floor strengthened, Removal of Nomex in the bow section under the waterline (replace with high density foam and End grain balsa), A few compression posts down the back, Modified transom, a metric shit tonne of Uni's added to bulk heads for higher forestay loads, Rig mods, Carbon Rigging etc etc etc The list goes on. And this is an 06/07 boat before the "light weight" boats started popping up. The biggest thing with a TP offshore now is waterproofing, Bulb/keel package and STL. New boats with more form stability can carry a taller rig, older ones cant, but we also don't need it in light air given the lower wetted surface area. This new boat should probably tick all the boxes, should the hull form carry the extra structure and Offshore weight. The basic parameters look right.
  11. What's happened to the C&C 30?

    Maybe, but they have an OD fleet so not needed
  12. What's happened to the C&C 30?

    I am not sure the CC30 is the cool boat. Yes I have sailed it, and it was a fun 30 footer. But, it also has its downfalls such as coming out over weight. Dollar for Dollar, there may be better options. The new G-Force 32 is around the same price point. They don't list weight yet, but it may be the better option. The MC31 could be as well if someone imports one to the states. Best bang for your buck right now in the 30 range is a used Melges 32. Just go ask the ED. MC31... Serious? better do some research on that one... Melges 32 is limited to W/L. They don't carry safety gear weight very well, cant go upwind in waves or Carry reaching sails with out breaking stuff. Been there, done that. Got the t-Shirt. Is there 10 G-Force 32's sailing on one start line anywhere? What happened to the mc31? A few showed up in Aus, and I haven't heard a word since Ill let that one slide through to the keeper. Look at Geelong Festival of sails results in the Super 11 fleet.
  13. 52 SUPER SERIES

    You know a lot for a guy who grew up sailing j30's.....
  14. What's happened to the C&C 30?

    I am not sure the CC30 is the cool boat. Yes I have sailed it, and it was a fun 30 footer. But, it also has its downfalls such as coming out over weight. Dollar for Dollar, there may be better options. The new G-Force 32 is around the same price point. They don't list weight yet, but it may be the better option. The MC31 could be as well if someone imports one to the states. Best bang for your buck right now in the 30 range is a used Melges 32. Just go ask the ED. MC31... Serious? better do some research on that one... Melges 32 is limited to W/L. They don't carry safety gear weight very well, cant go upwind in waves or Carry reaching sails with out breaking stuff. Been there, done that. Got the t-Shirt. Is there 10 G-Force 32's sailing on one start line anywhere?
  15. IRC Revalidations 2017--Increases?

    Your interpretation is incorrect. There were some nasty looking and "grey area" sails being pushed as Spinnakers. Ie Flappy extra bit of positive luff with a structural Cable straight line Head to tack, Tack cut backs of 2+meters to reduce foot length, therefor midgirth for the same Luff Cable length, hoist and sheeting location. If you have a sail in the "spirit" of the rules, you are fine. If you tried to work a loop hole, time to buy a new sail that complies.