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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Lake Erie Anarchy Part 2

    sorry, I think I'll take my talents elsewhere... but, I hope y'all have a fun race! ...what about some J105 participation? More T-10's? Melges32s? jammers? I don't think the T10s are against it, but it is not on the calendar as a counter this year. Their distance race participation is down from a few years ago (unless you count some of the "distance" events like Princess Pat & the Nash), but I think if you talk to them and get on their radar you might see more participation next year.
  2. Melges 40

    I'm not positive. I've only been on one a couple-a-two-three times...but I'm pretty sure Buddy Boats already has a high performance vessel in the 40 foot range (and for less than 1/3 the cost)...
  3. Gary W Mull

    Is that a "Swampfire" copy? I loved those extreme stinger sterns Mull did - they may torture the water but they sure LOOK racy. If it's a Swampfire copy then I helped build a '76'77 version of that 3/4 tonner. But it doesn't seem to have enough tumblehome - hmmm. And sailing the boat with a fender out has zero class. A little respect please! Gary was famous for overall short waterlines for IOR uses and "walk down" transoms. Ha that is the sailing club's Pirate Day. Class goes out the door in favor of rum, rum, and some pants-free sailing. That also explains why the boat looks like a bunch of Haitian refugees.
  4. Lake Erie Anarchy Part 2

    Ah, I love insults from someone who doesn't even know what is going on. The allegations allege the class didn't even follow its own rules when revoking the cert allowing the plaintiff to whine he was treated unfairly. Then you've also got the failure to change any class rules saying he *couldn't* make those changes. And speaking of T10 bitchfests who's gonna start whining about the 10s beating everyone? Did they change their start to DFL to prevent that?
  5. Lake Erie Anarchy Part 2

    Wow. Care to elaborate? If you're gonna stir that shitpot make sure you get it nice and frothy. Shit pot? Not even trying to stir it. It's outlined in Plaintiff's Allegations #33 through #40. Yes, they may be allegations, but if such ballots were actually mailed out it would be *very* easy to produce. And production of said ballots would significantly undermine your argument that the rules were not followed and the board maliciously treated you unfairly. Maybe it's hindsight, but if you're dealing with someone who knows the rules inside & out & the loopholes available...wouldn't you be almost painfully careful to follow every rule? Thanks for the sole explanation. For some reason I had not linked the two together (i.e. remove the bunk bulkhead & attach the sole). Now where I think the overall conclusion is wrong is the combination of the bunk bulkheads plus the stanchion gussets. I agree the gussets are probably a good idea in terms of durability & safety. However, in concert with the bunk on hull 217 I find it hard to believe that does not give the boat an advantage in overall stiffness (unless the deck is rotten &/or Swiss cheese).
  6. Gary W Mull

    I sailed on a Mull 34 at Wisconsin. I think it's always been called "Soma" and used to be out of Chicago. It's more popularly known in Wisconsin as "the cow boat."
  7. Lake Erie Anarchy Part 2

    I never said that nor have I tried to imply that. My take is that these modifications *do* make the boat stiffer & while the rules may not have explicitly stated these mods were verboten the overall structure aims to make a fair, level playing field. It looks like the board did a pretty pathetic job of following their own rules & modifying the rules such that these mods are explicitly noted. In terms of fleet, this lawsuit could sink a pretty fun, competitive fleet that isn't outrageously expensive for younger people. The amount of money, time & effort already put into all these boats puts their long term position on shaky ground - when do you say "the hell with it" and just not put a new deck on or fix (fill in the structural issue). This lawsuit moves that point where people say, "Nah, I'll buy ______ instead" that much closer. Sad.
  8. Lake Erie Anarchy Part 2

    Basic engineering principles lead me to disagree with several of the Chief Measurer's conclusions. The one I'm struggling the most to understand is why a non-structural floor is such a big deal?
  9. Lake Erie Anarchy Part 2

    I might have missed something here...but at the end of the day very few of us make a living doing this. And I'm not aware of any purse for winning NAC's. So aside from what appears to be a very fragile ego, I can't see any real positives coming from this lawsuit that couldn't have been handled through class rules clarifications - including a defined way of handling measuring the measurer's boats.
  10. Lake Erie Anarchy Part 2

    There were mods to one T10 that were not expressly forbidden. The plaintiff is suing the Board, chief measurer, and a few others (including the person who raised the initial concern) for damages exceeding $25k in two separate areas. It appears the bylaws were not followed properly to revoke the certificate, but seeing as the origin of the certificate may be in question (since the at-the-time Chief Measurer owned said certificate) I'm not sure how the legal ramifications will shake down. The pictures, sadly, are not in the report, which would really help clarify just how much some of these mods would help stiffen the hull. In the bigger picture, this lawsuit sends a seemingly chilling message to those who volunteer to serve their fleet - Don't stick your neck out to help your fleet & the sport since you might face some hefty legal bills.
  11. Lake Erie Anarchy Part 2

    So the class warfare section on the front page sure is...interesting...especially claims 101 & 107... http://sailinganarchy.com/2013/07/30/class-warfare/
  12. Lake Erie Anarchy Part 2

    The locals are the ones who have to try & justify that shiny new boat they really don't need...
  13. Lake Erie Anarchy Part 2

    Get on the T10 calendar. They have at least 3 if not 4 boats religiously do distance racing and something local that doesn't conflict with CRW would likely catch their eye. The 10s are the ones who got the Indigo run backward (Ogidni) to avoid all the extra transporting. As for lacking participation...I can second (or 3rd or 4th) what was echoed above. I'm 33 and would love to own a boat. Outside of a J22 or a Jet or something in that size range I simply can't afford it. Sure, I could afford the upfront cost of a T10...but I simply wouldn't be competitive - even with a co-owner. And looking at the sporties, I see why the Viper is so popular. The J/70 is likely going to take over that range, but until there are reasonably priced used ones not too many 30 somethings can pony up the $50K and associated costs.
  14. Lake Erie Anarchy Part 2

    You should be able to find a decent rate at a downtown hotel (assuming no Indians games). Do NOT stay at the Days Inn in Lakewood (off Clifton near W 117th). Shit hole are the two words that come to mind...(read the Yelp reviews for some entertainment if you want more details) Unfortunately I can't think of any hotels not in downtown that are close. The place has got some great history, though. Remember 1997... Byline: Bloomberg News Jose Mesa is facing criminal charges and he's glad to get to Florida to get away from them for a while. Mesa, the Cleveland Indians' closer, faces a March 31 trial on charges that he raped a woman on Dec. 22 in a Lakewood, Ohio, hotel. He faces a three- to 10-year prison term if convicted. Oh. Wow. Didn't know that. Not a native Clevelander. I vaguely recall the Jose Mesa thing but I will now think of him every time I drive by there...