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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
    • B.J. Porter

      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.


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  1. As the owner of a boat that does not point high, I would advise starting a bit further down the line. Starting at the boat is going to mean either someone is going to luff you to a stop or you are going to have to bail out on port tack whether you want to or not. It's an untenable position. The other guy called "barging" because he was annoyed that you were in his way. If you were clear ahead when you passed the boat, you weren't barging (which word is not in the RRS, I believe.) However, as discussed at length above, you may have needed to hold higher after he gained an overlap to leeward.
  2. Let's go step by step... 1400 lb cast iron at 491lb/cu ft is 1400/491 = 2.85 cu ft, 2.85 cu ft of seawater at 64 lb/cu ft = 2.85* 64 = 169 lbs. Hard to know what the righting arm would be. Beam is just less than 8 1/2 feet.
  3. On the high AR keels, I agree, though I don't think the effect is negligible. OTOH, a Westerly Centaur will pop a keel out at a lower angle of heel and with more volume.
  4. On the Bolger Chebacco, the consensus is to cut the mizzen completely flat and use it only for balance, not for drive.
  5. I agree, but the one difference is the increase in RM at high angles of heel when a keel comes out of the water. A little extra RM in knockdown never hurt anyone. (Well, it's a complicated world. Maybe there was, somewhere, sometime. But odds are, it's a good thing.)
  6. Tandem keel? Looks like a lot of wetter surface to me.
  7. Keep in mind, most of the 3.7% is lost upwind, so the upwind loss is a very noticeable 7%.
  8. The Hunter Vision is/was a boat with an unstayed mast and cat-sloop sail proportions. The mast was very fat at the bottom, thin and limber at the top. The reviewers I read were not clearly not familiar with this sort of rig and didn't know what to make of it. On the one hand, they said that the top of the sail would blow off and depower the rig in a gust, and on the other hand they said that it would allow the sail to twist and increase weather helm. It went against everything they'd been taught to like in a rig. I liked the idea for it's simplicity, but even at the bottom of the barrel level at which I race, it wouldn't do.
  9. Assuming the "5 Kt" boat sails 45 deg TWA upwind, and 30 deg (150 if you prefer) TWA downwind, he will actually have to sail at about 6.4 knots. That's getting along pretty well for a lot of boats.
  10. I went looking for a picture of a home-built Dudley Dix boat to illustrate Bob's point, and there are some, but I found this more interesting. Anyone have any questions about the pattern of the plating? The builder bit off more than he could chew, I suspect.
  11. A PHRF boat might average 5 kts. or 720 sec/nm. So 1% is 7.2 seconds. (Remember the upwind leg is the rhumb line distance, not the distance sailed, so actual speed is higher.)
  12. Pano, I totally agree that a modern twin-keeler would be an interesting addition to the American market. I've spent some time wondering what kind of event could trigger that happening. I think it would require a Gambare or Australia 2 event, but we don't have the Admiral's Cup, or SORC, or the same sort of America's Cup. I suppose a TransPac win could do it, but it would have to be a line honors sort of victory, which implies a big boat, which seems unlikely. It's unreasonable, of course, to require a racing provenance for a cruising innovation, but that's the real world. We have heard here in this thread the concern about going aground with a wing keel, I think that could also be a factor with the twin keels. I think I'd rather risk my 4' (at low tide) channel with a single keel. (I was aground there once on a friend's T33 with Scheel keel. No worries.) And the skinny blades look vulnerable whether they actually are or not.
  13. Not a company pension. More like Social Security, except I think in Canada, benefits are not tied as tightly to earnings. And maybe a Native American something or other.